Targett & Ward-Prowse named in England U21 Euro squad

[Saint IQ]

Agree with Owen Hargreaves why has he gone 4-4-2? Swear he was playing 4-2-3-1 through qualifying and although teams were weak it was working.

[Lets B Avenue]

Agree with Owen Hargreaves why has he gone 4-4-2? Swear he was playing 4-2-3-1 through qualifying and although teams were weak it was working.

 

Because Danny Ings has signed for Liverpool and its written in his contract that he has to play for England in every game.

[The9]

Lingard looks decent and has done all tournament, not impressed with many of the others, Kane included.

[Batman]

another poor show by england in a competition after qualifying....sounds familiar

[Joe Kirkup]

Because Danny Ings has signed for Liverpool and its written in his contract that he has to play for England in every game.

Ings hasn't even had a training session with Liverpool and Brenda is already working her magic on him :-)

[Saint IQ]

The amount of corners and freekicks they've had and the best dead ball specialist in the squad is on the bench...

[stevewanyamasfcs]

Sign him up!!

[mulletsaint]

Been poor defensively and the two defensive mids have given the ball away too many times.

[svetigpung]

embarrassing evening. just shows our complete lack of creativity. we can't even pass the ball properly.

[Mr Saints]

Half this team won't make it in the Prem. So dull.

[Saint IQ]

They should be drawing 3-3 to be fair shooting/finishing has been horrendous

[suewhistle]

Sounds like a game it's better not to have been involved in.

[John Boy Saint]

Team managed by an international defender and we defend like each player was press ganged as they stumbled out of a pub.

 

Ronald - defender we defend MoPo - defender and we defended.

 

Watched one of these under 21 game a while back and JWP must have come off the pitch with a crick in his neck as every time he went to get the ball off the keeper to build up the play............. Hoooof keeper launched yet another ball long over his head.

 

Still James and Matty can now buzz off on their Holibobs.

[hasper57saint]

I recently went to a game at Saint Mary's and a youngster named Kane ,just like tonight, wasn't able!!!!

[Badger]

They've followed the England template here,talk big about winning it before it starts, then underperform, elimination and come home early.This should stand them in good stead for future tournaments at senior level in years to come.

 

And lets not forget Southgate is often suggested as being fast tracked into the England job.

[sotonist]

And lets not forget Southgate is often suggested as being fast tracked into the England job.

 

let's fast track him in and out while we've not got an england squad worth having a good manager for.

[Mr Saints]

I bet Targett, Hughes, JWP, Afobe and Loftus-Cheek make it in the premier league in the next few years. Shame none of them started really. But it was too late the moment southgate started changing it all round every game. English tournament syndrome it seems, never start a major match with a settled team. Ever.

 

Yep the team selection was dreadful. The pairing of Caskey and Chalobah has Championship written all over it from what I've seen.

[stpedro]

very easy to blame the manager - this seems to be the default position. The players in that team are very average - only Kane is near the full squad, (partly due to a dearth of good strikers) very very few of them are regulars for their team or are playing in the Championship (an exciting but poor footballing league in the tactical and technical sense), none are able to take a game by the scruff of the neck and win it and you can question the hunger given the pay a lot of them get and what they get told by the media. There is a big problem with the English mindset in tournament football as well, far too negative and scared to perform - this is becoming a cultural issue, but historically we are not a strong tournament side - one fluke in 1966 (at home, helped by officiating) cannot compare with many nations. Our premier league football is only good because of money and foreign players, not because of anything 'English' about it. As soon as English players do what every other nationality does and go and play abroad to learn as both players and men, they better.

