sandwichsaint Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 Footballers eh? More spin than Strictly ..... .
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 Says the right thing without saying anything. But could be worse.
the saint in winchester Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 It's clear he would stay with us if it was his choice to make. But .. it isn't ... Atletico hold the cards, they own him and can sell him to whomever they choose to, or retain him. But it is nice to hear him staying he would like to stay.
SO16_Saint Posted 14 May, 2015 Author Posted 14 May, 2015 Do we not have first refusal at an already agreed price?
S-Clarke Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 Do we not have first refusal at an already agreed price? If Atletico decide they want to keep him, they give us £1.8m to buy out that clause.
SNOWY Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 I see it as positive, 50/50 I would say, What a boost heading into the summer break if he signs.
Andy_Porter Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 If Morgan goes we need to make this signing, imagine how crap we will be at moving the ball out from the back without Toby and Schneiderlin. Grim.
Saint_clark Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 If Morgan goes we need to make this signing, imagine how crap we will be at moving the ball out from the back without Toby and Schneiderlin. Grim. I wonder how other teams manage to move the ball out from the back without these two?
iansums Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 If Atletico decide they want to keep him, they give us £1.8m to buy out that clause. I believe we can buy him for £6M. So if anyone is prepared to offer more than £7.8M and Atletico don't want him then he'll probably go. Personally I think he's worth double that.
mrfahaji Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 It's clear he would stay with us if it was his choice to make. But .. it isn't ... Atletico hold the cards, they own him and can sell him to whomever they choose to, or retain him. But it is nice to hear him staying he would like to stay. This sums it up really. Only advantage we have is essentially a £2m discount vs all other clubs (if he is sold at all) and therefore slightly stronger bidding position. If we can get him for, say, £13m instead of £15m, I can see us going for it, but if it goes up to somewhere near £18m/£20m, then I can't.
Andy_Porter Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 I wonder how other teams manage to move the ball out from the back without these two? Every other team in the league struggle - United are crap at transitions without Carrick, Chelsea are probably the best in the league with Terry and Fabregas, City really struggle to build from the back etc. It's something we're very good at which we will struggle to replicate without those two.
Saint_clark Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 I believe we can buy him for £6M. So if anyone is prepared to offer more than £7.8M and Atletico don't want him then he'll probably go. Personally I think he's worth double that. There's nothing to say we can ONLY offer £6million though.
Sammy_Saint Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 It is vital for us to keep him if we want to progress as a club. Hes a class above and one of our few 'big names', also great hair!
igsey Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 There's nothing to say we can ONLY offer £6million though. Precisely. I think we should be prepared to stump up a decent sum for him. If Lovren's worth £20m, what's Toby worth??
Olly Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/20150514-toby-alderweireld-pre-southampton-aston-villa-2455876.aspx Just came up on the club website.
redkeith Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 Athletico can call him back, but they can't make him sign for anyone else. If he doesn't think he will get a regular game at say Utd City or Chelsea, then I don't think that he would be interested. He would be better off doing a Winston Bogarde, wait till his contract runs out and the pick his own club.
doddisalegend Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 It is vital for us to keep him if we want to progress as a club. Hes a class above and one of our few 'big names', also great hair! Two things a) it really isn't vital it would be great to keep him he is a talented player but he is only one player (one that has been injured quite a bit this season to) b) the club doesn't have much say in this this he is still an Atletico player they have have the final say. Atletico have already said they want him to return to play for them next season.
Saint86 Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 I believe we can buy him for £6M. So if anyone is prepared to offer more than £7.8M and Atletico don't want him then he'll probably go. Personally I think he's worth double that. If he refuses to sign for anyone else then athletic will sell him... its that or he costs them £1.8m plus the remainder of his wages without being interested. If we want him, and he truly does love it here.... then he is as good as ours.
davefizzy14 Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 If he refuses to sign for anyone else then athletic will sell him... its that or he costs them £1.8m plus the remainder of his wages without being interested. If we want him, and he truly does love it here.... then he is as good as ours. Hopefully!!!
