shurlock Posted 18 June, 2015 Posted 18 June, 2015 I thought England looked better while JWP was on the pitch. Small plus point. Decent Portugal team. Didn't see all the first half but from what I saw JWP gave the ball away very cheaply on at least 2/3 occasions and the Portuguese found it very easy to play through midfield.
BARCELONASAINT Posted 18 June, 2015 Posted 18 June, 2015 was a big mistake taking JWP off. He is by far the best dead ball player in that England team. He was neat and tidy without being special. That all said this was a very decent Portugal side.
Sour Mash Posted 18 June, 2015 Posted 18 June, 2015 Didn't see all the first half but from what I saw JWP gave the ball away very cheaply on at least 2/3 occasions and the Portuguese found it very easy to play through midfield. Yeah, he did a couple of times early second half. England looked alright in the first half, but poor 2nd. Not sure how much it was due to JWP coming off.
Saint_Tony Posted 18 June, 2015 Posted 18 June, 2015 Standard England. Still don't rate JWP, I think he's the weakest player in our squad. Hopefully he will score a free kick in this tournaent and generate a big bid from Man City Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk
SO16_Saint Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Is the game televised tomorrow? Fwiw the FA have said that all games are being streamed on the UEFA YouTube channel.
niceandfriendly Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Did see the game but we cannot expect too much from JWP after the season he had. He's going into the tournament off the back of his worst ever season in professional football, so let's cut him some slack. Last season was a horror show for him so the U21 tourny couldn't have come at a worse time. Lets get him back in for pre-season and hope he can find some form for next season or possibly the one after that. Needs time.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Am I going mad or did JWP not have a decent season for us? I think he's developing nicely, he just needs more of an identity as a player.
Sour Mash Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Did see the game but we cannot expect too much from JWP after the season he had. He's going into the tournament off the back of his worst ever season in professional football, so let's cut him some slack. Last season was a horror show for him so the U21 tourny couldn't have come at a worse time. Lets get him back in for pre-season and hope he can find some form for next season or possibly the one after that. Needs time. What a load of utter s***e.
doddisalegend Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Did see the game but we cannot expect too much from JWP after the season he had. He's going into the tournament off the back of his worst ever season in professional football, so let's cut him some slack. Last season was a horror show for him so the U21 tourny couldn't have come at a worse time. Lets get him back in for pre-season and hope he can find some form for next season or possibly the one after that. Needs time. Errrrrrr what?
Redslo Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Did see the game but we cannot expect too much from JWP after the season he had. He's going into the tournament off the back of his worst ever season in professional football, so let's cut him some slack. Last season was a horror show for him so the U21 tourny couldn't have come at a worse time. Lets get him back in for pre-season and hope he can find some form for next season or possibly the one after that. Needs time. Errrrrrr what? Given his injury, it probably was his worst season ever at least from JWP's personal perspective, but he did not play horribly when he was healthy.
Doctoroncall Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 I agree, Tom Carroll wasn't in the game, thought it was a strange decision leaving him on whilst taking off JWP. Our midfield in the second half seemed non-existant. Their midfield controlled the game and was the source of Portugal’s strength with William Carvalho, who was hugely impressive, shutting down Tom Carroll while JWP was unable to have the same effect on Bernardo Silva at the other end of Portugal’s midfield diamond. Portugal should do well in the tournament.
benjii Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 I thought a number of our guys look ready-made for the full team. Ponderous in possession, poor pass appreciation, hesitant first touch, devoid of ideas, slow to react and move... Should fit in perfectly.
Saint_Ash Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 I don't think there was anyone in our squad who had a horror show in the best season we've ever had in the Prem! Jesus, mental!
simo Posted 19 June, 2015 Posted 19 June, 2015 Fwiw the FA have said that all games are being streamed on the UEFA YouTube channel. I looked at that yesterday "Not available in this country"
Window Cleaner Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Not Good for JWP's England Senior team chances Did he actually have any of those ? Needs to work out what his best position is and get some serious game time there. I still think he needs to be loaned out to "man up" a bit.
simo Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 JWP dropped. Hughes in his place. I think Southgate has made a mistake there the back 4 will have their work cut out now!
