Elmore Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 More **** to add to the **** we've got already. I eagerly await chief scout Lowes next exciting aditions. How about giving them a chance before continuing with your year-long whine?
SaintRobbie Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 (edited) How about giving them a chance before continuing with your year-long whine? Elmore - you're right I grant you that... but given Lowe's record thus far I see why scepticism may just tempt an awful lot of people to post such things. Yes, we should support them. But we need experienced strong defenders and strikers (loans if necessary) to stay out of the relegation zone... not more children... Edited 1 January, 2009 by SaintRobbie
saintjay77 Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Skacel must be off, no other reason for signing another left back. Amazed Smith has got a deal, he is lightweight. Another Left Back????? Can you tell me who else in our squad is a left back? The way I see it is the new lad will be 1st choice LB before too long and mills will be his replacment with Skacel either gone or moved into midfield, Surman gone or staying in Midfield but if you look at the probable left side after the window is shut we will have the new lad as LB and Holmes on the Left wing. Surman and Skacel will probably be playing somewhere else but if they are still here they will be down the centre of out midfield.
saintjay77 Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Elmore - you're right I grant you that... but given Lowe's record thus far I see why scepticism may just tempt an awful lot of people to post such things. Yes, we should support them. But we need experienced strong defenders and strikers (loans if necessary) to stay out of the relegation zone... not more children. TBF Smith was already here and had he been fit for his spell here then he probably wouldnt have been given another 6 months now. It would have either been the boot or a 2 year contract. The 6 months is just to see if he is going to cut it or not IMO. the other lad is a good move as we just dont have any recognised LB's. Skacel is there as a need but does anyone think we are getting the best out of him there? Add to that Skacel and Surman are probably 2 of our players that could actually get a fee if they moved on there chances of still being here in feb are pretty slim so getting a LB is a good move. As for Lowes previous form for getting players its been pretty much 50/50 on the players that seem to be his choices. the managers that have also brought players in dont have any better record IMO though.
SaintRobbie Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 As for Lowes previous form for getting players its been pretty much 50/50 on the players that seem to be his choices. the managers that have also brought players in dont have any better record IMO though. 50/50!?! Methinks not... I suspect 10/90 at best - frankly Lowe has been buying League below standard players for over a decade. Agree with you over need for LB though - but only because Lowe is shipping out Skacel at the earliest opportunity.
St_Tel49 Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Not sure at all about Smith. Seemed a rushed and desperate loan when we first got him, and have seen nothing to think differently. At least Molyneux is an orthodox full back, and I suppose the jury will be out until he's played a few games. The idea that he is a replacement for Skacel was something that crossed my mind. Unfortunately there is a significant element of the jury on here that are happy to condemn without trial.
eelpie Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 More **** to add to the **** we've got already. I eagerly await chief scout Lowes next exciting aditions. How about a 'd'?
SaintDonkey Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 I think Smith could yet prove a decent signing - saw him playing for the Arse back in the day and he definetely had potential then and he's shown flashes of what he's capable of for us. A free signing for 6 months on Millwall reserve wages seems worth a punt to me. Cover at leftback seems sensible to me - especially as Skacel is one of the more salable assests who I wouldn't be devestated if we sold. The way I look at it Surman, Lallana, Davis and Skacel are the most likely to attract offers and out of that lot I'd much rather sell Rudi.
Mr X Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 'the most uninspiring signings in the world ever volume 27' no better than weve got, still a signings a signing i guess so lets be grateful
SaintDonkey Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Still wish we'd sign a big arse centre back and a right back though!
