Turkish Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/573713/Tottenham-Townsend-Schneiderlin-Southampton-Arsenal-gossip http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-to-offer-townsend-or-stambouli-to-southampton-in-bid-to-clinch-20m-schneiderlin-deal-10211885.html Being reported tonight spurs are to bid Townsend or Stambouli plus cash for Schniderlin. The deal itself is being touted at £20m, £5m short IMO. As for The players up for grabs, I'm not a huge fan of Townsend but I can see what he would bring to the table, stambouli would be a like for like replacement for Schniderlin and before he joined spurs was doing very well at Montpeillier. I wouldn't give too much stock to his lack of game time at spurs as as we have seen with MP he has his favourites and if you're not one you don't play. Plus them only paid about £4m for him a year ago so his value won't have gone up in that time. So I'd says deal for £20m + Stambouli or £15m + Townsend, wouldn't be bad business. However, considering Schniderlin said only three or four weeks ago that he didn't want to be sitting in front of his telly Wednesday nights, he wanted to be playing in the champions league then there is little chance of this deal happening. Maybe his agent needs to communicate this to spurs as they don't seem to realise he won't be wanting to join them.
Matthew Le God Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 If Schneiderlin leaves it'll be to a club in the Champions League, which rules Spurs out. Its looking likely both Saints and Spurs will be in the same European competition next season. I'd imagine the club would want a better player than Stambouli to replace him, so I really can't see this happening.
Crab Lungs Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 If Schneiderlin leaves it'll be to a club in the Champions League, which rules Spurs out. Its looking likely both Saints and Spurs will be in the same European competition next season. I'd imagine the club would want a better player than Stambouli to replace him, so I really can't see this happening. No it doesn't rule that move out at all, he had a great relationship with MP so that might swing it a little. And because you want a better type of player to replace MS, doesn't mean it's any likely that we will get one.
Jonnyboy Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 He won't be sitting in front of his telly, he'll be on a plane somewhere for his Saints Europa Cup matches!
Matthew Le God Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 No it doesn't rule that move out at all, he had a great relationship with MP so that might swing it a little. If he is made available for sale then Champions League clubs will want him. Which will mean Spurs then won't get him. And because you want a better type of player to replace MS, doesn't mean it's any likely that we will get one. I said the club would want better. Last summer we sourced better players and improved, I have every confidence in them to do the same again. I doubt that involves getting a replacement that has struggled to make any kind of impression at a close competitor.
Bucks Saint Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 The Standard forever churns out stories of quality players signing for a London club. Go figure.
cellone Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 If he goes to Spurs it will mean Mauricio made a massive impression on Morgan. He will go where he thinks best and fairplay to him. Not keen on him going anywhere but he deserves to play at his level. If we can match the opportunity and remuneration he can get elsewhere then I think he would stay
shurlock Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 If he is made available for sale then Champions League clubs will want him. Which will mean Spurs then won't get him. I said the club would want better. Last summer we sourced better players and improved, I have every confidence in them to do the same again. I doubt that involves getting a replacement that has struggled to make any kind of impression at a close competitor. Our goalscoring record suggests otherwise.
CityRanger Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 Swap deals get talked about a lot in the press but very rarely happen.
Lighthouse Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 I'd really struggle to see the logic in going to Spurs, unless it really is all about money. If that is the case, how come Spurs can offer so much more than Saints? Their ground is only marginally bigger and the prize money between 6th-8th and 5/6/7th isn't really all that. They're already throwing £100kpw at Soldado and Ade to name a couple of players, how can they offer our players a bumper pay rise and still follow FFP.
