Schniderlin to spurs for players plus cash???

[Graffito]

Meanwhile, I think Townsend is predictable and easy to defend against sh01te, and an absolute waste of a shirt. I'd much rather that we didn't sign him at all.

 

Then again, I was a bit like that about Bertrand, but he's playing better for us than he has for anyone else so far, and I'm not sure Townsend has that improvement in him.

 

Agreed that Schneiderlin won't sign for Spurs, makes no sense at all.

 

Perhaps it was also partly that you got it wrong.

[doddisalegend]

Perhaps it was also partly that you got it wrong.

 

[jasoneuelllfanclub]

If Morgan ends up at Spurs then that will be a big slap in the face to Saints given he has publicly made it known he wants to play in the Champions League. He can do so much better than Spurs. He can play for any of the top 4 and in my opinion he wouldn't look out of place playing for Barcelona, he is that good. I think these stories are coming from Spurs to deliberately unsettle the team and maybe Morgan. Why the **** Saints would take Townsend and Stromboli in exchange is beyond me esp Stromboli. Garbage story.

[Chez]

 

What I am saying, is that after last summer, easier to keep an open mind about what you want to believe. Simply dismissing something that does not sit right with you is just plain daft

 

which is exactly the reason why I won't be ignoring the recent paper talk about Victor. Direct quotes, followed by semi confirmation by the player and then a massive backtrack suggests to me that Arsenal have talked with his agent.

 

I recall there was a `rogue/loose' tweet by Luke Shaw at the very start of the summer that indicated he was off to Man U. The tweet was removed, but obviously he went there. Incidences like thee should not be ignored as `paper' talk. There is a lot of that and its sometimes hard to see the wood for the trees, but when a manager is photographed at someone else's training ground with his sons in tow, that usually means he is off!

[Turkish]

cortese never sold our players last summer. despite what some think

 

What I am saying, is that after last summer, easier to keep an open mind about what you want to believe. Simply dismissing something that does not sit right with you is just plain daft

 

He didn't actually sell them but he was a big part of the reason they were sold. Cortese promised them the moon on the stick. That we'd be In the champions league, that we'd be making big signings to improve on what we had and crucially that it would only happen if he was here. He was the reason why the club was where it was, well that's what he had everyone believe. Meanwhile behind the scenes his foundations built on sand were slipping away. He'd made promises he wasn't in a position to keep. He didn't have agreement for the loans he took out, he didn't stick to the budget for the training ground, he wasn't building the club brand or

Commercial revenue streams. He was effectively playing a real life game of football manager with someone else's money. So when the owners wanted to know what was going on with their money it all started to unravel.

 

Players saw the man that they thought as the keys to unlock the padlock into the top four removed from his position and new people with a more realistic and measured approach come in. They didn't tell people what they wanted to hear, the didn't make promises they weren't able to keep but many saw that as a lack of ambition, when in truth corteses much lauded ambition were just words.

 

Clearly players were going to be tempted by moves to big clubs but behind the scenes and in the media there was a lot of stirring going on, Cortese was using his favoured hacks to run stories to unsettle players and fans and keep alive the myth without the club didn't have a future. Coincidence that those he cosied up to and were full of gushing praise for us when he was here were now finding every reason to slate us. Coincidence David Bick, employed by Cortese and a specialist in protecting the reputations of individuals was becoming more prominent In all things SFC related in the media, yet atrangly never anything positive. Coincidence that 3 local journalists all said Cortese was sh*t stirring in the media?

 

Yes Brett, the peoples chairman, the man whose name many of you sung, the man who was hero worshipped by the masses, the man who people sided with over club legends who gave their life to the club, the man who people made every excuse for when a bad word was uttered about was stabbing you all in the back and p*ssing in the wound.

[mrfahaji]

Someone should release a statement along the lines of "We would be interested in a part exchange deal with Tottenham if the deal involved Hugo Lloris, Christian Eriksen or Harry Kane. However, while a move to Southampton would be a step forward for them, we realise that these players should be, and will want to be playing Champions League next season, something that unfortunately we, nor Tottenham for that matter, can offer them."

[Jez]

When was the last time a player swap actually happened?

 

Shearer to Newcastle, with Beattie coming the other way for £1m of the overall deal. No swaps ever since then

[timayes]

Someone should release a statement along the lines of "We would be interested in a part exchange deal with Tottenham if the deal involved Hugo Lloris, Christian Eriksen or Harry Kane. However, while a move to Southampton would be a step forward for them, we realise that these players should be, and will want to be playing Champions League next season, something that unfortunately we, nor Tottenham for that matter, can offer them."