Matthew Le God Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Did he actually have any of those ? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/11516571/Roy-Hodgson-plans-to-give-James-Ward-Prowse-senior-England-call-up.html I still think he needs to be loaned out to "man up" a bit. Why would loaning him out "man him up"? He is already getting huge amount of gametime for someone his age in the Premier League, few get more. If we loaned him out we'd be short of central midfielders.
Mouldy Coat Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Am I going mad or did JWP not have a decent season for us? I think he's developing nicely' date=' he just needs more of an identity as a player.[/quote'] I don't think he had a 'decent' season. However, he got game time but really needs to have more of an impact this coming season and establish himself in a position. I wouldn't say he had a horror show though LOL that's a little harsh. His season was relatively ineffective......but you can't say anything remotely negative on here without people wetting their bed clothes. He's a young lad so needs to be given time, but this is a big season coming up for him to show that in the many games we have.
Matthew Le God Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 I don't think he had a 'decent' season. However, he got game time but really needs to have more of an impact this coming season and establish himself in a position. I wouldn't say he had a horror show though LOL that's a little harsh. His season was relatively ineffective......but you can't say anything remotely negative on here without people wetting their bed clothes. He's a young lad so needs to be given time, but this is a big season coming up for him to show that in the many games we have. How many 20 year old midfielder's had 6 assists last season in the Premier League? Ward-Prowse did so from 16 starts and 9 sub appearances, with an injury interrupting his season from September to December.
SaintSteve Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 JWP dropped. Hughes in his place. No surprise there... Totally ineffective in the 1st game.
shurlock Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 How many 20 year old midfielder's had 6 assists last season in the Premier League? Ward-Prowse did so from 16 starts and 9 sub appearances, with an injury interrupting his season from September to December.
Mouldy Coat Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 (edited) Good point MLG but how many were genuine through ball assists versus just passing the ball to someone and them doing all the work? If he is playing in the central midfield advance position rather than deep lying midfielder then I would expect a player in that role to contribute to our assist and goals tally. I'm not writing JWP off jas I think his dead ball ability is fantastic - he just needs to be more consistent (which will hopefully come with games because he is obviously showing it in training). However I think he lacks pace and physical presence so he needs to let his passing range and undoubted dead ball ability do the talking through consistent performances - this hasnt happened yet hence why there are doubting people (unfairly maybe at this early stage in his career). Edited 21 June, 2015 by Mouldy Coat
verlaine1979 Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 If 6 assists and 1 goal in 25 appearances as an attacking midfielder is a horror show, what would you call 2 assists and no goals in 35?
shurlock Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 (edited) If 6 assists and 1 goal in 25 appearances as an attacking midfielder is a horror show, what would you call 2 assists and no goals in 35? Maybe fractions aren't Koeman's forte since he clearly seems to prefer the latter. Or maybe your hard-on for all things Steven Davis is getting in the way of dispassionate analysis. Edited 21 June, 2015 by shurlock
SaintSteve Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 England U21s look like a disjointed rabble...absolutely shocking. Southgate looks completely lost on the touch line.
shurlock Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 England U21s look like a disjointed rabble...absolutely shocking. Southgate looks completely lost on the touch line. They've pretty much controlled possession but apart from a few dangerous crosses, have run out of ideas in the final third. Jenkinson and Kane have been relatively decent.
Mouldy Coat Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 You hear criticism that we maybe don't take it seriously enough which is sad. However, you only have to look at the amount of support from Sweden (numbers and vocally) versus English fans to think maybe there is some truth in it
Mouldy Coat Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Add to the team Wiltshire, Ox, Sterling, Stones, Barkley, Ince, Shaw and the West Brom lad and we might beat these!!
SaintSteve Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 They've pretty much controlled possession but apart from a few dangerous crosses, have run out of ideas in the final third. Jenkinson and Kane have been relatively decent. Yes, but we all know what controlling possession means... Not a lot. The tempo is far too slow and create any space, hence the lack of ideas in the final third
Mouldy Coat Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 (edited) Great goal...it's also interesting that we seem to like to put failed club managers as our U21 manager. Platt, Pearce, Southgate, Etc Edited 21 June, 2015 by Mouldy Coat
VectisSaint Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Great goal...it's also interesting that we seem to like to put failed club managers as our U21 manager. Platt, Pearce, Southgate, Etc Think its more to do with appointing young English coaches who have recently been international players. None of the above were really failures, they were all inexperienced and like almost all coaches paid the price for lack of out and out success within a couple of seasons. Not many coaches get the opportunity to develop for longer than that these days. Southgate was not even a qualified coach when he was appointed manager of Middlesbrough and did very well for them in his first season in charge, despite a shaky start. 2nd season they were relegated after a good start and an appalling run, and third season he had them 4th in the Championship before Steve Gibson pulled the trigger, probably rather prematurely. Bit harsh really to call him a failed club manager. Gary White will probably be next U21 coach.
