Turkish Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Slaughtered on here as being league one standard by some. Lucky as he plays behind such a good defence by others. But the proof is in the pudding that's 2 clean sheets in 8. Even with our first choice back 4 today we looked dodgy at the back at times. So is Forster better than some wished he would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Slaughtered on here as being league one standard by some. Lucky as he plays behind such a good defence by others. But the proof is in the pudding that's 2 clean sheets in 8. Even with our first choice back 4 today we looked dodgy at the back at times. So is Forster better than some wished he would be? Every player gets steadily better when they're not playing, but we do miss him badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Every player gets steadily better when they're not playing, but we do miss him badly. Massive blow when Forster was injured. It is not just about Forster's ability but crucially the relationship built between GK and defence. This breeds confidence and almost a VIth sense in knowing where each player is which is especially crucial when under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 We certainly miss a correct alternative...horrendous decision that. Boruc was never going to stay as second keeper but we could have got someone else. Davis is old and slow, Gazzaniga..well leopards don't change thir spots and Cropper just seems to be there to keep the US federation happy for some reason or other. Really don't see why we didn't persist with Davis, he's not good but then neither are any of the others. Seems to be a completely random decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 (edited) We miss Forster but not as much as some suggest. We'd become very poor even with him. We'd have a couple more clean sheets, be sat 6th and things would be rosy, but attacking wise we'd still be diabolical. I mean today was pathetic. You can lose and concede a couple anywhere I can handle that whoever is in goal. But to never threaten to score, to give a relegation fighting team a win that easy? Pathetic. It's been months of awful football in the final third. Just clueless. We werent poor defensively though, we just couldnt score. Now we cant score or prevent others scoring. Turks has a point (as per usual), he was absolutely hammered on here whenever he put the slightest foot wrong. Now he is injured and our back up is a frankly not good enough gazzaniga or the laughably slow motion davis we are in trouble. Edited 9 May, 2015 by Smirking_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Can't see Gazzanega ever reaching Prem standard. Today was his opportunity to impress and he did the opposite. Unimpress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 We werent poor defensively though, we just couldnt score. Now we cant score or prevent others scoring. Turks has a point (as per usual), he was absolutely hammered on here whenever he put the slightest foot wrong. Now he is injured and our back up is a frankly not good enough gazzaniga or the laughably slow motion davis we are in trouble. I see that Koeman categorically refused to discuss the reasons for the selection of Gazzaniga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I think most of the intelligent debate was based around whether FF was an improvement on Boruc and worth spending £10m on. I personally think yes as there is a significant age gap between them. I'm not sure where the whole 'League 1 keeper' thing came from. Probably one trolling idiot like alpine said it and Turk's is doing his usual trick of purporting that it was a widely held belief. Why Kelvin was given a contract extension or Gazza signed at all I have absolutely no idea. Neither have shown anything close to Premier League ability at any point in their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I see that Koeman categorically refused to discuss the reasons for the selection of Gazzaniga. He is a top bloke but you cant compare him to the prem veterans, harper, schwarzer, green, all streets ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 He is a top bloke but you cant compare him to the prem veterans, harper, schwarzer, green, all streets ahead Who Gazzaniga ? personally I'd compare him to the average 15 year old kicking about on Sholing Rec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I see that Koeman categorically refused to discuss the reasons for the selection of Gazzaniga. He did give his reason. He wants to see him play and make a decision on whether he's good enough for next season. Kelvin will play at City to get his 300th appearance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 He did give his reason. He wants to see him play and make a decision on whether he's good enough for next season. Kelvin will play at City to get his 300th appearance Not on the video I saw, he said he didn't discuss individual players. Perhaps before the match he gave that reason, afterwards he categorically refused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Not on the video I saw, he said he didn't discuss individual players. Perhaps before the match he gave that reason, afterwards he categorically refused. He stated quite clearly in his interview with Solent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 He stated quite clearly in his interview with Solent Well then why did he refuse to discuss Gazzaniga on the You Tube video, there's a link on another thread. 