Dan Johnson Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 I'd really struggle to see the logic in going to Spurs, unless it really is all about money. If that is the case, how come Spurs can offer so much more than Saints? Their ground is only marginally bigger and the prize money between 6th-8th and 5/6/7th isn't really all that. They're already throwing £100kpw at Soldado and Ade to name a couple of players, how can they offer our players a bumper pay rise and still follow FFP. 2012/2013 accounts US Turnover: 14th in league, £72m (up from £23m in 2012) Matchday: £17m Premier League and broadcasting: £47m Commercial activities: £7m Other income: £1m Wage bill: 18th in league, £47m (up from £29m in 2012) Wages as proportion of turnover: 65% Loss before tax: £7m (following £12m loss in previous year) Net debt: £19m Interest payable: £0.6mr Spurs Turnover: 6th in league, £147m (up from £144m in 2012) Match receipts: £33m TV and media: £57m All commercial activities: £57m Wage bill: 6th highest, £96m (up from £90m in 2012) Wages as proportion of turnover: 65% Profit before tax: £4m (up from £7m loss in 2012) Net debt: £55m Interest payable: £8m
Roboze Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 I Think Townsend is a quality player and being wasted at spurs, maybe Po cant get the best out of him, maybe Roko could........ if thats a deal i dont think it would terrible (with a healthy amount of cash as well!), but it would need us to find a replacement for morgan, and yes i agree i dont think he'd go to spurs, it would be a side step, not a step up!! feels good to say that
John Boy Saint Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 Think our fingers are still singed from the last player we got from them as a pay-off from those shysters. still these days we ain't desperate or stupid
Lighthouse Posted 29 April, 2015 Posted 29 April, 2015 2012/2013 accounts US Turnover: 14th in league, £72m (up from £23m in 2012) Matchday: £17m Premier League and broadcasting: £47m Commercial activities: £7m Other income: £1m Wage bill: 18th in league, £47m (up from £29m in 2012) Wages as proportion of turnover: 65% Loss before tax: £7m (following £12m loss in previous year) Net debt: £19m Interest payable: £0.6mr Spurs Turnover: 6th in league, £147m (up from £144m in 2012) Match receipts: £33m TV and media: £57m All commercial activities: £57m Wage bill: 6th highest, £96m (up from £90m in 2012) Wages as proportion of turnover: 65% Profit before tax: £4m (up from £7m loss in 2012) Net debt: £55m Interest payable: £8m Wasn't that from the season after they'd been in the Champions League and we'd just been promoted. I'd be interested to see this seasons figures when they come out, with both teams having modest, top half seasons. I know Spurs are generally better supported than us but I'd be surprised if they're still doubling our turn over.
SarniaSaint Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Is there really any player there that apart from Erickson we would want?? and I include Kane a one season wonder that the London media are in love with????
Saint_clark Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 When was the last time a player swap actually happened?
BlakeySFC Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Haha, the Express and the Standard why do people believe this bo!!ocks? The guy that owns the Express donated £1million to UKIP, that should tell you all you need to know.
Bucks Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Is there really any player there that apart from Erickson we would want?? and I include Kane a one season wonder that the London media are in love with???? Lloris
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Our goalscoring record suggests otherwise. MLG has no opinion other than what the club is currently doing. no matter how he spins it, we have NOT replaced EVERY single player from last season with BETTER players. which is no shame...no team does....
Patrick Bateman Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 The Standard forever churns out stories of quality players signing for a London club. Go figure. Exactly this. It's a **** paper that I glance at on the train home, full of this type of story. I will bet anyone he won't end up at Spurs.
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 But according to Reed Schneiderlin is going nowhere? Bit of a strange comment unless he knows something we don't
TheCholulaKid Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I Think Townsend is a quality player He's terrible. If it did happen (which it won't) that would be the worst swap deal ever. Probably.
DT Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 If he goes there he's a fool. And I'd lose all respect for him. He should go to arsenal. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
beatlesaint Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 (edited) But according to Reed Schneiderlin is going nowhere? Bit of a strange comment unless he knows something we don't And everytime the club say something like that a day or so later a paper prints a story like this, almost like a two fingers up to the club cos a hack in London knows better ! Its strange with Morgan because in his interviews and tweets etc he is very positive, always talking about Saints getting into Europe and such like. For someone who is supposedly going its all a bit too positive. Of course he may just be playing a blinder so that when he leaves its not with a sour taste a la Lovren and the badge kisser. Edited 30 April, 2015 by beatlesaint
Sheaf Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 But according to Reed Schneiderlin is going nowhere? Bit of a strange comment unless he knows something we don't Reed did not actually say that. You might want to re-read his quote.
hypochondriac Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 And everytime the club say something like that a day or so later a paper prints a story like this, almost like a two fingers up to the club cos a hack in London knows better ! Its strange with Morgan because in his interviews and tweets etc he is very positive, always talking about Saints getting into Europe and such like. For someone who is supposedly going its all a bit too positive. Of course he may just be playing a blinder so that when he leaves its not with a sour taste a la Lovren and the badge kisser. I don't think after last year we can say that the papers are full of lies by journalists who have saints. All this sort of stuff was published last summer and dismissed. The majority of it then came true.