 

To add fuel to the speculation around that release, my mate claims he saw Harry Kane at St Marys on Sunday. It is just a rumour though, I was with my mate all day, and I didn't see Harry Kane at all!

[timayes]

*Damn, Saturday. Meant Saturday. EDIT!

[hypochondriac]

Shearer to Newcastle, with Beattie coming the other way for £1m of the overall deal. No swaps ever since then

 

Bale for Forecast and cash.

[Cricketphilly]

Shearer to Newcastle, with Beattie coming the other way for £1m of the overall deal. No swaps ever since then

 

Wasn't that Blackburn Rover methinks?

[The9]

Perhaps it was also partly that you got it wrong.

 

I don't think there's much argument that he's been better for us than either Chelsea or (especially) Villa, for whom he was remarkably unremarkable last season.

[The9]

He didn't actually sell them but he was a big part of the reason they were sold. Cortese promised them the moon on the stick. That we'd be In the champions league, that we'd be making big signings to improve on what we had and crucially that it would only happen if he was here. He was the reason why the club was where it was, well that's what he had everyone believe. Meanwhile behind the scenes his foundations built on sand were slipping away. He'd made promises he wasn't in a position to keep. He didn't have agreement for the loans he took out, he didn't stick to the budget for the training ground, he wasn't building the club brand or

Commercial revenue streams. He was effectively playing a real life game of football manager with someone else's money. So when the owners wanted to know what was going on with their money it all started to unravel.

 

Players saw the man that they thought as the keys to unlock the padlock into the top four removed from his position and new people with a more realistic and measured approach come in. They didn't tell people what they wanted to hear, the didn't make promises they weren't able to keep but many saw that as a lack of ambition, when in truth corteses much lauded ambition were just words.

 

Clearly players were going to be tempted by moves to big clubs but behind the scenes and in the media there was a lot of stirring going on, Cortese was using his favoured hacks to run stories to unsettle players and fans and keep alive the myth without the club didn't have a future. Coincidence that those he cosied up to and were full of gushing praise for us when he was here were now finding every reason to slate us. Coincidence David Bick, employed by Cortese and a specialist in protecting the reputations of individuals was becoming more prominent In all things SFC related in the media, yet atrangly never anything positive. Coincidence that 3 local journalists all said Cortese was sh*t stirring in the media?

 

Yes Brett, the peoples chairman, the man whose name many of you sung, the man who was hero worshipped by the masses, the man who people sided with over club legends who gave their life to the club, the man who people made every excuse for when a bad word was uttered about was stabbing you all in the back and p*ssing in the wound.

 

Hey, look at that, you can do it if you try.

[JackanorySFC]

Swap deals get talked about a lot in the press but very rarely happen.

 

Absolutely this.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Spurs don't have much money. Their Chairman has already told the Supporters Club that days of big signings are over and they would focus on players in the £10-12m range to develop. The signing of Schneiderlin is a stretch for them financially for the following reasons:

 

1. He would cost more than their supposed new transfer strategy allows

2. He is older than players their supposed new transfer strategy targets

3. Even if they chucked in loads of players into the deal, they would still value it at an amount that goes against their supposed new transfer strategy

4. Daniel Levy is loathe to recover anything less than the fee paid for all his players no matter how crap they have been - he will value Stambouli at least around £5m and Townsend at some silly fee. Saints will laugh at that, as they should.

5. Spurs are not in the Champions League, and you would think for Schneiderlin to join them it would not only take an extraordinary set of circumstances based on the above, but for better teams to drop interest.

[Batman]

Spurs don't have much money. Their Chairman has already told the Supporters Club that days of big signings are over and they would focus on players in the £10-12m range to develop. The signing of Schneiderlin is a stretch for them financially for the following reasons:

 

1. He would cost more than their supposed new transfer strategy allows

2. He is older than players their supposed new transfer strategy targets

3. Even if they chucked in loads of players into the deal, they would still value it at an amount that goes against their supposed new transfer strategy

4. Daniel Levy is loathe to recover anything less than the fee paid for all his players no matter how crap they have been - he will value Stambouli at least around £5m and Townsend at some silly fee. Saints will laugh at that, as they should.

5. Spurs are not in the Champions League, and you would think for Schneiderlin to join them it would not only take an extraordinary set of circumstances based on the above, but for better teams to drop interest.

throw in the new stadium they will have to finance...

