eurosaint Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 I know that it has been mentioned on a number of posts within threads but reckon that it probably deserves a thread of its own ! Personally I think that it is not only unnecessary but completely counter-productive ! a) He wastes good opportunities by not staying on his feet. b) He risks unnecessary yellow cards. c) He may not get the big decisions by over reacting in lesser situations. d) He does not set a good example and is bringing the club into disrepute. I have complained about other teams players behaving like this in the past so don't want to be hypocritical in any way, it is quite embarrassing at times and Ron really should sort it out IMO !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 Agree entirely. I doubt that Koeman will be keen to embarrass the player by going public on this but I'd be interested to see how he would reply if the question was asked at a Press Conference. If we see Mane staying on his feet in his next game it might indicate that he's been spoken to but it also needs him to take notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 I can't stand it. Bring in retrospective action and ban blatant divers for a game or two. Most players will take a tumble under pressure at times but he does it so persistently that it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 He'll learn look at Ronaldo and Hazard both players had similar habits when they first came to the premier league he should grow out of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 He'll learn look at Ronaldo and Hazard both players had similar habits when they first came to the premier league he should grow out of it! This. Get Jose to have a word. Man up or f*ck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 He was in Sainsburys , Badger Farm , Winchester this morning, and stayed on his feet. It can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 He was in Sainsburys , Badger Farm , Winchester this morning, and stayed on his feet. It can be done. But had they been watering the floors? Thought not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 He goes down faster than Linda Lovelace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 If he's going to dive, he needs to up his game so that he doesn't look like a c**t. I suggest he goes here:- http://www.muffdivingclub.ie/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hokie Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 I draw a line between "going over easy" and "diving." A dive for me is when a player goes down with no contact. If the player is fouled, and can struggle to keep his feet but in doing so loses a step, giving the defence an opportunity to recover, then going down ensures the ref does not play the advantage. As far as Mane, from what I see, he is flopping from light contact. It is a little embarrassing, but when I take into account his pace and body shape and the fact that he draws so many fouls, I am more forgiving. In many ways, I would like to see more cautions from referees on the cynical fouls that are used to stop him 30 and 40 yards from goal. That said, if he played for another team, I might be more critical. Just out of curiosity has he been carded for a dive this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 I draw a line between "going over easy" and "diving." A dive for me is when a player goes down with no contact. If the player is fouled, and can struggle to keep his feet but in doing so loses a step, giving the defence an opportunity to recover, then going down ensures the ref does not play the advantage. As far as Mane, from what I see, he is flopping from light contact. It is a little embarrassing, but when I take into account his pace and body shape and the fact that he draws so many fouls, I am more forgiving. In many ways, I would like to see more cautions from referees on the cynical fouls that are used to stop him 30 and 40 yards from goal. That said, if he played for another team, I might be more critical. Just out of curiosity has he been carded for a dive this season? Contact is immaterial because the diving player will manufacture the contact. Players like Mane do this by initiating contact through trailing a foot against the defender and then pretending to trip. In other sports, cheating can result in a life ban. It's long overdue for the football authorities to take strong action to eliminate cheating by retrospective action against the cheats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 He's very light on his feet. So light that a fart would blow him over. It started with Arsenal in the League Cup and hasn't really stopped since. Don't like. No need for it. Doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 Quality player though. As some have mentioned already the likes of Bale, Ronaldo and Drogba have been renowned for this in the past and managed to change their ways. I saw something the other day saying he's one of the three most fouled players in the league. Maybe it's his way of protecting himself? Think twice before coming near me! Cracking player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 I would like to think that big Ron will have a word and tell him to calm it down a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 April, 2015 Share Posted 26 April, 2015 Don't think its all down to opportunistic diving - he was clean through against Stoke the other week but slipped without contact. think something similar happened against WBA. The last thing you'd expect from someone who's simply trying to steal an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 Mane is not the heaviest man in the team, but does go down a lot, although he has so much pace that it only takes a nudge to send him over. I'm sure some managers tell their wingmen .....to go to ground if they are touched.....Oscar seems to do it very well for Chelsea. only thing that worries me is that if Mane continues to go down so much at SMS after the pitch has been watered .....he'll need a snorkel if he 's to avoid drowning ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 It's very frustrating to watch tbh. He's done it before but against spurs was the first time I've heard A LOT of the oppositions fans commenting on it. If he gets a name for himself with the referees then he'll get nothing, even when he is legitimately fouled. Shame really as he's seems like he's got the potential to develope into a top player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyOldBoy Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 Bale,Ronaldo and Hazard have NOT changed their ways.... Madrid fans are still treated to those two fairies and Hazard is a genius at manufacturing contact which is still diving.... its just that commentators are too thick to notice. Mane is over-rated and no way near as good as he should be given all the hype so I suggest he stays on his feet and tries to do what he is paid to do.... could be a class player.