stevy777_x Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Right I've compiled the statistics, since the Newcastle game, on minutes Eljero Elia has been on the pitch, we have scored a total of 1 goal! The goal Pelle scored against Hull in 81st minute and Elia was not part of the move that led to the goal. Is that pure coincidence or one of the reasons why our creativity has been **** poor in the second half of the season? Watching him today, doesn't offer any width at all. He's pacey, has some skill on him but i'm not sure if he fits into our style of play. No creativity seems to be coming from him. What are your thoughts? Also, do you think we should sign him in the summer (rumored fee 4m). Not much of a risk but I think we can find better, I don't think it is a case of mainly filling up our squad just because we might be playing more games next year (if we do end up qualifying for the europa league). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Send him back. One match wonder, shows little in the way of courage or anything else. Spend our money on someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Send him back. One match wonder, shows little in the way of courage or anything else. Spend our money on someone else. Won't get much for the price of Elia....not that it's a reason to keep him...Koeman binkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Won't get much for the price of Elia....not that it's a reason to keep him...Koeman binkie. Agreed but add it to £10m for a striker or use it for wages. Don't waste £4m on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 He's trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 He's trash. Yep, both him and Djuricic are total gash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbot79 Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I think Djuricic is full of potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick.capitain Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 http://find-yourselfheree.blogspot.com/2015/05/messi-star-from-another-planet.html Messi Star from another planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Delia is awful. Been saying so for months. Also said a waste getting him on loan when a youngster could have given a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I think Djuricic is full of potential Based on what? His contribution so far? I must have missed something. Being technically comfortable on the ball and able to pass sideways a few yards doesn't make him full of potential. He's also 24 I think so hardly a nipper due to suddenly hit his straps and improve a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 awful player. been saying it for a few weeks. is our famed academy/U21 cup winners really worse than him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 awful player. been saying it for a few weeks. is our famed academy/U21 cup winners really worse than him? Isgrove must be worth a shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Imagine if we had a player like that Jason Puncheon instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Completely average player who regularly fails to add anything to the team. On the whole I would say RK's signings have been pretty crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Completely average player who regularly fails to add anything to the team. On the whole I would say RK's signings have been pretty crap. Well I'm sure that he doesn't sign them all by himself. We were without a recruitment manager for a while though and he no doubt profitted from that to bring in players he personally rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I remember roughly the same statistic being true of Mane when he first arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 You can see that Elia wants to do well. He has the work rate but the ball never falls for him. Every 50/50 goes against. He'd probably make a better striker than an attacking midfielder. But no-one else will ever get a look in for as long as Pelle is fit it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 You can see that Elia wants to do well. He has the work rate but the ball never falls for him. Every 50/50 goes against. He'd probably make a better striker than an attacking midfielder. But no-one else will ever get a look in for as long as Pelle is fit it seems. And yet when we dropped Pellè we got one of our better results of the season, Koeman's blind faith in him makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Anyway with Elia perhaps the FA commission will notice him going over the top on Mahraz and give him a suspension. Doubt if we'll get that lucky though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 And yet when we dropped Pellè we got one of our better results of the season, Koeman's blind faith in him makes no sense whatsoever. It isn't just Pelle at fault. He'd probably do a lot better if he was supported by another striker. It is Koemans persistence in playing 1 up front supported by attacking midfielder's over and over and over and over.. regardless of the result. The only changes he seems to make are like-for-like replacements and rarely a switch in the formation. Hopefully this season will be a learning experience for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Based on what? His contribution so far? I must have missed something. Being technically comfortable on the ball and able to pass sideways a few yards doesn't make him full of potential. He's also 24 I think so hardly a nipper due to suddenly hit his straps and improve a lot Have you not just described Steven Davis of the past 3 seasons? Reference Elia, blaming one player (who's started half of the games since Newcastle) for the scoring form of the entire team is simplistic