[lickierambert]

very easy to blame the manager - this seems to be the default position. The players in that team are very average - only Kane is near the full squad, (partly due to a dearth of good strikers) very very few of them are regulars for their team or are playing in the Championship (an exciting but poor footballing league in the tactical and technical sense), none are able to take a game by the scruff of the neck and win it and you can question the hunger given the pay a lot of them get and what they get told by the media. There is a big problem with the English mindset in tournament football as well, far too negative and scared to perform - this is becoming a cultural issue, but historically we are not a strong tournament side - one fluke in 1966 (at home, helped by officiating) cannot compare with many nations. Our premier league football is only good because of money and foreign players, not because of anything 'English' about it. As soon as English players do what every other nationality does and go and play abroad to learn as both players and men, they better.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Oxlade Chamberlain, Sterling, Shaw, Chambers etc. all eligible but didn't play for whatever reason? We simply didn't have the best team out there

[stpedro]

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Oxlade Chamberlain, Sterling, Shaw, Chambers etc. all eligible but didn't play for whatever reason? We simply didn't have the best team out there

 

you'll note I said that team - not those you mentioned. But most of them got us to the finals (again opposition not very good). Shaw was apparently injured or asked to not be considered, Chambers didn't get in the team (was in the squad) and Oxlade Chamberlain and Sterling apparently are beyond U21 World Cup tournaments now as it won't do them any good. I disagree. It would do them a hell of a lot of good to get used to tournament football, taking responsibility as 'senior pros' and trying to breed a winning culture. Best team or not, we still were off the pace and overhyped - we were not the only side who could have included other players or had people unavailable

[OldNick]

Southgate is another yes man and the FA love those. How Chalobah played every game is a mystery. Whilst JWP is not a world beater surely he is better than the Championship players who played. Ings looked awful, it will be funny if he fails for Brendan

[RedFear]

Butland

 

Jenkinson Chambers Stones Shaw

 

Ward-Prowse Loftus-Cheek Hughes

 

Chamberlain Kane Sterling

 

Let's not pretend there isn't quality out there at this level. But even that team would need to play together consistently. Even without Chamberlain and Sterling, Redmond and Lingaard aren't bad, Ings could play wider.

 

But it all becomes irreverent with the set up as it is. It just couldn't have been more England if they'd tried, and I can't believe anyone is being taken in by the senior teams winning run in a ridiculously easy qualifying group. Same old problems, changing team every game, imbalanced sides, baffling selections, reserves playing over regular starters, form players ignored.

 

Whether you're good or sh1t at least try to learn.

 

Exactly, its such ******** that we didnt have the team out there. And that mustnt be allowed to get out as the reason we failed

 

Italy had plenty of Serie B Players and people like Trotta, last seen struggling for games in the championship

 

As always always always, come the tournament the manager bottled it/was leant on, to play 'big team' players probably for marketing reasons and yet again we are heading home early. Rubbish

Edited 25 June, 2015 by RedFear

[supersonic]

Butland

 

Jenkinson Chambers Stones Shaw

 

Ward-Prowse Loftus-Cheek Hughes

 

Chamberlain Kane Sterling

 

Let's not pretend there isn't quality out there at this level. But even that team would need to play together consistently. Even without Chamberlain and Sterling, Redmond and Lingaard aren't bad, Ings could play wider.

 

But it all becomes irreverent with the set up as it is. It just couldn't have been more England if they'd tried, and I can't believe anyone is being taken in by the senior teams winning run in a ridiculously easy qualifying group. Same old problems, changing team every game, imbalanced sides, baffling selections, reserves playing over regular starters, form players ignored.

 

Whether you're good or sh1t at least try to learn.

 

That midfield would get torn to shreds.

[Batman]

Hodgson and Southgate. Good god.

 

Sound like they could open up a Library.. 'Hodgson and Southgate interesting book shop'

[John Boy Saint]

It's the "England Way" ......... Players starting from the youngsters can see a clear and defined pathway through to the senior team.

Nice to see they have picked up something from us and been original enough to put their own spin on it so as to look original

[Badger]

It will now be quite amusing if England Women progress in their World Cup- although winning it may be too much to ask - just top show the blokes teams how it should be done.

[angelman]

Confess that I fell asleep during most of the game - only saw their 3rd and switched off after that.

 

What have we learned from this?

 

Ings and Kane might be over rated?

Southgate can't motivate the players?

JWP isn't good enough to feature in an average side?

We don't know how to play tournament football?

 

Anything else?