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 Ronaldinho has very quick feet and 'manufactures contact' so well that nobody ever comments on it. I suppose it should be called 'pedifactures'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 Think Mane needs to give JWP some lessons as JWP gets muscled out of challenges whereas Sadio when getting muscled out throws the dice in the hope of getting something from the contact from the hapless officials, as has been said Hazard is a maestro at getting spawny free kicks from contact as light as a mouses fart but refs buy it week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 A bit OTT the posts on here. Yes he goes over a bit too easily. Most teams have that type of player. Until FA enforce retrospective action then players will continue to try it on. If you cant beat them join them i say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 I like Mane but dislike this embarrassing trait he has. RK needs a word in his ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 Mane is a diving ****. but it is ok as we win the decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 Mane is a diving ****. but it is ok as we win the decisions. Very true. At least he is our diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 Mane is a diving ****. but it is ok as we win the decisions. Trouble is, we often don't as it's so obvious he's diving! Against Spurs, there were a number of times he went down looking for fouls and wasted good attacking opportunities. The bad reputation he's in danger of getting may also influence refs not to give us pens when he really has been fouled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 Mane is a diving ****. but it is ok as we win the decisions. And what about the times he's slipped with nobody around him? Doesn't quite fit your chest-thumping, our fans are hypocrites shtick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 If you don't ever do dives, then players like i.e. John Terry and i.e. James Collins and i.e. Stoke will spend even more of the game doing sneaky little kicks & shirt pulls. On the other hand, if I was referee, I would be like, I can't tell if ur really fouled or not when ur exaggerating diving all over the place, so I will only give free kick if u are trying the best to stay on ur feets, bro. That is what I would say, if I was referee. And then I would send off Steven Gerrard for no reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 If you don't ever do dives, then players like i.e. John Terry and i.e. James Collins and i.e. Stoke will spend even more of the game doing sneaky little kicks & shirt pulls. On the other hand, if I was referee, I would be like, I can't tell if ur really fouled or not when ur exaggerating diving all over the place, so I will only give free kick if u are trying the best to stay on ur feets, bro. That is what I would say, if I was referee. And then I would send off Steven Gerrard for no reason Dude does have form, look at this terrible example of the famed Stevie Starfish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBuOEI2Kk5o Ok, I lie that isn't him diving. But quite frankly, any excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glengarryleads Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 players of his build and extreme pace naturally go down under light contact; you learn early on that hitting the ground is less likely to hurt you than planting a foot badly in an attempt to stay upright or cut in pursuit of a ball. yes i've seen him guilty of an out and out dive, but the vast majority of incidents you lot are whining about are not dives or flops, it's Sadio being smart. Not about "trying to win the free stuff" but about his body and its limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 He falls over a lot because he gets leaned on and shoved around a lot and he's of slender frame. He's more than happy to get clattered or make it look like he's getting clattered (tangling up with Spurs defenders in the box 3 times) to get a free kick and more times than not he gets the free-kick. He goes to ground pretty easily, but never without contact. Has he actually been booked for diving yet this season? I'd also much rather he went over than tried to stay on his feet and break a leg or cost himself a decent chance by trying to keep balance when impeded. Though hitting the ground didn't help Ben Davies avoid serious injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 27 April, 2015 Share Posted 27 April, 2015 He falls over a lot because he gets leaned on and shoved around a lot and he's of slender frame. He's more than happy to get clattered or make it look like he's getting clattered (tangling up with Spurs defenders in the box 3 times) to get a free kick and more times than not he gets the free-kick. He goes to ground pretty easily, but never without contact. Has he actually been booked for diving yet this season? I'd also much rather he went over than tried to stay on his feet and break a leg or cost himself a decent chance by trying to keep balance when impeded. Though hitting the ground didn't help Ben Davies avoid serious injury. I agree with this. Added to which, there are other players in the division who have made it an art form, so although I don't condone going down too easily to gain an advantage, I'm thinking that unless there is some way to lessen other players doing it, then why should we miss out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 28 April, 2015 Share Posted 28 April, 2015 We need to be as niggardly and cheaty as all the other clubs out there. No point in getting all Corinthian and have other sides getting away with it against us week in week out. Mane just needs to work a bit harder on his diving - he should keep going down, but stop throwing the shapes and making out like he's after an academy award. And choose his moments better too. Final third for the most authentic dives and throw in some yelps for pain as well - that normally suckers the refs in lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsteve7 Posted 28 April, 2015 Share Posted 28 April, 2015 Eden Hazard goes down very easily more often than not but because he's labeled a world class player nobody says a word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
