9-3 Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 When we signed Forster we still never had a capable back up goalkeeper, Davis virtually retired, Gazz way off from Premiership. You can't rely on just one decent goalkeeper, so this has been a reality. At this moment we have no goalkeeper for the start of next season, so if we buy a new goalkeeper, who will be his back up? Forster won't be back until January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Second season in a row not having a decent back up has cost us points, I'm astounded that nobody at the club bothered to address the issue this season. It's been said that we'll get a loan in next season as cover for Forster, but I still think we need to unload Gazza and buy a proven keeper as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Second season in a row not having a decent back up has cost us points, I'm astounded that nobody at the club bothered to address the issue this season. It's been said that we'll get a loan in next season as cover for Forster, but I still think we need to unload Gazza and buy a proven keeper as well. To this day, still feel the Boruc situation was handled very badly by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 To this day, still feel the Boruc situation was handled very badly by the club. 100% Koeman's handling of goalkeeping situation really has come back to haunt club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 To this day, still feel the Boruc situation was handled very badly by the club. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 100% Koeman's handling of goalkeeping situation really has come back to haunt club Haunting us all the way to 7th place irene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Haunting us all the way to 7th place irene. Newsflash season isn't done yet goatboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Newsflash season isn't done yet goatboy Newsflash: I didn't say it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Newsflash: I didn't say it was. Sorry I thought that was what you meant by 7th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintroyt Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Look at the stats ff organised the defence like all quality keepers since his injury and Davies taking over (not saying Davies has not been a great servant to the club)but we seem to be leaking goals again maybe no direction from the man between the posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 To this day, still feel the Boruc situation was handled very badly by the club. Really? Or was it simply that Boruc was not prepared to stay and fight for his place / be a number 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Our inability to put the ball in the back of our opponents goal is our downfall. Koeman and Co's tactics have ruined our goalscoring ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Really? Or was it simply that Boruc was not prepared to stay and fight for his place / be a number 2? Boruc wasn't given the choice, and was shunted out of the club by Koeman who didn't like the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Really? Or was it simply that Boruc was not prepared to stay and fight for his place / be a number 2? You can't fight for something there isn't and why should you accept second place when you know your good enough not to be. Anyway old argument that really doesn't matter Saints are suffering for lack of goalkeeping decency and Bournemouth flourished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irene Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Boruc wasn't given the choice, and was shunted out of the club by Koeman who didn't like the guy. 100% correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Sounds like he kicked up a massive stink which gave the club no choice but to move him on. I'm not saying he was wrong to do that, his choice if we wanted a guaranteed place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 So, if Irene Boruc's bullsh*t was true, who would you rather the club backed and kept hold of? Boruc or Koeman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Think in the summer we should get a top keeper in on a season long loan and buy a decent backup as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 You can't fight for something there isn't and why should you accept second place when you know your good enough not to be. Anyway old argument that really doesn't matter Saints are suffering for lack of goalkeeping decency and Bournemouth flourished We have flourished, we're seventh and we don't need Artur Boruc. We may have needed a more reliable back up keeper right now, but that's not quite the same thing. Artur has done a jolly good job in the lower league this season so do give him a pat on the head and a little well done from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 It was bloody obvious to everyone and their dog that we needed a decent back-up GK. But Reed and RK gambled on FF not getting injured or suspended. And they lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Sorry I thought that was what you meant by 7th Since when does "7th" mean "season over"? " 7th" just means seventh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Every single other team in the BPL has a half decent back up. Ours are nowhere near good enough for even a lower championship team. And we all know we will sign only one keeper, Forster will be out for much longer and we'll risk again having inadequate keepers featuring for 2-3 games. Prove me wrong Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 When we signed Forster we still never had a capable back up goalkeeper, Davis virtually retired, Gazz way off from Premiership. You can't rely on just one decent goalkeeper, so this has been a reality. At this moment we have no goalkeeper for the start of next season, so if we buy a new goalkeeper, who will be his back up? Forster won't be back until January. ......if we're lucky ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 It was bloody obvious to everyone and their dog that we needed a decent back-up GK. But Reed and RK gambled on FF not getting injured or suspended. And they lost. tbf ...this was already a problem when we first got back up to the Prem. 3 seasons ago. Boruc was a good stop-gap (given those crazy lapses in discipline), but most good Prem. sides have TWO international level GKs......and they fight it out for the shirt. With Forster out....we had no reliable alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 "Goalkeeper situation our downfall" what exactly is our downfall ? missing out on the champs league ? I think you'd find that it was the lack of goals this year that has caused that. Is this being our best ever premier league finish classified as a downfall ? All I can presume is this thread was made by a mate of Irene's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 "Goalkeeper situation our downfall" what exactly is our downfall ? missing out on the champs league ? I think you'd find that it was the lack of goals this year that has caused that. Is this being our best ever premier league finish classified as a downfall ? All I can presume is this thread was made by a mate of Irene's. Yes "downfall" is a bit extreme. Nevertheless, this was a golden, once in a lifetime, opportunity to finish in a Champion's League place. If we'd been able to do it, it's possible we could hold on to Toby, Morgan, Nathan etc. and recruit some other quality players, cementing our position near the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Yes "downfall" is a bit extreme. Nevertheless, this was a golden, once in a lifetime, opportunity to finish in a Champion's League place. If we'd been able to do it, it's possible we could hold on to Toby, Morgan, Nathan etc. and recruit some other quality players, cementing our position near the top. Are we going to have a whole summer of this stuff? Hint: we weren't going to finish top four this season. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Not having a second striker is a bigger downfall imo. Pelle stopped scoring, hardly anyone else did, results dried up, we've struggled ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Not having a second striker is a bigger downfall imo. Pelle stopped scoring, hardly anyone else did, results dried up, we've struggled ever since. Absolutely, Davis and Gazzaniga have played a handful of matches between them, we not scored in so many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Absolutely, Davis and Gazzaniga have played a handful of matches between them, we not scored in so many more. I don't disagree that our faliure to score has been a major factor in not maintaining momentum for the last three months, but our defence has conceded two per game since FF was injured, and has cost us points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 (edited) I don't disagree that our faliure to score has been a major factor in not maintaining momentum for the last three months, but our defence has conceded two per game since FF was injured, and has cost us points. Yes, but also during that time haven't we had Toby out, Morgan out and Wanyama out? Anyway, we've been poor up front since the end of Jan. Edited 10 May, 2015 by Webby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Yes, but also during that time haven't we had Toby out, Morgan out and Wanyama out? Anyway, we've been poor up front since the end of Jan. We had injuries last season as well, the nub of the affair is that last season Rickie,Jay and Adam scored 37 goals between them, how many have the current shower of shît that we call strikers scored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 how many have the current shower of shît that we call strikers scored? That's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Yes, but also during that time haven't we had Toby out, Morgan out and Wanyama out? Anyway, we've been poor up front since the end of Jan. Valid point of course, although the defence does also look a bit more jittery with KD, or PG behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 (edited) Former Saints keeper, 56 year old Dave Beasant on the bench for Stevenage tonight in the League 2 playoffs. Could he do a job for us? Edited 10 May, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Former Saints keeper, 56 year old Dave Beasant on the bench for Stevenage tonight in the League 2 playoffs. Could he do a job for us? Can't be any worse than Gazzaniga. Sign him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Really? Or was it simply that Boruc was not prepared to stay and fight for his place / be a number 2? I think it was as much about Forster not wanting to have to fight another keeper for his spot. From day one it looked like he was guaranteed to be number one. I can't blame Boruc for leaving, but we should never have let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Not having a second striker is a bigger downfall imo. Pelle stopped scoring, hardly anyone else did, results dried up, we've struggled ever since. Nailed it i think our goalscoring ability was also crucial and our youth policy to start youngsters didnt seem to play out well this season ...maybe we have dried up in this area but im sure ron would have given them a chance if they were any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Nailed it i think our goalscoring ability was also crucial and our youth policy to start youngsters didnt seem to play out well this season ...maybe we have dried up in this area but im sure ron would have given them a chance if they were any good. ..or if Gallagher had not been injured for about eight months.Seagar is the interesting one though, seems to rated highly, but obviosly not considerred ready for the league, although I'd have thought he might have been worth a 10-15 minute gamble when we needed someone to poach a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Of coarse we need two international keepers but one would soon lose their spot in which ever national team playing back up. I can think of several non international keepers that would make good back up but the prefer playing every week in the prem.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Not having a quality backup goalkeeper was a gamble that didn't pay off, but I do think it was the right gamble. You would like those odds normally. How many other goalkeepers had a season ending injury this year? We know about our offensive woes, but we were managing it before Forster's injury. It all fell apart after that Burnley game in which Forster went down. -- 6 games since Burnley : 4 points -- last 4 games - 2 goals allowed each game. In the previous 32 games we had only allowed more than 1 goal allowed 4 times. We were averaging less than a goal allowed per game before Forster's injury. If we took away 1 allowed goal for each of our last 6 games we would have 9 points over the last 6 games, not 4 points. We would have gone 2-3-1 and not 1-1-4. We would be in 5th place with 62 points.. but then again if my Aunt Ella had nuts she'd be my uncle. look, we have had 4 straight games where we have given up 2 goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Not having a quality backup goalkeeper was a gamble that didn't pay off, but I do think it was the right gamble. You would like those odds normally. How many other goalkeepers had a season ending injury this year? The season-ending bit is irrelevant. How many other keepers have had an injury which has kept them out for half a dozen games is more pertinent? It was a silly gamble to take. Chances are very high that during a season your No 1 keeper will be unavailable for a number of games, either through injury or suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 (edited) .........look, we have had 4 straight games where we have given up 2 goals All good points, but, I feel that it's not just about the keeper. In those most recent games we haven't had our strongest defence and defensive midfield on the pitch. At the end of the day, backup for schneiderlin/wanyama was deemed to be Toby. Toby's backup is Yoshida. Forster's backup is Davis. None of them are as good as the players they stood in for. That's the crux of it. Edit: We somehow won at Newcastle without Schneiderlin, Wanyama AND Toby, but Newcastle have shown themselves to be absolute cack and Elia actually produced something that day. Edited 11 May, 2015 by Webby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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