 

With Ings and Kane, it will be interesting to see how they do this season. Kane had a storming last season, while Ings was somewhat mixed - good first half, average second. I know people can say that they are young, but take a world class player like Messi - he was in the Argentinian side when he was 18, and had got 10 goals for the senior side by the time he was 21.

[Badger]

With Ings and Kane, it will be interesting to see how they do this season. Kane had a storming last season, while Ings was somewhat mixed - good first half, average second. I know people can say that they are young, but take a world class player like Messi - he was in the Argentinian side when he was 18, and had got 10 goals for the senior side by the time he was 21.

 

By the very nature of the tournament, all sides competing are young, but the krauts routinely play a young team with a winning mentality which they then take into senior squads. By contrast we turn up with some massaged egos, give some spluttering performances with no real game plan, and fall short of the standard required, and take this attitude and acceptance of failure into the senior squad.

 

So the wait goes on...

[rooney]

I had to watch this at my daughters as we do not have BT Sport. It was poor and I left after the third goal went in for Italy. Greatly enjoyed the womens match on Monday though--they never gave up.

[verlaine1979]

Loftus-Cheek was the best player on the pitch when he came on against Sweden, yet didn't start. For his delivery from dead balls alone JWP should have started ahead of Chalobah & Forster-Caskey - stupid selection in midfield, effectively decided to go 4-4-2 with Ings and Kane (albeit handing in a team sheet that pretended Ings was going to be a withdrawn #10).

[krissyboy31]

So, the only team we managed to beat, only went and won the tournament!!

[St.Patrik]

God it feels good to be a Swede right now : ) Champions - biggest game for a Swedish national team since 1994 World Cup .

John Guidetti had another good game and would welcome him to Saints 7 days a week.

[david in sweden]

God it feels good to be a Swede right now : ) Champions - biggest game for a Swedish national team since 1994 World Cup .

John Guidetti had another good game and would welcome him to Saints 7 days a week.

 

Agreed St. Patrik.

Many Stockholmers have been following Guidetti since his teenage days with Brommapojkarna, and am a bit surprised that no rumours have come out of SMS about possibly signing him as he's now a free agent, and played a very good loan season at Feyernoord when Koeman was his manager.

 

Maybe RK isn't keen on him, and knows something we don't....?

[david in sweden]

Confess that I fell asleep during most of the game - only saw their 3rd and switched off after that. What have we learned from this?

 

Ings and Kane might be over rated?............Despite his " local connections " I really don't see that Ings has developed enough for our level of the Prem. Kane had his " good season" , and if he repeats it...... then I'll start to think of him as a good player.

 

Southgate can't motivate the players? Was also a big question mark in his club managerial days. Good coach ? .....but poor manager.

JWP isn't good enough to feature in an average side? Was difficult to see who was better. Did Southgate suddenly lose faith in him after the first game ?

We don't know how to play tournament football? The eternal question. Take away the 1966 WC Final from our record .......and you have the answer.

 

Anything else?

 

With Ings and Kane, it will be interesting to see how they do this season. Kane had a storming last season, while Ings was somewhat mixed - good first half, average second. I know people can say that they are young, but take a world class player like Messi - he was in the Argentinian side when he was 18, and had got 10 goals for the senior side by the time he was 21.

 

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[trousers]

Southampton FC ‏@SouthamptonFC

INTERNATIONALS: #SaintsFC's @Prowsey16, @jackstephens_18 and @Mattytargett have been named in the latest @england U21s squad.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Southampton FC ‏@SouthamptonFC

INTERNATIONALS: #SaintsFC's @Prowsey16, @jackstephens_18 and @Mattytargett have been named in the latest @england U21s squad.

 

That's a first U21 callup for Stephens I think?

[John B]

I wish some fans would get of JWP and Targetts back always wingeing about them they are young and must surely have talent if they are in the U21 Squad they need encouragement as they develop hopefully into excellent footballers

[Batman]

Targett has suffered from being in a far worse team, he was very good last season.