in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Have you not just described Steven Davis of the past 3 seasons? Reference Elia, blaming one player (who's started half of the games since Newcastle) for the scoring form of the entire team is simplistic in the extreme. Steven Davis has contributed MASSIVELY to this team over the last 3 years, hugely. Silly to think otherwise. Elia on the other hand is trash. And if we do end up signing him, I will start to wonder wtf we're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Bertrand and EE were having a stand up row for most of the first half! Shame that partnership with Tadic has gone amiss. McQueen is better than Elia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Really disappointed in him tbh He showed so much promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donatello Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Steven Davis has contributed MASSIVELY to this team over the last 3 years, hugely. Silly to think otherwise. Elia on the other hand is trash. And if we do end up signing him, I will start to wonder wtf we're doing. He\She was referring to Djuricic. Furthermore, they were discussing player attributes, not player history\contribution - can be treated separately (IMO). But you've essentially proved my point A 'limited' player can contribute, as you say, "massively". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 The frustrating thing is you can tell Elia is a very talented player,his skills at times are amazing to watch, I also think he has got a half decent shot and cross on him unlike some of our players. Trouble is he is not imposing himself on games, too much showboating at the wrong times and doesn't seem on same wavelength as his team mates. To be honest though I don't think all the blame can be put at his door, our attack is just not clicking at moment in this formation with pell'e up front, our most dangerous players end up wide,none of the players getting forward in the middle like ward prouse or Davis want to take much responsibility in shooting or creating so it just ends up with a winger or full back knocking in a ball that the statue pell'e gets nowhere near. Our whole attacking strategy needs a major tweak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Very wise to only loan him. Worth a punt, has not really paid off, move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Don't rate him at all. That said the corners he took against Spurs were brilliant. That's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 I do feel a bit sorry for Elia. Coming into a waning side in January... I'm sure he's tried to adapt, but has made little impact.... (aside from the Newcastle game) I'm not convinced he'd ever become a regular - even on the bench. If he had Wanyama's physique, and Bremen were giving him a free transfer...I'd say yes, otherwise NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 These loans of Elia and Djuricic have been more like extended trials. They've both failed though buy at least we're not stuck with them for three years or so. Sensible policy by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 But Coxford Lou said he was potentially to be world class, many also agreed. so now I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 But Coxford Lou said he was potentially to be world class, many also agreed. so now I'm confused. I don't think fair to judge them on this season alone. They come in half way through in a league a they're unfamiliar with, and not had a preseason. I think preseason makes an enormous difference both both players and manager. I think next season we'll make an enormous step up - Koeman will be savvier about the Premier League, players will connect more. Just hope we don't have to completely rebuild the team. Elia I'm not so confident on, seems a funny lad, Djuricic I'd like to see us persist with, I really think he's what we need, and nothing like Ramirez in style. I also said Mane looked amazing when everyone else was sl*gging him off. I just don't feel the need to smugly reference it. (PS, no need to be such a c*ck, Noodles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 For me, I'm in two minds. I kind of want him to do one and not come back, but then, if he's cheap (couple of million?) and is happy to be a squad player, then we keep him just in case we go on that European tour ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 (edited) Swear I saw a fan of his club say the future fee agreed was 2.5m euros or something which under £2m, if his wage demands are lowered from his current club which he'll have to to join us. At that price you'll struggle to find a better deal for a squad player who plays on the wing. I think he's been good in some games but not existant recently. Love how every player is dismissed as really poor players on this site by some people after a handful of starts (Pelle, Mane etc) Edited 10 May, 2015 by Saint IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 The first 4-5 games he showed plenty of promise but now seems to be too predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 The first 4-5 games he showed plenty of promise but now seems to be too predictable. ......in the beginning he had a defined role, but coming on for " player X " for a quarter of a game doesn't help him establish any real pattern of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Right I've compiled the statistics, since the Newcastle game, on minutes Eljero Elia has been on the pitch, we have scored a total of 1 goal! The goal Pelle scored against Hull in 81st minute and Elia was not part of the move that led to the goal. Is that pure coincidence or one of the reasons why our creativity has been **** poor in the second half of the season? Watching him today, doesn't offer any width at all. He's pacey, has some skill on him but i'm not sure if he fits into our style of play. No creativity seems to be coming from him. What are your thoughts? Also, do you think we should sign him in the summer (rumored fee 4m). Not much of a risk but I think we can find better, I don't think it is a case of mainly filling up our squad just because we might be playing more games next year (if we do end up qualifying for the europa league). If the rumoured fee is £4million, it puts a real sense of perspective on the £3million peanuts we sold Cork for....