Greenridge Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Reed did not actually say that. You might want to re-read his quote. Reed was trying to be clever with his words so that his comments won't come back to haunt him.
Baird of the land Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 If he goes there it will be clear that he doesn't have an interest in playing champions league football. SO i really hope he holds out for a move to a club that is actually in the Champions League. Not interested in any of the makeweights they are offering either, Townsend seems vastly overrated based on brief moments for England that haven't been replicated domestically.
Bucks Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I don't think after last year we can say that the papers are full of lies by journalists who have saints. All this sort of stuff was published last summer and dismissed. The majority of it then came true. Except for most things the Standard assured us about. I have lost track of how many new managers it has said are "set to take over Arsenal" for example
Sour Mash Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 But according to Reed Schneiderlin is going nowhere? Bit of a strange comment unless he knows something we don't
Daft Kerplunk Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 If schneiderlin goes to Spurs then it would be disappointing as they are the direct rival to our ambitions more than anything else. They do have a richer history than us and clearly have more fans generating greater income but they are clearly the team most there for the taking by us before they expand their stadium and leave us behind more in terms of income and player appeal. The rest above are a great deal harder to keep up with. Anyway, if MS genuinely wants Champions League football, he won't go there. And we will replace with someone just as Clasie.
angelman Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 When was the last time a player swap actually happened? I'm sure there is if the respective clubs actually wanted the players. While we looked at Townsend, and still might be, we have a fair few wingers at the moment. He's been involved in 16 league games playing a total of 743 minutes (not curtailed by any injuries). And Stambouli FFS. They signed him this summer, has partaken in 10 league games for a total of 409 minutes (no injuries). Why on earth would we consider taking bit part squad players for what many consider to be our best player. If we were bottom of the league or in the Championship, it might make sense. As it is, we are challenging Spurs and Liverpool for 5th place so the idea of their cast offs is ridiculous.
L1Minus10 Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Paper links us with two players Spurs don't want, in return for the best midfielder in the league. Cute.
hypochondriac Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Except for most things the Standard assured us about. I have lost track of how many new managers it has said are "set to take over Arsenal" for example I'm not saying it will happen but I do laugh at posters who dismiss everything they perceive as negative from any journalist as incorrect. History from last summer shows that this was far from the truth and actually most journalists had a far better idea about what was going on than we did.
The9 Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I Think Townsend is a quality player and being wasted at spurs, maybe Po cant get the best out of him, maybe Roko could........ if thats a deal i dont think it would terrible (with a healthy amount of cash as well!), but it would need us to find a replacement for morgan, and yes i agree i dont think he'd go to spurs, it would be a side step, not a step up!! feels good to say that Meanwhile, I think Townsend is predictable and easy to defend against sh01te, and an absolute waste of a shirt. I'd much rather that we didn't sign him at all. Then again, I was a bit like that about Bertrand, but he's playing better for us than he has for anyone else so far, and I'm not sure Townsend has that improvement in him. Agreed that Schneiderlin won't sign for Spurs, makes no sense at all.
The9 Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I don't think after last year we can say that the papers are full of lies by journalists who have saints. All this sort of stuff was published last summer and dismissed. The majority of it then came true. The majority most certainly did not. The papers are about 30% accurate overall. http://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/newspaper_statistics.aspx
Window Cleaner Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 The majority most certainly did not. The papers are about 30% accurate overall. http://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/newspaper_statistics.aspx 30% ? Even that astonishes me. I'd put it somewhere around 5% in general and a tenth of that in matters concerning Arsenal and Liverpool.
hypochondriac Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 The majority most certainly did not. The papers are about 30% accurate overall. http://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/newspaper_statistics.aspx Don't see how any of this has any relevance to how saints were reported in the papers last year.
The9 Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 But according to Reed Schneiderlin is going nowhere? Bit of a strange comment unless he knows something we don't More or less the same comment as last year, basically that we don't want anyone to leave, which some people will choose to interpret as "he said no-one was leaving" because they are hard of thinking.