3 minutes in, he's absolutely categoric about it, doesn't discuss individual players...although we know he does when he slagged off a couple after the Everton loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Well then why did he refuse to discuss Gazzaniga on the You Tube video, there's a link on another thread. 3 minutes in, he's absolutely categoric about it, doesn't discuss individual players...although we know he does when he slagged off a couple after the Everton loss. https://audioboom.com/boos/3166245-reaction-saintsfc-boss-ronald-koeman-speaks-to-bigadamsport-after-2-0-defeat-at-leicester#t=2m19s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Who Gazzaniga ? personally I'd compare him to the average 15 year old kicking about on Sholing Rec. Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Perhaps Koeman played Gazza today as he's offering him in part exchange for a decent Championship keeper and wanted clubs to see him in action. He's only 23 and still has time to maker the grade. Nigel Adkins being an ex goalkeeper himself, must have seen something in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Not on the video I saw, he said he didn't discuss individual players. Perhaps before the match he gave that reason, afterwards he categorically refused. Interviewed on Solent he said he wanted to look at Gazza to decide if he would be up to it next season. Soz. Read the whole thread Goatytw*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Interviewed on Solent he said he wanted to look at Gazza to decide if he would be up to it next season. Oh dear, poor Gazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Forster kicks with both feet. The defence trust him. That's why we miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 I'm not Forster's biggest fan, but when your back up is Gazzaniga then of course you are going to miss your regular goalkeeper, no matter who they are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Not on the video I saw, he said he didn't discuss individual players. Perhaps before the match he gave that reason, afterwards he categorically refused. He was quite clear on Solent that Gazzanega would get the Leicester and AV games to demonstrate his capabilities. Kelvin would get the city game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 On bad kick isn't enough to judge him on. No chance with the first goal, did nothing else wrong. OK, he's not Premier League standard but he's not that bad a keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 Forster kicks with both feet. The defence trust him. That's why we miss him. this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 On bad kick isn't enough to judge him on. No chance with the first goal, did nothing else wrong. OK, he's not Premier League standard but he's not that bad a keeper. agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 On bad kick isn't enough to judge him on. No chance with the first goal, did nothing else wrong. OK, he's not Premier League standard but he's not that bad a keeper. Only thing going against him is he's from South America and not Europe...........and we need a whipping boy........last one was Guly....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 9 May, 2015 Share Posted 9 May, 2015 this Yes this +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 He's better then Davis and Gazzaniga. What a new and exciting revelation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 He did give his reason. He wants to see him play and make a decision on whether he's good enough for next season. Kelvin will play at City to get his 300th appearance Think PG has a contract till 2016.,so it's his chance to show if he's got potential. Even a 3rd choice GK, must be able to DAJFU ..or why do we consider keeping him? I haven't changed my opinion since last season's fiasco appearances. At least he'll be " show-cased " for other clubs to see him. My big worry is ... if he makes a repeat performance next weekend - and we lose v. Villa - even our 7th place Euro spot may be in danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 How close is Cody Cropper to any sort of 1st team involvement? At 22 (I thought he was younger before I looked this up), surely he needs to be pushing on if he's ever going to make it and his call ups for the US full national side don't seem to tally with being nowhere near our 1st team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 He's better then Davis and Gazzaniga. What a new and exciting revelation Indeed, retrospectively obvious from the usual suspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Either Gazzaniga is up to it or he isn't and I cannot see any sense in testing him out now unless there is thinking in the management team that we're not ready for Europe yet and they want us to get caught by Swansea. By all accounts Fonte and Toby were poor yesterday - where are the knives for them and in particular Toby who probably has his bags packed already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 May, 2015 Author Share Posted 10 May, 2015 He's better then Davis and Gazzaniga. What a new and exciting revelation He was getting absolutely slammed on here every time we conceded a goal a while back. He was described as league one level by some, others said he was just lucky to play behind a decent back four which papered over his deficiencies. since he's been out it's shown that he's a lot better and more valuable to the team than a lot of the experts on here thought he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 On bad kick isn't enough to judge him on. No chance with the first goal, did nothing else wrong. OK, he's not Premier League standard but he's not that bad a keeper. This is what I thought. It