Chez Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Another Left Back????? Can you tell me who else in our squad is a left back? Skacel and Mills.
krissyboy31 Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Still wish we'd sign a big arse centre back and a right back though! Razor Ruddock?
skintsaint Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Duffy being told he can find another club from Pompey, would be worth a punt and free.
saintjay77 Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 50/50!?! Methinks not... I suspect 10/90 at best - frankly Lowe has been buying League below standard players for over a decade. Agree with you over need for LB though - but only because Lowe is shipping out Skacel at the earliest opportunity. looking at the current signings (as i doubt JP had that much to do with them) how many have been a bag of pooh and how many have been half good? Morgan is a gooden but smith (jury still out?) hasnt impressed so far. Gasmi is another that hasnt impressed so far but looks like he is in the plans so we should get to find out if he is a gooden or not. Who else is there? Pulis? Again the jury is out but im in the camp that will be suprised if he is going to be any good for us. Holmes has been good for us and Pearce wasnt too bad either so we are at about 50/50. Im not saying thats good enough and it shows him up as being no scout. It does mean however that with a 50% success rate he will continue bumbling along with us showing some signs of a recovery and some signs of failure.
Chez Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 I think Smith could yet prove a decent signing - saw him playing for the Arse back in the day and he definetely had potential then and he's shown flashes of what he's capable of for us. A free signing for 6 months on Millwall reserve wages seems worth a punt to me. Smith is the same player he has always been. A few flashy tricks, a lack of genuine pace and no real desire to get stuck in when called for. He is lightweight, far too easily bullied off the ball and one kick and he's out of the game. The one thing I like is when he gets to the byeline, if he does that 6 or 7 times a game then that can only help us. Best of luck to the lad. 6 month deal on peanuts is smart.
saintjay77 Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Skacel and Mills. Skacel is a left midfielder who can play at left back, same as surman is a left midfielder that can play at left back. so the only recognised left back we have is mills like i said before. add to that the chances of skacel and surman being gone do you not think getting a LB in was a good move?
Chez Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Duffy being told he can find another club from Pompey, would be worth a punt and free. why have Coventry not bought him? He's been there on loan several times, surely if he was good enough they would snap him up?
Chez Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Skacel is a left midfielder who can play at left back, same as surman is a left midfielder that can play at left back. so the only recognised left back we have is mills like i said before. add to that the chances of skacel and surman being gone do you not think getting a LB in was a good move? I think it was a very good move. I can't stand Skacel at left back, he swicthes off and looks like he doesn't give a **** half the time. I like Mills but he is reckless. I hope Molyneux is quality.
Gorgiesaint Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 I think it was a very good move. I can't stand Skacel at left back, he swicthes off and looks like he doesn't give a **** half the time. I like Mills but he is reckless. I hope Molyneux is quality. Agreed - Skacel is far better employed further forward (or somewhere else depending on your view ) I see Richard Duffy is being released by Pompey & is available on a free. CHDAJFU ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/7807161.stm Youngish right back (23) who was highly rated but not been able to break through at Pompey - available on a free
badgerx16 Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 I agree with you Ryan Smith seems to be surplus to requirements Certainly was at Millwall
BotleySaint Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 I am sure both will look great in League 1 next year. We are obviously preparing for that now.
BotleySaint Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Certainly was at Millwall My Millwall supporting mate assures me that Ryan Smith has quality but he also has attitude. He doesn't work hard enough so the fans turned against him a bit. He feels he is better than he actually is. Still, its only 6 months..
Big Ron fan Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Good to sign a left back i suppose... Hope Scacel plays left midfield now or is Rupert selling some more of the experience ????? Smith very average at present so we will see,just one thing though Only Millwall reserve and we sign him,why did they not want him? I hope these are followed by a couple experienced players . But what i reall want is portvliet gone and a proper man brought in. Because they seem to be a club on the way up?
aintforever Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Don't get the Smith one but thank god we finally have a left back. Skacel's been doing an OK job there but it's a waste playing him there, he will be way more use further forward.
