Transfers - Using Liverhampton as an example....

[Saint86]

The daily mail have ripped into liverpool's 25 years of transfers today... its an excellent read

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3058868/Liverpool-190-signings-spent-800m-25-year-wait-19th-league-title-John-Aldridge-blames-transfer-market-failings-barren-spell.html

 

But it makes you realise what good value we actually managed this summer.

 

For some perspective Liverpool singed the following:

 

2000 - Heskey from Leicester for, wait for it, £11m

2000 - Zeige from Boro for £5.5m

2001 - Kirkland from Coventry for £6m

2001 - Diouf from Lens for £10m (he went on to score 6goals in 80 appearances)

 

gets better until around 2007, and torres (20m) aside, they signed players like Babel for £11.5m, Benayoun for £5m and a load of other players for a couple of million each that had no impact.

 

They also spet £7m on Dossena in 2008 (remember him ), (this one is amazing) £19m on Robbie Keane and £8m on Riera (who?)

 

Wait holy ****, they spent £17m on Johnson? wtf.... and omg, £17m on Aquilani in the same season. What a great year 2009 was, and we think we had money troubles.

 

So the above is pretty bad imho, but what Follows (Brenda) is worth a sacking just for the embarrassment.

 

.... The big balls up as folllows .... Carroll for £35m, back of the net!!! Coupled with Steward Downing for £18.5m with Meireles for £11.5m, joe allen for £15m, Luis Alberto £7m, aspas £7m, Lallana for £25m, Markovic for £20m, Lovren for £20m, Balotelli for £16m, some guy called llori for £7m and manquillo for £10m...

 

Truly an astounding waste of money. You could buy better complete teams for that much. Tip of that hat where it is due for Coutinho at £8.5m, a steal when considered against the above.

 

But. In relation to saints, when you consider what we paid for Long (allready better return than the 2000 prices paid for heskey and Diouf), wanyama, Clyne!! Morgan, Tadic, Pelle, bertrand, forster etc etc, we look to have done very well indeed.

 

I suspect that if you give united another few seasons there transfer list will look similar (though not as bad) as brenda's... Just makes you realise even further how good a job koeman has done when you consider what a supposedly good manager can do with money

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Saints and Liverpool have both signed an equal amount of bad and good players in that period, for varying amounts of money. No club is better than 50/50 in the transfer market.

[JxgrSaint]

Saints and Liverpool have both signed an equal amount of bad and good players in that period' date=' for varying amounts of money. No club is better than 50/50 in the transfer market.[/quote']

 

Porto?

[S-Clarke]

All transfers are hit and miss, but Liverpool, particularly over the last 2 seasons have been pathetically bad. Must be like a 10% success rate at best.

 

Of course we've signed some dross, but I'd say our good signings have outweighed those a lot more impressively.

 

Liverpool have acted like a club who aren't quite there as a ''top, top club'' so can't attract the big guns, but they go and spend stupid money on the next level of player down instead.

[Window Cleaner]

Liverpool have also signed and sold Suarez and Torres at huge profits, it's all swings and roundabouts really.

At least they've won a Champion's League and had a couple of good PL placings, they should have won the PL last season, thanks to Gerrard they didn't. A great servant for them signed for nothing at all but you can't get away with the fact that last season he lost them the PL title all by himself.

Anyway I don't really know why everybody is so concerned with Liverpool, they do whatever it is they want and it's ferk all to do with us.

[Saint86]

Saints and Liverpool have both signed an equal amount of bad and good players in that period' date=' for varying amounts of money. No club is better than 50/50 in the transfer market.[/quote']

 

Disagree entirely to be honest. Only Osvaldo (£9m) and Ramirez (12m) represent bad deals under the new management. The loss we may make on them is eclisped purely by Andy Carroll above. You would also ignore the great deals players like Puncheon, Lambert, Fonte, Jos, Morgan, Jayrod, Davis, Clyne, Cork were. Even the no longer with us players like Harding, Hammond, Antonio, Guly, Papa Waigo represented great business and did a good job for us. Even if you took every Liverpool transfer above back until 2000 you wouldn't find an equal number of good investments and in no way is the job done by our club "equal" to that of liverpool. We have far outperformed them in recent seasons and should be grateful for it.

[Patrick Bateman]

Liverhampton.

 

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Disagree entirely to be honest. Only Osvaldo (£9m) and Ramirez (12m) represent bad deals under the new management. The loss we may make on them is eclisped purely by Andy Carroll above. You would also ignore the great deals players like Puncheon, Lambert, Fonte, Jos, Morgan, Jayrod, Davis, Clyne, Cork were. Even the no longer with us players like Harding, Hammond, Antonio, Guly, Papa Waigo represented great business and did a good job for us. Even if you took every Liverpool transfer above back until 2000 you wouldn't find an equal number of good investments and in no way is the job done by our club "equal" to that of liverpool. We have far outperformed them in recent seasons and should be grateful for it.