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Don't see how any of this has any relevance to how saints were reported in the papers last year. all summer it was about agenda's in the papers to destabilise us etc...then much of it came true. I remember posting on here after I heard an agent on 5live saying MORE players than reported wanted out and he was dealing with one who's name was not in the papers at all. I was called a lier and the agent was laughed off 2 days later it emerged that chambers was about to sign for Arsenal
The9 Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 all summer it was about agenda's in the papers to destabilise us etc...then much of it came true. I remember posting on here after I heard an agent on 5live saying MORE players than reported wanted out and he was dealing with one who's name was not in the papers at all. I was called a lier and the agent was laughed off 2 days later it emerged that chambers was about to sign for Arsenal Are you saying that the endless reporting of instability stories by one particular BBC reporter WASN'T designed to destabilise the club? Even though he was clearly getting stuff direct from Cortese, who was his Saints contact for a load of "Cult of Cortese" promotional stuff when he was still in charge and trying to stay there?
S-Clarke Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Morgan is too good for them. He said he didn't want to spend Wednesday/Tuesday nights watching the Champions league anymore, so why would he sideways move to Spurs? As he'd still be watching it on the TV. I just think he's much more ambitious than that. If they're the only team interested, he should re-new his contract with us, with a release clause if a CL team comes in - and we go from there. MP is under serious pressure next year by the way, I think fans have kind of accepted some of the results this season as a ''bedding in'' period.....but they will expect a lot more next year.
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Are you saying that the endless reporting of instability stories by one particular BBC reporter WASN'T designed to destabilise the club? Even though he was clearly getting stuff direct from Cortese, who was his Saints contact for a load of "Cult of Cortese" promotional stuff when he was still in charge and trying to stay there? cortese never sold our players last summer. despite what some think What I am saying, is that after last summer, easier to keep an open mind about what you want to believe. Simply dismissing something that does not sit right with you is just plain daft
Bucks Saint Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I'm not saying it will happen but I do laugh at posters who dismiss everything they perceive as negative from any journalist as incorrect. History from last summer shows that this was far from the truth and actually most journalists had a far better idea about what was going on than we did. I dont dismiss every negative news story. But if you have spent over 15 years reading the Standard Sport pages, as I have, then the level of optimism / "Exclusive!" / bias / complete and utter delusion in favour of London Premier League clubs -v- the rest would not be a surprise.
The9 Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 cortese never sold our players last summer. despite what some think What I am saying, is that after last summer, easier to keep an open mind about what you want to believe. Simply dismissing something that does not sit right with you is just plain daft I didn't say he did, I said that some parts of the media were clearly deliberately destabilising the club, and they were. Although it's also not coincidence that a lot of the players decided to leave because Cortese did and they didn't have the confidence in the club management that the progression would mean their personal ambitions. I don't think that's going to be the situation this close season as we're clearly stating our ambitions and anyone going will be showing they don't believe we can do it DESPITE the past season's improvement without Cortese and the "Meltdown". Of course if they all leave again on the balance of probability eventually it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy, as we'd have to rebuild to get back to the previous level, before we could improve on it. Agreed on the second paragraph.
Batman Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 I didn't say he did, I said that some parts of the media were clearly deliberately destabilising the club, and they were. Although it's also not coincidence that a lot of the players decided to leave because Cortese did and they didn't have the confidence in the club management that the progression would mean their personal ambitions. I don't think that's going to be the situation this close season as we're clearly stating our ambitions and anyone going will be showing they don't believe we can do it DESPITE the past season's improvement without Cortese and the "Meltdown". Of course if they all leave again on the balance of probability eventually it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy, as we'd have to rebuild to get back to the previous level, before we could improve on it. Agreed on the second paragraph. so, not liverpool, arsenal and united calling not a factor? they would have turned those clubs down (and the relative mental pay rises) had cortese remained? get out ffs...lets agree to disagree
doddisalegend Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 Paper links us with two players Spurs don't want, in return for the best midfielder in the league. Cute. I don't think Nemanja Matić is ours to give...........
doddisalegend Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 More or less the same comment as last year, basically that we don't want anyone to leave, which some people will choose to interpret as "he said no-one was leaving" because they are hard of thinking. Yep same as last summer a lot of people read the clubs statements and interpreted them to fit their own hopes, fears etc. Rather than actually reading what was written.
angelman Posted 30 April, 2015 Posted 30 April, 2015 So what is happening...... Spurs are 1 point ahead of us and are releasing these rumours that involve 3 players, and no doubt this will be somewhat unsettling for the players involved. 1 is a regular. 2 aren't. So not only is indirect tapping up going on (not that it hasn't for a year or so) it is unsettling the team.
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