SFKA South Woodford Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 6 months for Smith? Jury's out on this lad so fair enough no big commitment. Good luck to the scouse lad. Might get a nice debut v Ronaldo on Sunday! Skacel could play left mid then, where he should imo. I've seen Smith twice now and thought he was too lightweight the first time I saw him play when he first arrived. However, I saw him against Plymouth, where he was head and shoulders above any of the other Saints players, his play down the wing was good and he had the defender in his pocket with pace and some exceptional skill. I spoke to a guy sitting behind me that day who said that he wasn't impressed the first time he saw him in action either, but had changed his mind on his performance on Boxing Day. I think he may well be another Fabrice, a very frustrating player, in that on his day he wouldn't be out of place in the premier, but on others would struggle to get in a non league team. Let's just hope he shows what he can do more often, than he fails to deliver.
saint lard Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Hermann Heriederson (sp) has been released from the skates,shame we are skint.
corky morris Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Everton season ticket holding client of mine says Molyneux was very much 4th choice behind Lescott, Baines & another younger lad who has jumped above him & been on the bench. Acid test will be when he plays. He cant be as bad as that O'Hallaran kid who came from Villa! Can he?
Stu Man Do Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 So all we need now is a centre back or two, a right back and a goalscoring centre forward and all our problems are solved............................ I noticed Duffy (Right back) at Portsmouth is supposedly off on a free, had lots of championship experience with various loans and played at Swansea before that. Can't comment on how good he is anyone else got any idea?
ypbl Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Can't imagine he, Lallana or Surman will play, as being cup-tied will reduce their value. The only thing that might work in our favour here is that we're the last 3rd round tie being played, so, for arguments sake, if Surman is on the verge of signing for Stoke next week and they're already out of the cup by Saturday evening it won't make a difference whether he plays for us or not (unless he gets injured!).
aintforever Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Surely signing two players means that the rumours of being close to administration are complete bull****e?
Alain Perrin Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 50/50!?! Methinks not... I suspect 10/90 at best - frankly Lowe has been buying League below standard players for over a decade. Agree with you over need for LB though - but only because Lowe is shipping out Skacel at the earliest opportunity. Yep. Rasiak, John, Schiederlin, Holmes, Delap, Higgy, K Jones, Niemi, Svensson Beattie Crouch All League 1 (or Championship standard for those signed when in the Premiership)..... not For every duffer there's a diamond. I don't see Saints as being any better or worse than any other club (I bet Everton really rate Beattie's purchase)
St Marco Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Not really sure these are wise moves for us. It adds even more money to the wage bill and is another gamble for us. Smith has been an awful addition for us. Injured for most of the season then puts 2 really average if not worse displays in. Saw nothing from him to make me believe he will be the answer to our goal scoring/creating problems. As for Molyneux cant really comment on the lad as he has never played a competative game of football in his life. Was in the England under 16s though but that was over 3 years ago. Played in a reserve game against Liverpool in 06 season. Guess we have to give the boy a chance but for a 19 year old (20 next month) to never have played a game is a bit worrying and makes me wonder how Jan actually got to see him play to think he was good enough to sign? Lets hope the boy does well for us.
Mole Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 How about giving them a chance before continuing with your year-long whine? There's no point. They'll be **** end of - Lowe chose them.
hypochondriac Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Not really sure these are wise moves for us. It adds even more money to the wage bill and is another gamble for us. Smith has been an awful addition for us. Injured for most of the season then puts 2 really average if not worse displays in. Saw nothing from him to make me believe he will be the answer to our goal scoring/creating problems. As for Molyneux cant really comment on the lad as he has never played a competative game of football in his life. Was in the England under 16s though but that was over 3 years ago. Played in a reserve game against Liverpool in 06 season. Guess we have to give the boy a chance but for a 19 year old (20 next month) to never have played a game is a bit worrying and makes me wonder how Jan actually got to see him play to think he was good enough to sign? Lets hope the boy does well for us. Meh. Lee Holmes seemed like a rubbish signing but has actually done really well so far (IMO). Lets hope this guy does as well.
aintforever Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 It does look like the club's policy is to sign shed loads of young players in the hope that one of them turns out to be the next Walcott/Bale/Jones and sold for huge profit. In theory a good idea, in practice will probably get us relegated. Is two new inexperienced youngsters really what we need in the team?
St Marco Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Meh. Lee Holmes seemed like a rubbish signing but has actually done really well so far (IMO). Lets hope this guy does as well. Indeed the guy deserves a chance but we have to be realistic he is not going to be some future prem class player is he. For someone to be so old but yet never play for any team is a bit odd. If you compare that to say Cork who is younger he has played 60 competative games etc.. Holmes is a player who i felt was doing really well until he got injured. Since he has returned he has not really been the same player. It will take awhile for him to get back to match fitness but when he does im sure he will come good again.