david in sweden Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Sweden 0 England 1....... Sweden didn't deserve to lose, and aside from Lingard's goal (good though it was)....England were barely worth 1 point - let alone 3.
Goatboy Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Sweden 0 England 1....... Sweden didn't deserve to lose, and aside from Lingard's goal (good though it was)....England were barely worth 1 point - let alone 3. I don't know about that. Sweden were obviously playing for the draw and offered very little in the second half. England huffed and puffed and were far too slow in their build up but were worth the win imho.
shurlock Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Think its more to do with appointing young English coaches who have recently been international players. None of the above were really failures, they were all inexperienced and like almost all coaches paid the price for lack of out and out success within a couple of seasons. Not many coaches get the opportunity to develop for longer than that these days. Southgate was not even a qualified coach when he was appointed manager of Middlesbrough and did very well for them in his first season in charge, despite a shaky start. 2nd season they were relegated after a good start and an appalling run, and third season he had them 4th in the Championship before Steve Gibson pulled the trigger, probably rather prematurely. Bit harsh really to call him a failed club manager. Gary White will probably be next U21 coach. Agree. Think there's a potentially talented manager in Southgate, though he's somewhat risk-averse.
Bewildered Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Team tonight v Italy: Butland, Jenkinson, Garbutt, Forster-Caskey, Stones, Gibson, Kane, Redomond, Chalobah, Ings, Lingard. JWP on the bench again along with Targett
The9 Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 You hear criticism that we maybe don't take it seriously enough which is sad. However, you only have to look at the amount of support from Sweden (numbers and vocally) versus English fans to think maybe there is some truth in it Granty was over there and basically said the English FA told the fans they couldn't get a block of tickets so they were all over the stadium, whilst the Swedes "somehow" managed it, and their group of maybe a couple of hundred, all shirted up behind the goal, were much more visible.
mulletsaint Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Team tonight v Italy: Butland, Jenkinson, Garbutt, Forster-Caskey, Stones, Gibson, Kane, Redomond, Chalobah, Ings, Lingard. JWP on the bench again along with Targett Not sure Southgate knows what he's doing. That's not a criticism of him leaving JWP on the bench but more the fact that he doesn't seem to want to play the same midfield for consecutive games.
trousers Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 England 1 down on 25 mins. Bring on the Prowse-meister!
Bewildered Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 2-0 down. Belotti and Benassi with 2 goals in quick succession.
Lets B Avenue Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 2-0 down. Belotti and Benassi with 2 goals in quick succession. Just as well John Stones was fit to play today.
CityRanger Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 No.15 Benassi looks alright. We're reported to have an €8m offer on the table for him this week. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk
mcjwills Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 No.15 Benassi looks alright. We're reported to have an €8m offer on the table for him this week. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk I'd up that to €12m at this display at the moment
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Chalobah has to be one of the most overrated players in the country. And this England team has been thrown together and look like a bunch of strangers.
Faz Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 England midfield looks pretty useless. But mostly, just seems another disorganised mess of a team. Why can't we produce teams?! FFS some england manager just build an actual team and stick with it. Unless that Manager is Roy Hodgson, in which case stop picking ****ing Andros ****ing Townsend
Suhari Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 No.15 Benassi looks alright. We're reported to have an €8m offer on the table for him this week. Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk Playing wide left? Do we need another one there?
BARCELONASAINT Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 awful from the English youngsters. Midfield are scared to play a forward ball, everything is backwards or sideways......heavily reliant on Kane getting lucky but the service is crap!
SaintSteve Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 The gulf in technical ability is vast.. And we can add Southgate to a long list of tactically naive managers which includes Hodgson.
stevewanyamasfcs Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 How on earth has Chalobah started every game in this tournament so far?
Saint IQ Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 Southgate needs to bring on the Saints! Targett and Ward-Prowse will change the game!
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