 

Steve De Ridder? Tadanari Lee? Emmanuel Mayuka? Vegard Forren?

 

And in terms of good Liverpool signings in the same period:

 

Shelvey, Suarez, Henderson, Sturridge, Coutinho.

 

Liverpool have wasted a lot of money. So have we. We have signed a lot of good players. So have Liverpool. Liverpool have more money so have wasted more, but then they've also signed better players than we ever will as well. It's true they have had plenty of mistakes but then so have we.

[Window Cleaner]

Steve De Ridder? Tadanari Lee? Emmanuel Mayuka? Vegard Forren?

 

And in terms of good Liverpool signings in the same period:

 

Shelvey, Suarez, Henderson, Sturridge, Coutinho.

 

Liverpool have wasted a lot of money. So have we. We have signed a lot of good players. So have Liverpool. Liverpool have more money so have wasted more, but then they've also signed better players than we ever will as well. It's true they have had plenty of mistakes but then so have we.

 

And let's face it, Liverpool have so much money to waste that they wouldn't be able to do it without a bit of a nonsensical transfer from time to time. Warrior give them about 30 million a season I think, Standard Chartered give them somewhere between 20 and 30 million I think as well, 45000 home gate every other week, yep poor dears must have a hard time wasting it all every season.

[Hatch]

whoever approved the Carroll signing for £35m should be sectioned for life.

[Batman]

osvlado

ramirez

Mayuka

Lee

Forren

De ridder

Gardos

 

that is a lot of money for us, right there

[KelvinsRightGlove]

whoever approved the Carroll signing for £35m should be sectioned for life.

 

if you put it this way, they basically swapped Torres (who was clearly not right at that point) for Carroll & Suarez, ok they put in about £8m(ish) in themselves, but still they received about £85/90m back on they investment. Still not awful really.

 

That said, eff it's Liverpool. I really don't like them.

[Batman]

if you put it this way, they basically swapped Torres (who was clearly not right at that point) for Carroll & Suarez, ok they put in about £8m(ish) in themselves, but still they received about £85/90m back on they investment. Still not awful really.

 

That said, eff it's Liverpool. I really don't like them.

 

that was by luck more so, than anything else

[The9]

Not sure why signing Heskey for £11m is seen as bad business, he scored 23 goals for them in 2000/1 and 16 goals the following season, then 10 and 12 (that includes International goals) despite playing in the same team as Michael Owen who was clearly playing as the more advanced striker.

 

They also got half of that money back when they sold him to Birmingham in 2004.

 

Christian Ziege was a German international who'd won 2 Bundesligas and a Scudetto , and (along with Heskey) won the League Cup, UEFA Cup and FA Cup in his first season with Liverpool. £5.5m was about the going rate for a player who was Boro's player of the season and they definitely wouldn't have sold him if it wasn't for a "compassionate clause" in his contract.

 

Chris Kirkland was a highly rated prospect, a lot of money for a keeper but theoretically they're paying for 10 years of service - but he got injured and they got 25 league games in 5 years. If Forster's knee injury is serious in the longer term we've just done a lot worse there.

 

Not really sure what the point is, but the 2000-era examples are RUBBISH.

[The9]

that was by luck more so, than anything else

 

Not really, Suarez had just had a very successful World Cup, reaching the semi-finals (well, Uruguay did, he was suspended), I'm not sure how it can be seen as "luck".

[Patrick Bateman]

 

Not really sure what the point is, but the 2000-era examples are RUBBISH.

 

Agreed. I also saw an article (maybe on here?) about Sir Alex's signings at Man Utd and how the majority of them were actually utter gash, with the 1 or 2 who shone through.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

that was by luck more so, than anything else

 

Oh yeah, sure man.

 

That is essentially to say all transfers are lucky, which to some extent is true. But not in the way you are trying to get at.

 

Not sure why signing Heskey for £11m is seen as bad business, he scored 23 goals for them in 2000/1 and 16 goals the following season, then 10 and 12 (that includes International goals) despite playing in the same team as Michael Owen who was clearly playing as the more advanced striker.

 

They also got half of that money back when they sold him to Birmingham in 2004.

 

Christian Ziege was a German international who'd won 2 Bundesligas and a Scudetto , and (along with Heskey) won the League Cup, UEFA Cup and FA Cup in his first season with Liverpool. £5.5m was about the going rate for a player who was Boro's player of the season and they definitely wouldn't have sold him if it wasn't for a "compassionate clause" in his contract.