[T.REX]

Wasn't that Blackburn Rover methinks?

 

Wasn't it Kevin Davies to Blackburn with Beattie coming here... and i could be wrong but i thought we might have then sent them Egil when Davies came back.

[doddisalegend]

which is exactly the reason why I won't be ignoring the recent paper talk about Victor. Direct quotes, followed by semi confirmation by the player and then a massive backtrack suggests to me that Arsenal have talked with his agent.

 

I recall there was a `rogue/loose' tweet by Luke Shaw at the very start of the summer that indicated he was off to Man U. The tweet was removed, but obviously he went there. Incidences like thee should not be ignored as `paper' talk. There is a lot of that and its sometimes hard to see the wood for the trees, but when a manager is photographed at someone else's training ground with his sons in tow, that usually means he is off!

 

Victor's agent might have been talking to the arse but I cannot believe the club would let Morgan and Victor go in the same summer. So I think Victor will get the same treatment as Morgan did last summer.

[Saint_clark]

Bale for Forecast and cash.

 

We signed forecast about 2 or 3 seasons after bale left.

[farawaysaint]

We signed forecast about 2 or 3 seasons after bale left.

 

For a write off of the sell on clause Can we please never mention this again? Ranks up there with Ali Dia for club debacles and at least he was free.

[Chez]

Victor's agent might have been talking to the arse but I cannot believe the club would let Morgan and Victor go in the same summer. So I think Victor will get the same treatment as Morgan did last summer.

 

you might be right, but what I meant was in the case of Shaw, MoPo and now Victor there isn't smoke without fire and I think that you can take it as red that Arsenal have been in discussion with Victors agent. Hopefully nothing will come of it.

[The9]

For a write off of the sell on clause Can we please never mention this again? Ranks up there with Ali Dia for club debacles and at least he was free.

 

Given that it was an attempt to get as much money into the club to keep us out of admin and get us a young, promising, top flight reserve keeper, I can at least understand the logic.

 

Though hindsight shows it didn't keep us out of admin (which turned out not to be the worst thing ever), cost the club tens of millions from losing out on the sell-on from Bale's enormous future transfer, and that Forecast wasn't even competent at non-League level and Saints had to pay him for 5 years, during which team most of us saw him play for the first team at St Mary's at most once, in a pre-season friendly.

[The9]

so, not liverpool, arsenal and united calling not a factor? they would have turned those clubs down (and the relative mental pay rises) had cortese remained?

 

get out ffs...lets agree to disagree

 

They might have been stupid enough to think he could deliver on his promises - we know already that part of the "financial situation inherited" was the Cortese-instigated bonus scheme, so who knows what unauthorised money-spending he had in mind?

[doddisalegend]

you might be right, but what I meant was in the case of Shaw, MoPo and now Victor there isn't smoke without fire and I think that you can take it as red that Arsenal have been in discussion with Victors agent. Hopefully nothing will come of it.

 

I'm sure Victors agent is touting him to anyone who will listen agents are the scourge of modern football.

[Saint_clark]

For a write off of the sell on clause Can we please never mention this again? Ranks up there with Ali Dia for club debacles and at least he was free.

 

But not a player swap, by any stretch of the imagination.

[saint_roffa]

For a write off of the sell on clause Can we please never mention this again? Ranks up there with Ali Dia for club debacles and at least he was free.

 

To cheer you up: The Suarez millions however ended up at Southampton somehow.

[Lighthouse]

We sold Kenwyne to Sunderland and bought Stern Jhon at the same time, although I think they were officially separate transfers officially. Unofficially, would Jhon have been surplus had they not signed Jones? Probably not.

 

Turned out to be a decent move for us I think. We got £7m after one half decent season and his career since has been largely forgettable. Meanwhile; Jhon's goals pretty much kept us up.

[SarniaSaint]

He didn't actually sell them but he was a big part of the reason they were sold. Cortese promised them the moon on the stick. That we'd be In the champions league, that we'd be making big signings to improve on what we had and crucially that it would only happen if he was here. He was the reason why the club was where it was, well that's what he had everyone believe. Meanwhile behind the scenes his foundations built on sand were slipping away. He'd made promises he wasn't in a position to keep. He didn't have agreement for the loans he took out, he didn't stick to the budget for the training ground, he wasn't building the club brand or

Commercial revenue streams. He was effectively playing a real life game of football manager with someone else's money. So when the owners wanted to know what was going on with their money it all started to unravel.