percy windham Posted 28 April, 2015 Share Posted 28 April, 2015 I feel more embarrassed for the banshee who sits behind me, every time he dives, she shrieks at the top of her voice that the ref is useless and isn't fit to referee. Completely clueless, this is why women shouldn't be allowed at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 April, 2015 Share Posted 28 April, 2015 We need to be as niggardly and cheaty as all the other clubs out there. No point in getting all Corinthian and have other sides getting away with it against us week in week out. Mane just needs to work a bit harder on his diving - he should keep going down, but stop throwing the shapes and making out like he's after an academy award. And choose his moments better too. Final third for the most authentic dives and throw in some yelps for pain as well - that normally suckers the refs in lovely. Absolutely. Why should we not do what the top sides trot out as a matter of routine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 April, 2015 Share Posted 28 April, 2015 I feel more embarrassed for the banshee who sits behind me, every time he dives, she shrieks at the top of her voice that the ref is useless and isn't fit to referee. Completely clueless, this is why women shouldn't be allowed at football. *sits back, puts up feet and reaches for popcorn* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 28 April, 2015 Share Posted 28 April, 2015 Saw Michael McIntyre at the Mayflower last night. Turns out to be a Spurs supporter. He did a very funny take-off of Mane losing his feet. Mane is going to get a reputation as a diver if he is not careful, which means that he won't get the genuine fouls against him. Michael McIntyre's Pelle impersonation was also very funny with a gag about his concern for his hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 April, 2015 Share Posted 28 April, 2015 Saw Michael McIntyre at the Mayflower last night. Turns out to be a Spurs supporter. He did a very funny take-off of Mane losing his feet. Mane is going to get a reputation as a diver if he is not careful, which means that he won't get the genuine fouls against him. Michael McIntyre's Pelle impersonation was also very funny with a gag about his concern for his hair. That is the first post I've ever seen which included the words "Michael McIntyre" and "funny" in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 That is the first post I've ever seen which included the words "Michael McIntyre" and "funny" in the same sentence. He uses writers. Tossed, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 players of his build and extreme pace naturally go down under light contact; you learn early on that hitting the ground is less likely to hurt you than planting a foot badly in an attempt to stay upright or cut in pursuit of a ball. yes i've seen him guilty of an out and out dive, but the vast majority of incidents you lot are whining about are not dives or flops, it's Sadio being smart. Not about "trying to win the free stuff" but about his body and its limitations. I had a Spurs landlord kicking off about this earlier, he fell off his stool shortly afterwards and didnt make a claim, fairplay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 I feel more embarrassed for the banshee who sits behind me, every time he dives, she shrieks at the top of her voice that the ref is useless and isn't fit to referee. Completely clueless, this is why women shouldn't be allowed at football. I feel more embarrassed for a d*ckhead bloke who would post something as dumb as that on a public forum. Completely clueless, this is why men shouldn't be allowed at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Shouldn't rise to is Coxford if I was you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Shouldn't rise to is Coxford if I was you. Ha. I'm not really. But sometimes a d*ck just needs calling a d*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Shouldn't rise to is Coxford if I was you. She can't help it, women are more emotional. Hormones, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 She can't help it, women are more emotional. Hormones, probably. Yeah, I've got PMT at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 We need to be as niggardly and cheaty as all the other clubs out there. No point in getting all Corinthian and have other sides getting away with it against us week in week out. Mane just needs to work a bit harder on his diving - he should keep going down, but stop throwing the shapes and making out like he's after an academy award. And choose his moments better too. Final third for the most authentic dives and throw in some yelps for pain as well - that normally suckers the refs in lovely. I had to google the word "Niggardly" which is a new one on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 I feel more embarrassed for a d*ckhead bloke who would post something as dumb as that on a public forum. Completely clueless, this is why men shouldn't be allowed at football. Women should absolutely be allowed at the football. I agree lou: https://twitter.com/crystals_cpfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 I feel more embarrassed for a d*ckhead bloke who would post something as dumb as that on a public forum. Completely clueless, this is why men shouldn't be allowed at football. #killallmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Women should absolutely be allowed at the football. I agree lou: https://twitter.com/crystals_cpfc What a coincidence - just like the outfit I was wearing last Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 April, 2015 Share Posted 29 April, 2015 Women should absolutely be allowed at the football. I agree lou: https://twitter.com/crystals_cpfc Yes yes, all very good, but can any of them play in goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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