Window Cleaner Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Apparently it's too discriminatory, not really working and Platini wants to change it in some way or other. Will probably only effect UEFA FFP for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Probably having an adverse effect on PSG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Probably having an adverse effect on PSG. Well it's the PSG type of financial montage that's at the base of the problem, same as Citeh. Any owner with financial clout and diversified interests can knock up something credible that gives them an advantage over clubs that can't. There are also a few legal challenges to the fact that an authority like UEFA can prevent owners doing whatever they like with their money and their enterprise. The rules are going to be lightened apparently because as they stand all they're doing is widening the gap between the tricky dicky owners and those that are more ethical. Don't forget that Etihad Airways invest more than their annual global profit in Citeh ever season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Well it's the PSG type of financial montage that's at the base of the problem, same as Citeh. Any owner with financial clout and diversified interests can knock up something credible that gives them an advantage over clubs that can't. There are also a few legal challenges to the fact that an authority like UEFA can prevent owners doing whatever they like with their money and their enterprise. The rules are going to be lightened apparently because as they stand all they're doing is widening the gap between the tricky dicky owners and those that are more ethical. Don't forget that Etihad Airways invest more than their annual global profit in Citeh ever season. Hopefully same will happen here, as I don't think it's had the desired effect what so ever. It basically hinders ourselves, Everton, Swansea etc - but allows the bigger clubs to pull away even further, so not quite sure how it's 'fair play'. Hopefully the rules will be readjusted so we can all have a slice of the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 We're stuck regardless of which way any argument about FFP goes. If they stick with FFP, we're stuck because it's nigh-on impossible for us to grow our revenue as fast as the bigger clubs can - our commercial operation is light years behind Spurs and West Ham, let alone the likes of Man United and Chelsea. If they ditch FFP (which I can't see happening), then while it allows us to spend more, it also allows other clubs to spend more as well. We've got resources, but nobody knows whether KL would be willing to throw any more money at the club on short-term things like transfer fees. Her dedication to long-term investment isn't in any doubt, but more immediate spending is less clear-cut, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 It is going to be worse, just you watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 The way to level the playing field is for Fifa to cap wages (I reckon £500 a week is more than enough for playing footie) world wide and cap player transfers at a £1000 a player. Money then becomes irrelevant. Probably infringes on players and agents human rights or something though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 The way to level the playing field is for Fifa to cap wages (I reckon £500 a week is more than enough for playing footie) world wide and cap player transfers at a £1000 a player. Money then becomes irrelevant. Probably infringes on players and agents human rights or something though. Then you'd end up with owners making billions from clubs. Players are more deserving of the money in football than the owners... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 If Boscombe do not fall foul of Financial Fair Play rules in the next three years, I will consider eating my garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 If Boscombe do not fall foul of Financial Fair Play rules in the next three years, I will consider eating my garage. Take a seat at the dining room table, then. With the income they'll be getting from the PL next season (plus parachute payments even if they go straight back down), they'd do well to spend more than they receive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Take a seat at the dining room table, then. With the income they'll be getting from the PL next season (plus parachute payments even if they go straight back down), they'd do well to spend more than they receive. One word, Steve. Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Then you'd end up with owners making billions from clubs. Players are more deserving of the money in football than the owners... You could cap PL wages at £10,000pw, give free entrance a pie and a pint to 32,5000 people and they'd still make money from tv rights alone. Shows how skewed PL football is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 One word, Steve. Redknapp. I don't think Demin will be mental enough to let him anywhere near any sort of position of power. He'll let him come to games and sit in the padded seats, but that'll be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 18 May, 2015 I don't think Demin will be mental enough to let him anywhere near any sort of position of power. He'll let him come to games and sit in the padded seats, but that'll be it. Thus earning tons of goodwil from the popular press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 18 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 18 May, 2015 The way to level the playing field is for Fifa to cap wages (I reckon £500 a week is more than enough for playing footie) world wide and cap player transfers at a £1000 a player. Money then becomes irrelevant. Probably infringes on players and agents human rights or something though. And thern you'd have a non-FIFA affiliated Super league started up within days of that decision. it's what happened in cricket, Murdoch didn't like the rules so he made up his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 If Boscombe do not fall foul of Financial Fair Play rules in the next three years, I will consider eating my garage. If we sign Alderweireld you're going to be in for a hasty digestion and rebuild anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 And thern you'd have a non-FIFA affiliated Super league started up within days of that decision. it's what happened in cricket, Murdoch didn't like the rules so he made up his own. Which could lead to the eventual collapse of FIFA. That is something I may have mentioned could be Platini's goal in the longer term, that way he doesn't have to oust Blatter, just have UEFA undermine them by removing their affiliation and running everything in Europe themselves. The power of the UEFA clubs shouldn't be underestimated in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 