 

Chris Kirkland was a highly rated prospect, a lot of money for a keeper but theoretically they're paying for 10 years of service - but he got injured and they got 25 league games in 5 years. If Forster's knee injury is serious in the longer term we've just done a lot worse there.

 

Not really sure what the point is, but the 2000-era examples are RUBBISH.

 

I honestly don't think Heskey was as bad as he was made out. Never going to be the most glamorous player, but that was never his game. Was very good at Leicester, good at Liverpool and hardly did bad (was often reasonably popular) at his other clubs.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Agreed. I also saw an article (maybe on here?) about Sir Alex's signings at Man Utd and how the majority of them were actually utter gash, with the 1 or 2 who shone through.

 

Aye, Fergie had a shocker at Utd.

[VectisSaint]

whoever approved the Carroll signing for £35m should be sectioned for life.

True, but you can't blame Brenda for that one. Carroll signed for Liverpool months before Brenda rolled up.

[Patrick Bateman]

Aye, Fergie had a shocker at Utd.

 

Look them up

Edited 28 April, 2015 by Patrick Bateman

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Look them up you stupid c*nt.

 

 

You alright mate?

[angelman]

osvlado

ramirez

Mayuka

Lee

Forren

De ridder

Gardos

 

that is a lot of money for us, right there

 

Different situation. To attract players to little old Southampton, we have to take more risks that Liverpool who can shell out big money both in fees and wages.

 

Osvaldo - strikers are always expensive and over priced. Who signed him? Are they still at the club? I know the same could be said about Liverpool, but on paper and with the goal vs City, he had the skill. Going elsewhere afterwards shows the same. He jsut didn't want to be with us.

 

Ramirez - he was an important signing. It showed ambition and the willingness to spend. A bit like Osvaldo as well. However, I will grant you that it hasn't been successful. Still he played in the WC for Uruguay and we all know he has potential. Guess that that is what Liverpool might say about all their signings that haven't worked out.

 

Mayuka - it was a risk. As mentioned, we were in a position where risks have to be taken. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. Player of the tournament at the ACN and his time at Young Boys suggested he could do something. He couldn't.

 

Lee - a free transfer. I wonder how much of this was a commercial decision to break into Japan?

 

Forren - bit strange. I can understand why he was signed, as it was insurance in case the defence got stymied by injury/suspension. Strange that he signed the day we announced Pochettino. Who signed him?

 

De Ridder - ?? £750k. 44 games. 4 goals, 4 assists. Sold after 2 years for £450k. Why is he on the list?

 

Gardos - I like what I have seen of him so far. Surprised though that he hasn't made more of things, but guess that he was back up to Fonte/Toby but Yoshi has done better than might be expected so has fallen further back. I see him as insurance/cover. At the time of signing, I seem to recall being a little relieved that we had someone in.

[Patrick Bateman]

 

You alright mate?

 

I'm feeling generous - look at the list from mid-2000s onwards; http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/sir-alex-fergusons-99-signings-4002742

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I'm feeling generous - look at the list from mid-2000s onwards; http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/sir-alex-fergusons-99-signings-4002742

 

I'm honestly at a loss as to what you are getting at?

 

The facepalm in that post wasn't at you. Of Course he had some poor signings, he was there over a quarter of a century. No manager has a 100% hit rate. And yeah, he still did alright, so the whole thing is a bit daft.

[Patrick Bateman]

I'm honestly at a loss as to what you are getting at?

 

The facepalm in that post wasn't at you. Of Course he had some poor signings, he was there over a quarter of a century. No manager has a 100% hit rate. And yeah, he still did alright, so the whole thing is a bit daft.

 

Okay to be clear, I'm getting at people who are having a go at Liverpool's signings saying they are bad, people who say Saints signings are bad. My point was simply that the "best" managers in the world make terrible signings too. It's not limited to any 1 club - therefore this thread is pointless.

 

I thought people would be able to read between my lines, but I have edited my post to sound less harsh (I was on a conference call with a bunch of utter cretins).

[sadoldgit]

So since the Premiership started Liverpool have spent £767,305,000 on players. They have received £441,090,000 in outgoing transfers. Their net lose on transfers is £326,215,000.

[melmacian_saint]

Porto?

 

Depends on the perspective...do you know they had the likes of Luis Fabiano and Thiago Silva on their ranks at some stage...yet they didn't perform to their best there.

[John Boy Saint]

Just as an aside I still think Steven Davis for the £750k goodwill payment to Rangers (that we got told off for making) has been a cracking bit of business.