Iowsaintsfan Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 I noticed Duffy (Right back) at Portsmouth is supposedly off on a free, had lots of championship experience with various loans and played at Swansea before that. Can't comment on how good he is anyone else got any idea? Last time i saw him play i thought he would be a useful addition for us, but thats when we could afford players wages, i think even though hes on a free will be a problem
hypochondriac Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Indeed the guy deserves a chance but we have to be realistic he is not going to be some future prem class player is he. For someone to be so old but yet never play for any team is a bit odd. If you compare that to say Cork who is younger he has played 60 competative games etc.. Holmes is a player who i felt was doing really well until he got injured. Since he has returned he has not really been the same player. It will take awhile for him to get back to match fitness but when he does im sure he will come good again. A) He isn't old B) You have no idea at all what future class he will be. Kenwyne Jones was an awful player before we molded he and he improved dramatically. C) You can't judge that Holmes is not really the same player after 2 games! D) Players mature at a different rate. I doubt he will be as good as Cork at the moment and it may be that he is not a premiership class player. The thing is we aren't in the premiership. He only has to be a better LB than Skacel to improve the team, and it can't be that hard.
SaintsAddict Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 I believe that we are a defence away from a fairly decent side: Davis New RB New CB New CB New LB Dyer Schneiderlin Surman Skacel Saga BWP/McG Hopefully Molineux is one piece of that. Its just a shame that no money means that we probably can't play those players in the same team.
Andoverian Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 The manager takes off Smith at half time against Reading after a very poor display and then low and behold we give him a permanent deal despite the fact that he is not wanted at ant price by a team in a division below us. Seems to me that Lowe has been meddling again. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the manager had absolutely no say in the matter. God help the "manager" and God help us ! !
70's Mike Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Do these two signings send a message that their is no REAL TALENT in our own academy ?
SaintRobbie Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Yep. Rasiak, John, Schiederlin, Holmes, Delap, Higgy, K Jones, Niemi, Svensson Beattie Crouch All League 1 (or Championship standard for those signed when in the Premiership)..... not For every duffer there's a diamond. I don't see Saints as being any better or worse than any other club (I bet Everton really rate Beattie's purchase) LOL that's nowhere near 50/50!
hypochondriac Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 LOL that's nowhere near 50/50! Certainly not 10/90...
Chez Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 Meh. Lee Holmes seemed like a rubbish signing but has actually done really well so far (IMO). Lets hope this guy does as well. has Holmes actually done anything yet? If he is the benchmark then god help us.
saintjay77 Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 LOL that's nowhere near 50/50! well at least i was trying to argue about the ones that we think Lowe was responsable for signing. lol. most on that list can be put down to managers choices more than lowe's. I still think the 50/50 is not far off though as there have been a fair few that we thought would be arse and turned out good but loads that get forgotten pretty quickly as they come in and keep our reserve team topped up for a while before we let them go.
70's Mike Posted 1 January, 2009 Posted 1 January, 2009 my fear with these signings is that they appear to be repeating the problem of 2003 , he are signing squad players and not ones that will automatically improve the first team.
corky morris Posted 2 January, 2009 Posted 2 January, 2009 my fear with these signings is that they appear to be repeating the problem of 2003 ' date=' he are signing squad players and not ones that will automatically improve the first team.[/quote'] That is exactly what i was thinking. Sign loads of players around the squad - none of which add any real quality rather than 1 or 2 that could actually make a difference, but cost a bit more.
ulstersaint Posted 2 January, 2009 Posted 2 January, 2009 That is exactly what i was thinking. Sign loads of players around the squad - none of which add any real quality rather than 1 or 2 that could actually make a difference, but cost a bit more. That was Lowe's strategy last time we got relegated and it seems he has not learned from his mistake. But of course, as Lowe is perfect, he would not recognise any of his decisions as mistakes.
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