Batman Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Champions league. threre we are. New chairman, new beginning, same message. be interesting to see how this could happen....which it probably wont but better than just aiming to stay up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Champions league. threre we are. New chairman, new beginning, same message. be interesting to see how this could happen....which it probably wont but better than just aiming to stay up Speaking of the chairman. Doesn't Ralph's deal run out this summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 (edited) Where is the new 5 year plan discussed/explained? Edit: found it ; Saints set Champions League target - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32510554 Edited 29 April, 2015 by SO16_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Well, he says it'd be nice but the main aim is to be consistently a top 6 club in that period which is fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Happy with this as the public message, but assume the private discussions with the players, esp MS, Toby, etc has been "we will do it in no more than two seasons boys" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 To stay in the Premier League. (END) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Thought all the nonsense talk about CL was meant to stop once the poisonous dwarf left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Champions league. threre we are. New chairman, new beginning, same message. be interesting to see how this could happen....which it probably wont but better than just aiming to stay up Whats the point of setting targets if they're easy to achieve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Whats the point of setting targets if they're easy to achieve? I agree. but talking up champions league was a fault of the little man and the reasons why players leave... we will do well to do a group stage of the Europa League and finish top 6...big ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 I agree. but talking up champions league was a fault of the little man and the reasons why players leave... Its also how you can attract players... by being ambitious. It'll be extremely difficult of course to get in the Champions League, but we could still finish 5th this season (currently 1 point off it with 4 games left), to set a goal of one place higher in the next 5 years isn't unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Thought all the nonsense talk about CL was meant to stop once the poisonous dwarf left? Ill stick my head above the parapit here, now, I thought it was a load of new nonsense too, but look at how far we have come in so little time. Its an amazing journey. Now, I agree we have no where near the pulling power or resources of the top 4. And out of the next 3-4 we are probably the weakest in that area (everton, spurs, liverpool, us) but with the right investment, academy products and decent acquisitions we may be able to at the very least compete. That said, its more than just saying its our aim, the board need to match that with wages and signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Thought all the nonsense talk about CL was meant to stop once the poisonous dwarf left? All the nonsense talk was based on Cortese making out that Saints would only be able to do it with Cortese in charge, this is the serious stuff, done without ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 I agree. but talking up champions league was a fault of the little man and the reasons why players leave... we will do well to do a group stage of the Europa League and finish top 6...big ask Again, the fault was claiming we could only do it with him there, which gave the ones who wanted to disappear every excuse when Cortese went first. There's a reason "Cult of Cortese" was used around here. We should easily be able to get to the Europa Group stage (either by going through two qualifying rounds or from league position), and it's hardly the hardest task to get to the knockout stages from there. We could make the last 16 without too much trouble provided we can put out a side as good as our current first team. I won't be surprised if the league position takes a big hit next season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April, 2015 All the nonsense talk was based on Cortese making out that Saints would only be able to do it with Cortese in charge, this is the serious stuff, done without ego. really wasnt though was it....regarding talking up us going for champions league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 really wasnt though was it....regarding talking up us going for champions league Whilst not investing anything in the squad beyond the first 13 or so players, it was absolutely based on a foundation of sand. Even this season, with a couple of players more depth, we've come up short of Champions League due to having to put mid-tablers like Yoshida and underdeveloped players like Isgrove and Reed in. We need to add depth at the appropriate level of quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Whilst not investing anything in the squad beyond the first 13 or so players, it was absolutely based on a foundation of sand. Even this season, with a couple of players more depth, we've come up short of Champions League due to having to put mid-tablers like Yoshida and underdeveloped players like Isgrove and Reed in. We need to add depth at the appropriate level of quality. sounds good. but again. not much difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 What other club has improved for 6 consecutive seasons? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32510559 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 sounds good. but again. not much difference There's basically no difference if you believe that money is the chief determinant of success which means, among other things, being able to invest in a deeper squad. The rest, as others have put it, is just 'dreams and ambitions'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 I agree. but talking up champions league was a fault of the little man and the reasons why players leave... This Delldays-ism made absolutely no sense the first time you posted it, and 100 repeats later, it still doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 sounds good. but again. not much difference Not much but some - I don't imagine anyone expected the exodus that occurred and that will have had a significant impact on how likely we were to improve the squad. If you lose all those starters you have to replace them before you can build at all - there's a reason we only have 20/25 squad players registered with the Premier League, and it's not just that we have a lot of promising U21s. Plus recruiting the likes of Alderweireld and Elia even temporarily and potentially getting into the Europa League puts us in the shop window for better players, and the sell-job is much easier. Plus EL prize money may not be as big as CL money but it still gives us more to play with on the wages front under FFP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Whilst not investing anything in the squad beyond the first 13 or so players, it was absolutely based on a foundation of sand. Even this season, with a couple of players more depth, we've come up short of Champions League due to having to put mid-tablers like Yoshida and underdeveloped players like Isgrove and Reed in. We need to add depth at the appropriate level of quality. I wouldn't even say that's the reason. It's more the lack of goals, we have only the one central striker, whose only started scoring again. And a (first choice) midfield that's doesn't score nowhere near enough goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April, 2015 This Delldays-ism made absolutely no sense the first time you posted it, and 100 repeats later, it still doesn't. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Its also how you can attract players... by being ambitious. It'll be extremely difficult of course to get in the Champions League, but we could still finish 5th this season (currently 1 point off it with 4 games left), to set a goal of one place higher in the next 5 years isn't unreasonable. I'd agree with that. How many players would have joined us in the lower league days if they hadn't been convinced by the management that the club was serious about a return to the prem? I remember Fonte saying the reason he signed was because it was the quickest way he could see himself getting back to the top division. A stated aim/expectation of making CL within a given timeframe must be a factor for players who might not otherwise sign for us, in much the same way as having Koeman on board is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April, 2015 What other club has improved for 6 consecutive seasons? swansea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 I wouldn't even say that's the reason. It's more the lack of goals, we have only the one central striker, who's only started scoring again. And a (first choice) midfield that's doesn't score nowhere near enough goals. Which is also due to not having enough top quality attacking options, or being able to attract the kind of top class midfield players which can unlock defences with their individual skill, because they're a different price bracket and only go to clubs showing signs of competing in Europe. Even with us in the Europa we'd be likely to attract short-term stepping stone career rebuilders who look to move on after a season or two, but our recruitment is better than most and we seems to be building incrementally. But getting a bloke who played in a World Cup Final, and two blokes who've played in the Champions League Final (one only a few months before) are excellent pointers to the kind of players we can attract, even if they're not ours at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Not unless you think a flirt with relegation and climbing to 12th is better than 8th and winning the league cup. you are right. however, a major trophy in that time with a blip in the prem.....hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 swansea? They're going backwards now though. Only 12th this season after their 6 successive years of improvement, starting higher than Saints (7th in L1) and peaking lower (9th in Prem). Not sure moving from 8th to 7th in the Championship from 2008-2010 was much to get excited about either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April, 2015 They're going backwards now though. Only 12th this season after their 6 successive years of improvement, starting higher than Saints (7th in L1) and peaking lower (9th in Prem). Not sure the excitement of them moving from 8th to 7th in the Championship from 2008-2010 was much to get excited about either. really? they are 8th and recently won a major trophy? do not think many people in the UK will think they are going backwards right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 really? they are 8th and recently won a major trophy? do not think many people in the UK will think they are going backwards right now The last full season they played they came 12th. The two seasons before they were 11th and climbed to 9th. They went backwards, if they finish 8th this season they're in year 2 of another improvement, but the 6 year spell of improvement we were talking about is already over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April, 2015 The last full season they played they came 12th. The two seasons before they were 11th and climbed to 9th. They went backwards, if they finish 8th this season they're in year 2 of another improvement, but the 6 year spell of improvement we were talking about is already over. ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Will be even harder if the English allocation of champ league places goes down to three next season. Highly likely given form of Italian teams this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Will be even harder if the English allocation of champ league places goes down to three next season. Highly likely given form of Italian teams this year I don't think that's true, if it carries on over the next 2/3 seasons, then maybe...but we have 4 places next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 I don't think that's true, if it carries on over the next 2/3 seasons, then maybe...but we have 4 places next year. You are right, just read again the article I got my info from. It reckons 2017/2018 if premier league clubs are outperformed by Italians next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Whats the point of setting targets if they're easy to achieve? .......is it better to set very difficult targets that we have no chance of attaining ? CL finalists in two years time - sound challenging enough - does it ? ..Maybe not ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Will be even harder if the English allocation of champ league places goes down to three next season. Highly likely given form of Italian teams this year I don't think that's true, if it carries on over the next 2/3 seasons, then maybe...but we have 4 places next year. England has four in 2015-2016 and 2016-2017. It is very much at risk after that. English teams need to do well this coming season. Roughly speaking, England has an 11 point lead on Italy, but Italy can still reduce it by nearly two points with good results this season. Next season about 7 of those points drop off the lead for 2017-2018 qualifying. Four more points will drop off for 2018-2019 qualifying the year after that. The problem is obvious. http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2015.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Apart from Manure, Citeh, Chelski, Scousehampton and possibly Spuds the first objective of all the Premier Clubs will be to stay in the League. So, I suppose our objective is not that different from Bournemouth, but perhaps with a few bells and whistles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Oh....forgot Arsenil are also pretty much guaranteed prem future as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 I hope they're planning to win the bloody thing, not just get there and be also-rans! I'll be devastated if we do all the hard work to get there and then get knocked out in, say, the quarter-finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32510559 Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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