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 If the rumoured fee is £4million, it puts a real sense of perspective on the £3million peanuts we sold Cork for....... Length of contract? Cork would have been out of contract this suummer so he could have gone for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 If the rumoured fee is £4million, it puts a real sense of perspective on the £3million peanuts we sold Cork for....... Or we could have let him go for nothing this summer. That would have been really smart. Because Cork is just such an invaluable player we just couldn't live without him for these last few months. Just imagine how different our season would have been with such a crucial member of our midfield, carving out those chances and banging a few in from 20 yards which is what we've missed so much in our midfield Or, maybe, we got a decent fee for a decent, but not spectacular, player who was going to leave on a free this summer no matter what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Let him go. Not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Or we could have let him go for nothing this summer. That would have been really smart. Because Cork is just such an invaluable player we just couldn't live without him for these last few months. Just imagine how different our season would have been with such a crucial member of our midfield, carving out those chances and banging a few in from 20 yards which is what we've missed so much in our midfield Or, maybe, we got a decent fee for a decent, but not spectacular, player who was going to leave on a free this summer no matter what he may have signed a new deal after playing more games....we do no know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Someone who's made plenty of appearances for the full Dutch squad, and people are suggesting he's no better than Sam McQueen etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Someone who's made plenty of appearances for the full Dutch squad, and people are suggesting he's no better than Sam McQueen etc. And played in the 2010 World Cup final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 And played in the 2010 World Cup final. Kanchelskis had a pretty impressive career history when he came here but he was absolute gash. We can only judge what we've seen, he's had half a season and not impressed. Ta-ta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 And played in the 2010 World Cup final. Torres was pretty good in the 2010 WC as well. Players peak and then drop away. All I remember about that final was the brutality of the Dutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Kanchelskis had a pretty impressive career history when he came here but he was absolute gash. We can only judge what we've seen, he's had half a season and not impressed. Ta-ta! I must say I've not been all that impressed so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 I'd sign Elia if we qualify for the Europa, I think we'd get him relatively cheaply, he knows our squad and how the club works, what's being asked of him, he's got a decent workrate defensively and he's shown what he can do going forward on a few occasions. The kind of player that we'd need to cope with a European season. Initially promising partnership with Bertrand doesn't seem to be working at the moment, but I suspect that's as much due to the lack of options in the box as anything - they regularly get as far as the edge of the box by exploding using overlapping play towards the goal-line and then nothing comes of it because there's no cross on, the ball is cut back and goes sideways for 2 minutes. Not sure Djuricic can even say that much, though he's got a little bit more flair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 he may have signed a new deal after playing more games....we do no know Cork was a backup who wanted to play more, and wasn't going to be able to with Schneiderlin and Wanyama ahead of him. Even allowing for the likelihood of injuries to one or both, the improved deal Cork would want for a player who was STILL going to be a back up at the level we want to be at, compared to buying someone new potentially on lower comparable wages than Cork would have wanted, plus still getting money for him in January made selling him a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyton Lundekvam Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 Going against the grain but I would like us to persist with Elia. Some of the touches he showed in his first few games were sublime and demonstrated that he's got genuine quality in there somewhere. His form has admittedly been patchy/poor since then but it can't have helped that the team as a whole has struggled for any kind of consistency or fluidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 May, 2015 Share Posted 12 May, 2015 What we should be asking ourselves before we spalsh 3 or 4 million or whatever it is is do we have a player in the academy who can do the job just as well (at least). If not we need to ask ourselves why not and then pay the money because Elia is a very ordinary player.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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