was a terrible kick, but how Fonte, Clyne, and Toby all then failed to tidy up or put a tackle in was abysmal. And that's before you realise they all went to the ball and left Mahrez alone less than 12 yards out. Once that happened Gazza was screwed. Not sure he could do much about the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 This is what I thought. It was a terrible kick, but how Fonte, Clyne, and Toby all then failed to tidy up or put a tackle in was abysmal. And that's before you realise they all went to the ball and left Mahrez alone less than 12 yards out. Once that happened Gazza was screwed. Not sure he could do much about the first. That kick was something we have seen from him time and time again. it leads to goals, The defence were all over the place immediately because of it and gave the ball to the opposition in our last 3rd. Kicking like that is just not acceptable. He offers zero confidence for the defence, they simply refused to pass to him it seemed after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 That kick was something we have seen from him time and time again. it leads to goals, The defence were all over the place immediately because of it and gave the ball to the opposition in our last 3rd. Kicking like that is just not acceptable. He offers zero confidence for the defence, they simply refused to pass to him it seemed after that Really? In general, his distribution is one of the better parts of his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 Really? In general, his distribution is one of the better parts of his game. apart from when he shanks the ball. it has cost us goals before. when he does not shank the ball, it is pretty good. Trouble is, he is good for absolute howlers and it is still happening he needs a whole season in the Championship on loan being a no.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 He was getting absolutely slammed on here every time we conceded a goal a while back. He was described as league one level by some, others said he was just lucky to play behind a decent back four which papered over his deficiencies. since he's been out it's shown that he's a lot better and more valuable to the team than a lot of the experts on here thought he was. By the sounds of it Gazzaniga and Davis are being slammed for every goal conceded as well, so there doesn't appear to be any bias at least. He's obviously not League One standard, but he's a mid table keeper at best. If you replaced Pelle with Gallagher it'd obviously make Pelle look better then he is, despite still being not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 I just knew Gazzaniga would get it. He wasn't the reason we lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 How come our academy can produce all sorts of players but never a goal keeper? Was the last decent first team keeper Gerry Gurr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 We haven't played Fonte+Toby plus VW+MS since the game we lost FF..... coincidence? I don't think so, those four are as good as anything in the league and clearly a level above any of the other combinations that we have played there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 10 May, 2015 Share Posted 10 May, 2015 I just knew Gazzaniga would get it. He wasn't the reason we lost. True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 How come our academy can produce all sorts of players but never a goal keeper? Was the last decent first team keeper Gerry Gurr? for a time at least, Gerry Gurr was an exception, but " good young keepers " (I'm saying under 25) are few and far between, and whilst you can introduce an younger defender, or striker ......a young, inexperienced keeper is quickly " found out ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Slaughtered on here as being league one standard by some. Lucky as he plays behind such a good defence by others. But the proof is in the pudding that's 2 clean sheets in 8. Even with our first choice back 4 today we looked dodgy at the back at times. So is Forster better than some wished he would be? By a mastermind-esque process of elimination, it's either Forster or Schneiderlin at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 Only thing going against him is he's from South America and not Europe...........and we need a whipping boy........last one was Guly....... I'd say his lack of ability at this level is more significant. He made one decent save and couldn't do anything much with the other 2, but his awful kick pretty much led to the 2nd goal (bad defending afterwards also contributing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 11 May, 2015 Share Posted 11 May, 2015 How come our academy can produce all sorts of players but never a goal keeper? Was the last decent first team keeper Gerry Gurr? Our much vaunted academy cannot (or does not) produce "all sorts of players". It produces very successfully it seems, full backs and attacking midfielders as well as full backs who turn out to be good attacking midfielders. It has not produced a proper striker for years (though maybe Sam Gallagher is one for the future and I don't really class Walcott as a striker). It has not produced a defensive midfielder in years, nor a centre back (but there's hope that Turnbull and Stephens may be getting near being good enough) and it has not produced a goalkeeper. Its not necessarily the Academy's fault, it is more a fault of the Academy system, underlying the misguided belief that players of all positions develop at the same age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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