Lighthouse Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Depending on other results, including Swansea's game against City this afternoon, we could finish anywhere from 5th to 8th. City vs Saints (60 points) Stoke vs Liverpool (62 points) Everton vs Spurs (61 points) Palace vs Swansea (56 points before today's game) All 1500 kick off on Sunday We have by far the best goal difference of anyone outside the top 4. IF we could pull off a win here, Liverpool would need to win at Stoke with the GD involved. Jay Rod on the bench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA SaintsFan Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 I compiled a list of possible final day scenarios: If Swansea... WIN tomorrow vs City ...and WIN vs Palace, then we need to beat City to stay ahead of them. ...and DRAW vs Palace then we clinch at least 7th (unless a 23 GD swing.) ...and LOSE vs Palace then we clinch at least 7th. DRAW City We clinch at least 7th (unless a 23 GD swing.) LOSE to City We clinch at least 7th. If Tottenham... WIN vs Everton then they clinch at least 6th. DRAW Everton then we need to beat City. LOSE to Everton then we need to at least draw City. If Liverpool... WIN vs Stoke they clinch 5th place. DRAW Stoke then we need to win vs City to catch them. LOSE to Stoke then we still need to win vs City to pass them. BEST CASE SENARIO: Swansea, Tottenham, and Liverpool all lose. We beat City. SAINTS 63, Liverpool 62, Tottenham 61, Swansea 56. WORST CASE SENARIO: Swansea, Tottenham, and Liverpool all win. We lose to City. Liverpool 65, Tottenham 64, Swansea 62, SAINTS 60. I reckon we have a good shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 BEST CASE SENARIO: Swansea, Tottenham, and Liverpool all lose. We beat City. SAINTS 63, Liverpool 62, Tottenham 61, Swansea 56. for 5th place the minimum we need is: Beat City Tottenham and Liverpool draw Swansea doesn't enter into it. 5th SAINTS 63 (on GD) 6th Liverpool 63 7th Tottenham 62 Just win!! COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Best scenario is we win, Swansea win both their games and Liverpool and Spurs lose their respective games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Yeah, so basically... Liverpool will finish 5th Spurs 6th Saints 7th Swansea 8th Only bring back this post to haunt me if you're prepared to put your name down for similar treatment of I'm right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 I wasn't paying attention properly, but did I see that those cheating scouse bin dipping shytes are somehow top of The Fair Play League and could sneak into the Europa League even in 8th place? In which case, hoping Hughsie will have his team "stoked up" and Charlie Adam gets Lovren and a couple of others booked and sent off to scupper that route through the back door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Yeah, so basically... Liverpool will finish 5th Spurs 6th Saints 7th Swansea 8th Only bring back this post to haunt me if you're prepared to put your name down for similar treatment of I'm right! For all the mathematical possibilities its awfully hard to see how it won't finish precisely like that. Still exciting though. Be nice if City beat Swansea today and the only way we could go next Sunday is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Everton will beat Spurs; Stoke will at least draw with Liverpool, this is their "derby", no love lost there; which leaves us needing to draw to get 6th and win to get 5th. We have a massive incentive now, and we are fired up after the win and the love in yesterday. Believe! We March On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Monkey Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 2 Arsenal defeats over the next few days (and a city win) would leave City with second place secured. Might be good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 We'll get 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 I think we could get a point in this game and grab 6th. Depends where Man City are. If City win today and Man U and Arsenal draw, then 2nd place is theirs. It is their last game of the season in front of there crowd though. Really does depend on a lot of things and which City side turn up. We can only hope it is the one that turned up for Hull at home and not QPR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 It is not in our own hands and we are playing a top side on their ground who have already comfortably beaten us at home this season. We are in this position because of some inept performances of late so only have ourselves to blame. It is a long shot but at least we have put in a good performance and sent the fans home happy at our last home game yesterday. Personally I am not going to enjoy finishing 7th and then waiting on Arsenal beating Villa in the FA Cup final. Yes we all know Arsenal should win especially when you consider Villa's performance yesterday. Football just doesn't always work like that though. As those above have said a lot will depend on which City side actually turn up.COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 I think we could get a point in this game and grab 6th. Depends where Man City are. If City win today and Man U and Arsenal draw, then 2nd place is theirs. It is their last game of the season in front of there crowd though. Really does depend on a lot of things and which City side turn up. We can only hope it is the one that turned up for Hull at home and not QPR! Not true, if City win and Arsenal get a point Arsenal are within 6 points of City with 2 to play as they've got Sunderland midweek. However if City win Swansea can't catch us, and if United beat Arsenal as well, they can't catch City and nor then can Arsenal. So we want City and United wins today. Though I'd swap that for Saints, Everton, Palace and Stoke wins next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 