 

Jwp just never gets a run. He's not going to be world class no, but he can be better than Davis and imo needs 10 starts to prove it. Davis has set the bar low this year so not sure why JWP gets so much criticism.

 

because davis is the hipsters choice as the most underrated player we have

[SaintSteve]

Targett has suffered from being in a far worse team, he was very good last season.

 

Jwp just never gets a run. He's not going to be world class no, but he can be better than Davis and imo needs 10 starts to prove it. Davis has set the bar low this year so not sure why JWP gets so much criticism.

Ward-Prowse is not fit to tie Davis boots...I bumped into Ward-Prowse this evening, and had to pick him up as he's not too strong on his feet.. A little boy in a mans game.

[Pilchards]

Currently watching the England u21's in Bosnia and Ward-Prowse is by far the best player on the pitch.

If he keeps progressing then I see a full cap soon.

 

We also have Taggart playing and Jack Stephens who has just been red carded for two fouls in 3 minutes.

[SuperSAINT]

Currently watching the England u21's in Bosnia and Ward-Prowse is by far the best player on the pitch.

If he keeps progressing then I see a full cap soon.

 

We also have Taggart playing and Jack Stephens who has just been red carded for two fouls in 3 minutes.

 

Where's he playing, Pilch? Sitting in central midfield?

[VectisSaint]

Where's he playing, Pilch? Sitting in central midfield?

On the bench, subbed after 70. Stephens joined him 2 minutes later.

Yoshida scored for Japan...

[Pilchards]

Where's he playing, Pilch? Sitting in central midfield?

 

Indeed central position, seems to have the freedom to do what he wants and IMHO it suits him.

I guess him coming off is due to the lack of games and the fact he runs himself into the ground.

[VectisSaint]

Indeed central position, seems to have the freedom to do what he wants and IMHO it suits him.

I guess him coming off is due to the lack of games and the fact he runs himself into the ground.

On the other hand it might have been because Southgate was desperate to make some impact against the team that was bottom of the group with 0 points and felt he needed to do something decisive to alter the way we were playing. Stephens' red card just after buggered that up though. Still England are equal top of the group now.

[Lets B Avenue]

On the bench, subbed after 70. Stephens joined him 2 minutes later.

Yoshida scored for Japan...

 

Indeed central position, seems to have the freedom to do what he wants and IMHO it suits him.

I guess him coming off is due to the lack of games and the fact he runs himself into the ground.

 

Not according to this. Looks like he played the whole 90 minutes and some people don't know their own players.

 

http://www.thefa.com/news/england/under-21/2015/nov/bosnia-herzegovina-england-report-121115

[simo]

Stephens was sent off for a second yellow

[shurlock]

Not according to this. Looks like he played the whole 90 minutes and some people don't know their own players.

 

http://www.thefa.com/news/england/under-21/2015/nov/bosnia-herzegovina-england-report-121115

 

Maybe he got him confused with Akpom.

[Donatello]

Maybe he got him confused with Akpom.

 

 

From memory, Vectis isn't a JWP fan.

[VectisSaint]

Not according to this. Looks like he played the whole 90 minutes and some people don't know their own players.

 

http://www.thefa.com/news/england/under-21/2015/nov/bosnia-herzegovina-england-report-121115

Yep, you're right, the app I was monitoring live did say Ward Prowse, but updated it later to Akpom. Can't trust no-one these days, bit like the 2 yellows for Pelle on Saturday which still shows on their match report...

[a1ex2001]

Currently watching the England u21's in Bosnia and Ward-Prowse is by far the best player on the pitch.

If he keeps progressing then I see a full cap soon.

 

We also have Taggart playing and Jack Stephens who has just been red carded for two fouls in 3 minutes.

 

I'm always a bit dubious of players who get lots of under 21 caps I remember being very excited when we signed David Prutton who had made 25 appearances and that didn't work out so well!

 

I still thing ward-prowse is looking good and can't really understand the level of criticism he gets on here! I don't think he is going to be a bale or a Ronaldo but I do think he will be a solid premiership/fringe of the England squad player which at least means we might get to keep him for a while. Next club captain for me.