19 May, 2015 Share Posted 19 May, 2015 (edited) Links http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/ Note this quote: Both the Premier League and the Championship's FFP rules work on a broadly similar concept to UEFA's (with owner injected equity excluded from Break Even). However, given the increased TV deal and the larger permitted loss in the Premier League, a similar rule change here would not have a huge effect. Although at first glance, Chelsea might look to be a winner from any PL rule change, they would still be constrained by the restriction on increasing the annual wage bill by a maximum of either £4m a year, or an uplift in commercial income. Interestingly, this wage-rise cap would also restrict clubs like Everton and Southampton from getting to the top-table (even if owner cash injections were permitted for FFP purposes and if they had an owner willing to roll the dice). Quite what the Liverpool owners would think of a potential PL change would be interesting; they cited FFP as one of the reasons they bought club. A rule change in the Premier League would make it a real struggle to get as close to Man City as they did last season. http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32784375 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc-owners-set-disappointed-9282200 As I argued on my blog, overall FFP currently helps Southampton: http://redsloscf.blogspot.com/2015/01/financial-fair-play-friend-or-foe.html Edited 19 May, 2015 by Redslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 May, 2015 Share Posted 19 May, 2015 just heard on the radio that it is believed that a big factor in the review of the FFP rules is the changing premier league TV deal. 20 premier league clubs when the new deal comes in will ALL be in the top 40 european club list with regards to finances etc. Platini does not like that I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 May, 2015 Share Posted 19 May, 2015 just heard on the radio that it is believed that a big factor in the review of the FFP rules is the changing premier league TV deal. 20 premier league clubs when the new deal comes in will ALL be in the top 40 european club list with regards to finances etc. Platini does not like that I guess Not sure why he'd care, when 13 of them won't even play in his competitions and none of them have made the last 8 of either competition this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 19 May, 2015 Share Posted 19 May, 2015 Not sure why he'd care, when 13 of them won't even play in his competitions and none of them have made the last 8 of either competition this season. But the ones who can play in his competitions will easily (under the current rules) have more financial clout than practically any one else. Platini has long wanted to clip the EPL's wings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 May, 2015 Share Posted 19 May, 2015 But the ones who can play in his competitions will easily (under the current rules) have more financial clout than practically any one else. Platini has long wanted to clip the EPL's wings! He doesn't give a toss about it. Really. The top English clubs already have more clout than all but Real, Barca, Bayern and maybe PSG and it's not done them any good at all, in fact results have significantly worsened overall in the past few seasons, which correlates to the rise in TV money (as well as Platini being in situ, but that's still hardly relevant in terms of his actions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 19 May, 2015 just heard on the radio that it is believed that a big factor in the review of the FFP rules is the changing premier league TV deal. 20 premier league clubs when the new deal comes in will ALL be in the top 40 european club list with regards to finances etc. Platini does not like that I guess It's got nothing to do with the EPL, it's because the rules are being sidestepped everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 May, 2015 Share Posted 19 May, 2015 just heard on the radio that it is believed that a big factor in the review of the FFP rules is the changing premier league TV deal. 20 premier league clubs when the new deal comes in will ALL be in the top 40 european club list with regards to finances etc. Platini does not like that I guess Also, when you say "the radio", do you by any chance mean TalkSh-ite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 19 May, 2015 Share Posted 19 May, 2015 It's got nothing to do with the EPL, it's because the rules are being sidestepped everywhere. Oh come on, you'll be telling me every bureaucrat ever associated with a non-Southampton-based association hasn't got it in for England/Saints next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 19 May, 2015 Share Posted 19 May, 2015 just heard on the radio that it is believed that a big factor in the review of the FFP rules is the changing premier league TV deal. 20 premier league clubs when the new deal comes in will ALL be in the top 40 european club list with regards to finances etc. Platini does not like that I guess Did I read that bournemouths income next year will be higher than Benfica's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 5 September, 2022 Share Posted 5 September, 2022 I've only just come across (ooer) this regarding the latest offenders : https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62771118 No surprises to see the usual suspects in there given another fine/slap across the wrists. Until points/euro bans start coming in there is really no threat to these mega rich clubs by breaking the rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 5 September, 2022 Share Posted 5 September, 2022 5 hours ago, skintsaint said: I've only just come across (ooer) this regarding the latest offenders : https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62771118 No surprises to see the usual suspects in there given another fine/slap across the wrists. Until points/euro bans start coming in there is really no threat to these mega rich clubs by breaking the rules. The problem is that every single time stronger sanctions are tried they are reduced on appeal. I can’t remember a single case where it was upheld. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 5 September, 2022 Share Posted 5 September, 2022 5 hours ago, skintsaint said: I've only just come across (ooer) this regarding the latest offenders : https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62771118 No surprises to see the usual suspects in there given another fine/slap across the wrists. Until points/euro bans start coming in there is really no threat to these mega rich clubs by breaking the rules. No surprise to see Chelsea and Wham in that list….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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