It is not in our own hands and we are playing a top side on their ground who have already comfortably beaten us at home this season. We are in this position because of some inept performances of late so only have ourselves to blame. It is a long shot but at least we have put in a good performance and sent the fans home happy at our last home game yesterday. Personally I am not going to enjoy finishing 7th and then waiting on Arsenal beating Villa in the FA Cup final. Yes we all know Arsenal should win especially when you consider Villa's performance yesterday. Football just doesn't always work like that though. As those above have said a lot will depend on which City side actually turn up.COYR. We are also only in this position because of some rather inept performances from Liverpool and Spurs. Swings and roundabouts etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 We are also only in this position because of some rather inept performances from Liverpool and Spurs. ...and a few of our own, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Best scenario is we win, Swansea win both their games and Liverpool and Spurs lose their respective games. Nerve jangling, but wouldn't that be something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Was dreading this after the Leic game but as someone once said 'a week's a long time in football'; I'm massively looking fd to it now, the players will be on a real high and we've hit some form just when we need it. Clearly City will be a 100 times better than Villa were yesterday but you'd have to fancy our front three against anyone if they all click again, and a welcome return to form for Clyne yesterday, and prob JWP's best game for Saints. My only grizzle is I hope we play Gazza, he deserves it after yesterday and playing in a 'big' game will do wonders for his development; I love KD and he's been a brilliant club captain but there's no room for sentiment (for me) in a game that has a fair bit riding on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Was dreading this after the Leic game but as someone once said 'a week's a long time in football'; I'm massively looking fd to it now, the players will be on a real high and we've hit some form just when we need it. Clearly City will be a 100 times better than Villa were yesterday but you'd have to fancy our front three against anyone if they all click again, and a welcome return to form for Clyne yesterday, and prob JWP's best game for Saints. My only grizzle is I hope we play Gazza, he deserves it after yesterday and playing in a 'big' game will do wonders for his development; I love KD and he's been a brilliant club captain but there's no room for sentiment (for me) in a game that has a fair bit riding on it. True but... apart from the Villa game Gazza has not been that great and none of us have had much confidence in him. KD is the more experienced by a mile and will marshal the defence and organise the defence for set pieces better. He has more authority and the players will feel more secure with him behind. So actually I would say for this game, KD would be a perfectly fine. Either way, it's going to be a hell of a ride on the last weekend, but for once, not about our safety but about European qualification from league position!! We could even finish 5th!!! That is so mad! Bring. It. On! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 17 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 17 May, 2015 The last time we played City away on the last day of the season. Coincidentally, our previous game was a 6-1 defeat, shortly before playing Arsenal in the Cup final. Sound familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Swansea 2 - City 4 Swansea can't catch us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Got to go for the win. Is there any chance Morgan or Tadic could be fit for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Got to go for the win. Is there any chance Morgan or Tadic could be fit for this? Sounds like Morgan possibly but not Tadic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 My wife is American, but she is REALLY up for the City game!!!.................... Ever since I told her it's the last game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 My wife is American, but she is REALLY up for the City game!!!.................... Ever since I told her it's the last game of the season. The promise of a High Press has aroused her interest maybe? Will she be relieved or disappointed when she finds out what it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 The last time we played City away on the last day of the season. Coincidentally, our previous game was a 6-1 defeat, shortly before playing Arsenal in the Cup final. Sound familiar. I was there. They had a crappy concert after, and no fans allowed on the pitch. Compare to our last game at the Dell, which wasn't long before, it was a pretty dull way to say goodbye to the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 I agree, we should be positive. Just scored a hatful and we're unlikely to grind out a 0-0. City'a strength is attach but they are susceptible at the back and centre mid. Hopefully Morgan can come in for Davis, otherwise unchanged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Not true, if City win and Arsenal get a point Arsenal are within 6 points of City with 2 to play as they've got Sunderland midweek. However if City win Swansea can't catch us, and if United beat Arsenal as well, they can't catch City and nor then can Arsenal. So we want City and United wins today. Though I'd swap that for Saints, Everton, Palace and Stoke wins next weekend. As it stands at the moment Arsenal would need to overturn a 12 goal deficit on City's Goal Difference to come 2nd. With them having Sunderland midweek and West Brom at home next weekend it's not impossible, but