 

Players saw the man that they thought as the keys to unlock the padlock into the top four removed from his position and new people with a more realistic and measured approach come in. They didn't tell people what they wanted to hear, the didn't make promises they weren't able to keep but many saw that as a lack of ambition, when in truth corteses much lauded ambition were just words.

 

Clearly players were going to be tempted by moves to big clubs but behind the scenes and in the media there was a lot of stirring going on, Cortese was using his favoured hacks to run stories to unsettle players and fans and keep alive the myth without the club didn't have a future. Coincidence that those he cosied up to and were full of gushing praise for us when he was here were now finding every reason to slate us. Coincidence David Bick, employed by Cortese and a specialist in protecting the reputations of individuals was becoming more prominent In all things SFC related in the media, yet atrangly never anything positive. Coincidence that 3 local journalists all said Cortese was sh*t stirring in the media?

 

Yes Brett, the peoples chairman, the man whose name many of you sung, the man who was hero worshipped by the masses, the man who people sided with over club legends who gave their life to the club, the man who people made every excuse for when a bad word was uttered about was stabbing you all in the back and p*ssing in the wound.

 

This

[Redslo]

Someone should release a statement along the lines of "We would be interested in a part exchange deal with Tottenham if the deal involved Hugo Lloris, Christian Eriksen or Harry Kane. However, while a move to Southampton would be a step forward for them, we realise that these players should be, and will want to be playing Champions League next season, something that unfortunately we, nor Tottenham for that matter, can offer them."

 

I have often wondered at the extraordinarily low number of passive aggressive press releases in modern sports.

[Redslo]

throw in the new stadium they will have to finance...

 

The stadium can be financed with money the owners put it. FFP does not limit that kind of spending so it may be irrelevant to their transfer policy.

[lordswoodsaints]

It's not the move Morgan wants,he wants champions league so this would be a sideways move.....more money I expect but I don't think that's what Morgan is about.

[Wrensup]

We sold Kenwyne to Sunderland and bought Stern Jhon at the same time, although I think they were officially separate transfers officially. Unofficially, would Jhon have been surplus had they not signed Jones? Probably not.

 

Turned out to be a decent move for us I think. We got £7m after one half decent season and his career since has been largely forgettable. Meanwhile; Jhon's goals pretty much kept us up.

 

It's john, you're probably thinking of Jhon Viafara.

[stevegrant]

The stadium can be financed with money the owners put it. FFP does not limit that kind of spending so it may be irrelevant to their transfer policy.

Spurs' owners have no intention of putting any of their own money into the stadium project. It's all on a combination of external finance and internal cash in the bank.

 

Quite impressively, despite turning a pre-tax profit of £80m in 2013/14, they successfully managed to plead poverty to Haringey council so they didn't have to contribute £16m towards improving the local transport infrastructure, which is usually a prerequisite on such a large project.

[Bearsy]

Quite impressively, despite turning a pre-tax profit of £80m in 2013/14, they successfully managed to plead poverty to Haringey council so they didn't have to contribute £16m towards improving the local transport infrastructure, which is usually a prerequisite on such a large project.

 

I suppose that's the true story behind Spurs fleeting "interest" in the Olympic Stadium

[stevegrant]

I suppose that's the true story behind Spurs fleeting "interest" in the Olympic Stadium

Yep. A pretty impressive diversion, it must be said.

[Lighthouse]

It's john, you're probably thinking of Jhon Viafara.

 

My mistake.

[sadoldgit]

a) we don't know for sure that Morgan is leaving this summer b) if he decides to go it is his choice as to where c) if he wants to play CL football anytime soon he would be batsh*t crazy to sign for Spuds.

[LaptopSaint]

I think if it turned out Spurs was the only offer for Morgan the conversation would be pretty simple...

 

"Hi Boss."

 

"Hi Morgan."

 

"Spurs have apparently..."

 

"Listen son... Champions League, fair enough. But that shower of sh1te in north London? Do me a favour. Pre-season training starts tomorrow."

[angelman]

a) we don't know for sure that Morgan is leaving this summer b) if he decides to go it is his choice as to where c) if he wants to play CL football anytime soon he would be batsh*t crazy to sign for Spuds.

 

What's changed since last summer.

 

i) Saints have appointed a good manager and are up there with Spurs, who seem just as far from CL as they ever have.

ii) Arsenal have now "discovered" Coquelin, so might not be willing to spend a huge amount if they have him

iii) supposedly other clubs like Chelsea have entered things. Of course, this could well be agent speculation to try and get things moving.

iv) MS has said he doesn't want to watch CL on TV.