Ken Tone Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 If he refuses to sign for anyone else then athletic will sell him... its that or he costs them £1.8m plus the remainder of his wages without being interested. If we want him, and he truly does love it here.... then he is as good as ours. Quite. So really it will come down to ...... does he love it enough to stay with us if a really big team want him, and will pay him a lot more?
djharvey Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 It's clear he would stay with us if it was his choice to make. But .. it isn't ... Atletico hold the cards, they own him and can sell him to whomever they choose to, or retain him. But it is nice to hear him staying he would like to stay. Him and his agent will have a reasonable amount of influence on where he ends up. He does not have to go to just any team atletico want to sell to (if they do sell). Just hoping we can reach a deal with the player/agent and atletico. If we pull it off then it's massive!
Golden Balls Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 Would be an unbelievable signing. But things that are too good to be true, usually are.
brmbrm Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 Course he wants to stay - he wants those stripes on his car!
Redslo Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 Precisely. I think we should be prepared to stump up a decent sum for him. If Lovren's worth £20m, what's Toby worth?? I think the transaction reflected our belief that Lovren was not worth 20 million. Athletico can call him back, but they can't make him sign for anyone else. If he doesn't think he will get a regular game at say Utd City or Chelsea, then I don't think that he would be interested. He would be better off doing a Winston Bogarde, wait till his contract runs out and the pick his own club. I thought that was doing a Nathanial Clyne.
Patrick Bateman Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 If we sign him permanently I will be utterly gobsmacked. Not quite "Keeganesque", but an incredible signing all the same.
St Chalet Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 If we sign him permanently I will be utterly gobsmacked. Not quite "Keeganesque", but an incredible signing all the same. I think you may be gobsmacked.
Patrick Bateman Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 I think you may be gobsmacked. I really hope so ... but something nagging away at me tells me it's all too perfect. Jay signing, positive news from Clyne, positive news from Toby ... guess we were surprised last summer!
angelman Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 I've always wondered why other clubs seem to be able to keep their players (if they want) and get them to sign extensions, while we can't. Am I mistaken in this? I sort of look at Everton who manage to keep their players (seemingly so), and maybe WHU. I'm not referring to the likes of NUFC, who aren't interested in keeping, but prefer to cash in.
Turkish Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 I've always wondered why other clubs seem to be able to keep their players (if they want) and get them to sign extensions, while we can't. Am I mistaken in this? I sort of look at Everton who manage to keep their players (seemingly so), and maybe WHU. I'm not referring to the likes of NUFC, who aren't interested in keeping, but prefer to cash in. Everton have sold Fellani, Arteta and Rodwell in recent seasons to bigger clubs. So I would stop wondering pal.
dubai_phil Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 Gonna have to be careful when you guys try to learn the High Press over the weekend. Got a strong feeling a lot of you could end up being Gobsmacked if you aren't careful. This whole thing sounds like a very professional roll out of news and hype, typical of an IT Industry product launch. Think the only curve ball I have seen is the signing of James Rodriguez, Colombia, Burnley, whatever, but I get the feeling we're in for a very hyper "buy your ST's & Pre Order your kit now" run of news and releases. Toby & Clyne? Could even already be done deals.
angelman Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 Gonna have to be careful when you guys try to learn the High Press over the weekend. Got a strong feeling a lot of you could end up being Gobsmacked if you aren't careful. This whole thing sounds like a very professional roll out of news and hype, typical of an IT Industry product launch. Think the only curve ball I have seen is the signing of James Rodriguez, Colombia, Burnley, whatever, but I get the feeling we're in for a very hyper "buy your ST's & Pre Order your kit now" run of news and releases. Toby & Clyne? Could even already be done deals. Oh how disappointing as I renewed my ST weeks ago.
The9 Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 If we sign him permanently I will be utterly gobsmacked. Not quite "Keeganesque", but an incredible signing all the same. I'd get his name on a shirt, and I NEVER get names on shirts.