it's not very likely either, especially as there's no difference in what you get for coming 2nd or 3rd in terms of Champions League qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 As it stands at the moment Arsenal would need to overturn a 12 goal deficit on City's Goal Difference to come 2nd. With them having Sunderland midweek and West Brom at home next weekend it's not impossible, but it's not very likely either, especially as there's no difference in what you get for coming 2nd or 3rd in terms of Champions League qualification. You haven't factored in our 6 goal win at Citeh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 You haven't factored in our 6 goal win at Citeh Only a 6 goal win? You are the kind of supporter that disgraces the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 You haven't factored in our 6 goal win at Citeh Irrelevant now, the Arse equalised, so they'd need to fail to beat Sunderland to not have a chance of catching City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Irrelevant now, the Arse equalised, so they'd need to fail to beat Sunderland to not have a chance of catching City. But I think we will only need a draw for 6th and city a point to secure 2nd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 K Davis Clyne Alderweireld Fonte Bertrad Wanyama JWP S Davis Long Pelle Mane Subs: Gazza, Yoshida, Schneiderlin, Elia, Djuricic, Jrod, Reed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Morgan has to start, if fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lickierambert Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Anyone think Kelvin Davis will announce his retirement this week (and will play last game at City)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Anyone think Kelvin Davis will announce his retirement this week (and will play last game at City)? I doubt it, I think he has another year or two left to run on his contract so he'll probably see that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Anyone think Kelvin Davis will announce his retirement this week (and will play last game at City)? Yep. Coaching role next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 (edited) Yep. Coaching role next season. Would you give up a years worth of a Premier League players salary? Who would he coach? In terms of keeper coaches Saints already have... David Watson - 1st team Vince Bartram - Under 21's Ryan Flood - Under 18's and others for younger age groups Edited 17 May, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Think Kelvin will always be ready to put on his gloves for SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 17 May, 2015 Share Posted 17 May, 2015 Would you give up a years worth of a Premier League players salary? Who would he coach? In terms of keeper coaches Saints already have... David Watson - 1st team Vince Bartram - Under 21's Ryan Flood - Under 18's and others for younger age groups Good points but he won't play on. Something will get sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Just WIN and let Karma take care of the rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 We must win this to secure as high a place as possible. It will likely be a draw though ... 1-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 If the front 3 play like they did on Saturday we have a chance. I'm a bit worried that our CM might be a bit lightweight (apart from Wanyama obviously) when we are put under sustained pressure, which we surely will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Palace winning at Anfield was totally unexpected and now we have this huge incentive to beat City. If Saints reach 63 point, Liverpool and/or Tottenham only stay above us if they win their games at Stoke and Everton. Clearly a strong possibility that one or both of those games will be a home win or a draw. If Tottenham, lose, then even a draw at City would move us up to 6th but getting above Liverpool would be fantastic after Roger's raid on our club last year. Last season petered out very tamely, but this couldn't be more different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Yeah, so basically... Liverpool will finish 5th Spurs 6th Saints 7th Swansea 8th Only bring back this post to haunt me if you're prepared to put your name down for similar treatment of I'm right! I agree with you, but you never know.... I fancy us to at least draw with city. Maybe even get the win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Spurs will throw it. Pochettino really doesn't fancy Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Spurs will throw it. Pochettino really doesn't fancy Europe. Not according to his comments this year the arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Last season petered out very tamely, but this couldn't be more different. Last season didn't 'peter out very tamely'. From our last 3 games we beat Everton and Swansea, and then drew to Man United at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Going to be an interesting last 20mins to this game no matter what the score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 I think a draw will get us 6th, as I can see Everton turning spurs over. It's a really interesting end to the season for a change, lots to play for. All of us vying for 5th/6th/7th have very tough away games. Anything could happen. I'm just glad we don't have to worry about what may be behind us now, that should take the pressure off somewhat - we can just go out there and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 18 May, 2015 Share Posted 18 May, 2015 Such a shame we don't have a proper goalie for this one as you know to get a result there you keeper is going to need a 7/10 performance minimum. Can see something like 4-2 City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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