 

What hasn't changed is Spuds ability to pay higher wages than us.

 

The thing that I am always interested in, is this Morgan (and other) loves Poch bit. OK, Koeman has been around for half a season less, so I just wonder what all this love for Poch is that isn't reported being the same for Koeman.

[angelman]

Spurs' owners have no intention of putting any of their own money into the stadium project. It's all on a combination of external finance and internal cash in the bank.

 

Quite impressively, despite turning a pre-tax profit of £80m in 2013/14, they successfully managed to plead poverty to Haringey council so they didn't have to contribute £16m towards improving the local transport infrastructure, which is usually a prerequisite on such a large project.

 

Not half as impressive as WHU. They get a £500m stadium, which then has £200m spent on converting it, for £15m for 99 years. This is before taking into account the cost of transport infrastructure (both local and further afield) and the fact that they sold Boleyn for anything up to £70m all so that some people could avoid being responsible for a white elephant.

[mrfahaji]

Not half as impressive as WHU. They get a £500m stadium, which then has £200m spent on converting it, for £15m for 99 years. This is before taking into account the cost of transport infrastructure (both local and further afield) and the fact that they sold Boleyn for anything up to £70m all so that some people could avoid being responsible for a white elephant.

 

Didn't Manchester City get given their stadium too?

[stevegrant]

Not half as impressive as WHU. They get a £500m stadium, which then has £200m spent on converting it, for £15m for 99 years. This is before taking into account the cost of transport infrastructure (both local and further afield) and the fact that they sold Boleyn for anything up to £70m all so that some people could avoid being responsible for a white elephant.

I think West Ham have to pay what's (in context) a peppercorn rent of £2m a year as well, but yeah, it's all a bit of a farce really.

 

Didn't Manchester City get given their stadium too?

The Etihad is still owned by Manchester City Council, I believe. Their deal there certainly used to be that rent payable on the stadium is basically a percentage of ticket sales from attendances above the old capacity of Maine Road. No idea whether that's since been renegotiated as they've pumped silly amounts of money into the local area with the new Etihad Campus, but certainly the club had to pay for the conversion from the Commonwealth Games athletics arena to what it is now, which was about £40m IIRC.

[captainchris]

Haha, the Express and the Standard why do people believe this bo!!ocks?

 

The guy that owns the Express donated £1million to UKIP, that should tell you all you need to know.

 

Oh dear oh dear, a certain lack of tolerance to different views I fear.....

[simo]

Kane plus Townshend plus 5m and they can have Jrod and Morgan!

[max_saints]

i'd take townsend and 20m. but morgan can still do far better.

 

24m + arteta would be a good deal with arsenal.

 

Why would you want to be lumbered with a 33 year old on high wages?? Coquelin + 5m sounds better

[Lighthouse]

I think we will probably end up with about £25m for him, or £35m plus Townsend.

[Smirking_Saint]

i'd take townsend and 20m. but morgan can still do far better.

 

24m + arteta would be a good deal with arsenal.

 

Arteta ? Are you having a laugh ?

 

I would possibly take Townsend, I dont think he is anywhere near as bad as some make out. I just dont see the need. We need a striker, and if we lose Morgan an adequate replacement. Townsend is neither of those

[Unbelievable Jeff]

£10m plus Wilshere...

[Saint_Tony]

My contact at Spurs has informed me they are very keen, and confident of getting him. They think MP might sway his decision.

 

I think he'd be ****ing stupid to go there, but it could well happen. Will see what I can find out about any potential Spurs players being part of the deal

[Redslo]

Spurs' owners have no intention of putting any of their own money into the stadium project. It's all on a combination of external finance and internal cash in the bank.

 

Quite impressively, despite turning a pre-tax profit of £80m in 2013/14, they successfully managed to plead poverty to Haringey council so they didn't have to contribute £16m towards improving the local transport infrastructure, which is usually a prerequisite on such a large project.

 

I suppose that's the true story behind Spurs fleeting "interest" in the Olympic Stadium

 

Not half as impressive as WHU. They get a £500m stadium, which then has £200m spent on converting it, for £15m for 99 years. This is before taking into account the cost of transport infrastructure (both local and further afield) and the fact that they sold Boleyn for anything up to £70m all so that some people could avoid being responsible for a white elephant.

 

Which is why I don't believe the Spurs interest in the Olympic stadium was fleeting.