Patrick Bateman Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 I'd get his name on a shirt, and I NEVER get names on shirts. I'd buy a shirt and I never buy shirts (apart from the dark grey FlyBe one for the gym and the sash one, just because)
FloridaMarlin Posted 14 May, 2015 Posted 14 May, 2015 I'd get his name on a shirt, and I NEVER get names on shirts. The letters for CLyne would cost you a lot less than Alderweireld.
Ohio Saint Posted 15 May, 2015 Posted 15 May, 2015 Toby's words have been so positive in our favour that a reversal on our new-found hopes would spark a wave of disappointment and vitriol toward the board......Something is going on here, and I'm expecting to be wildly surprised and delighted. Oh crap. I'm going to be so peed off when I get proven wrong
Saint86 Posted 15 May, 2015 Posted 15 May, 2015 I am feeling very optimistic about Toby. If he really wants to be here then he will sign for us as Athletico have essentially no choice other than to pay ~£1.8m to spite themselves. As for the standard of player he falls under. For me he has the potential to be the best saints signing I can remember. If we can sort out his injuries I think he is better than Morgan.
St Chalet Posted 17 May, 2015 Posted 17 May, 2015 Interesting that KBilly (on the Clyne thread) is saying he will go. I'd previously heard the player wants to stay but it all depended on the price, maybe Athletico have now named there's and we have declined. Still, nice that they paid us £1.5m to have him for a season!
sotonist Posted 17 May, 2015 Posted 17 May, 2015 Interesting that KBilly (on the Clyne thread) is saying he will go. I'd previously heard the player wants to stay but it all depended on the price, maybe Athletico have now named there's and we have declined. Still, nice that they paid us £1.5m to have him for a season! yes, unless toby is just humouring us, and I don't see why he would bother, it seems the only reason why he should not join is that atletico are keeping him or we cannot afford to compete for him.
Badger Posted 17 May, 2015 Posted 17 May, 2015 yes, unless toby is just humouring us, and I don't see why he would bother, it seems the only reason why he should not join is that atletico are keeping him or we cannot afford to compete for him. Ideally, would love him to stay. But if he isn't /can't stay for whatever reason, then I hope the decision is made swiftly and we can move on to our next major coup such as Virgil VD , or the bloke from Nants.
S-Clarke Posted 17 May, 2015 Posted 17 May, 2015 I may be wrong on this, but going by Football manager - which to be fair, is usually pretty solid on release clause figures/contract values etc......Toby has a 13 million euro hard release clause, so if they do recall him then he can go for 13m anyway - i'd still pay that. I think it's up in the air to be honest. I don't think he'll get the football he wants every week @ Madrid, may be wrong, but I think their current 2 of Miranda and Godin (and Jiminez as well) are outstanding. He'd be 4th choice CB (unless they know they're losing 1 of those 3..?) But if Madrid do then accept to sell him, I think we're in pole. You could say that Madrid do hold all the cards, they do in effect have the power...but player power can also talk, as we found. If he knows he's not going to be getting week in, week out football at Madrid then I can't see him accepting their decision.
mrfahaji Posted 17 May, 2015 Posted 17 May, 2015 I may be wrong on this, but going by Football manager - which to be fair, is usually pretty solid on release clause figures/contract values etc......Toby has a 13 million euro hard release clause, so if they do recall him then he can go for 13m anyway - i'd still pay that. I think it's up in the air to be honest. I don't think he'll get the football he wants every week @ Madrid, may be wrong, but I think their current 2 of Miranda and Godin (and Jiminez as well) are outstanding. He'd be 4th choice CB (unless they know they're losing 1 of those 3..?) But if Madrid do then accept to sell him, I think we're in pole. You could say that Madrid do hold all the cards, they do in effect have the power...but player power can also talk, as we found. If he knows he's not going to be getting week in, week out football at Madrid then I can't see him accepting their decision. 13m euros is only... About £10m? Take the £1.8m off and you're looking at a figure pretty close to our original option anyway!
The9 Posted 17 May, 2015 Posted 17 May, 2015 I'm sure MLG will have some idea about the accuracy of that contract clause...
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