The Cat Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 How dare you attempt to portray Jamie as an ignorant, knee-jerk, armchair viewing, know-it all. Shame on you! I thought his name was Brett? Whatever, he clearly knows more about our players than Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 I thought his name was Brett? Whatever, he clearly knows more about our players than Koeman. you know, koeman does not get everything right. Neither does mourinho or did fergie. IMO, Elia is gash and I hope we do not sign him. On that basis, I think it would be more beneficial for the club and a younger player to warm the bench instead of him I think we are seeing part of the reason why Elia is actually on loan to us in the 1st place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 I'm not fussed if we sign him or not to be honest. He's OK, but we can probably do a bit better in the summer. He's clearly not as bad as you make out though. If he truly was gash though he wouldn't get anywhere near our starting XI, nor the Dutch squad. It's not just Koeman who sees something in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 you know, koeman does not get everything right. Neither does mourinho or did fergie. IMO, Elia is gash and I hope we do not sign him. On that basis, I think it would be more beneficial for the club and a younger player to warm the bench instead of him I think we are seeing part of the reason why Elia is actually on loan to us in the 1st place Winger in "form player with fluctuating fortunes" shocker. I'd sign him, though I'm interested to know which of the kids you'd have instead of him? I agree re: Danny Fox, FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 I'm not fussed if we sign him or not to be honest. He's OK, but we can probably do a bit better in the summer. He's clearly not as bad as you make out though. If he truly was gash though he wouldn't get anywhere near our starting XI, nor the Dutch squad. It's not just Koeman who sees something in him. can you highlight the games where he has made a difference. Newcastle away the exception. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 By "make a difference" do you mean "be one of the best players on the pitch?" There's more to a team player than being an obvious stand out all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 can you highlight the games where he has made a difference. Newcastle away the exception. cheers Man Utd away he was superb defensively and contributed loads to that win too. For completion of my list above, West Ham (H) was the draw. QPR away and Palace home he went off on the hour mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 can you highlight the games where he has made a difference. Newcastle away the exception. cheers Do you judge players solely on goals scored and assists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 Do you judge players solely on goals scored and assists? To be fair it's a fairly important metric to judge attacking players on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 Tbf Jme White was really unlucky with injuries You don't get loaned out FROM Sutton Utd because you are unlucky. He looked like a star in the making for the youth team but is a classic example of throwing someone who isn't ready in at the deep end. Even our brightest young talents like Lallana and Morgan struggled in the 'Totaal Voetbal' season under portaloo. I trust Ron, Erwin and our academy coaches far more than Delldays when it comes to judging if a youth player is ready yet. Hesketh's nightmare debut at Burnley should be proof enough of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 One swallow doesnt make a summer. Gallagher looked out of his depth last year and was largely anonymous on the right of midfield for much of the match with much of our right wing threat coming from Mugabi (that sounds very strange to write on a football forum) I dont see what he'll add against spurs that more established players cant already provide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 So we should take Elia off the bench because he has played well in one game, replacing him with Gallagher who has played well in one under 21 game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 Hesketh looked completely out of his depth in the half he had and was lucky not to be sent off before getting injured. In a match we lost to BURNLEY. Elia won us a game at Newcastle and only started in 9 games all season: won 4 (Man U away, Newcastle A, QPR A, Palace H) drawn 1 lost 4 (Palace Cup H, Swansea H, Liverpool H, Everton A). In short, your assessment of those players' positive or negative impacts is way off. It's funny, because I thought Hesketh was the most dangerous player on the pitch until he was cynically done by a Burnley clogger, as retribution for Hesketh having gone in a bit late on their keeper, which I thought was forgivable considering it was his first start and he was clearly full of adrenaline. I honestly think we'd have gone on to win that game with no problems if Hesketh hadn't gone off injured. And he probably would have got a nice run in the team too... perhaps we wouldn't have then had to later put up with one-paced crap like Elia and Djuricic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 Gallagher wasn't that good as right midfield as he's a striker. When he went upfront looked much better. Should be on bench IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 Hesketh looked completely out of his depth in the half he had and was lucky not to be sent off before getting injured. In a match we lost to BURNLEY. Elia won us a game at Newcastle and only started in 9 games all season: won 4 (Man U away, Newcastle A, QPR A, Palace H) drawn 1 lost 4 (Palace Cup H, Swansea H, Liverpool H, Everton A). In short, your assessment of those players' positive or negative impacts is way off. That is patently untrue on several levels though. From memory he looked quite sharp, if a little over eager. Certainly didn't seem over awed. He was lucky not to be sent off maybe. And the fact we lost the match, while unforgivable against Burnley, had nothing to do with him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 The 'next Harry Kane'...? http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/12903604.Saints_striker_Sam_can_be_the_next_Harry_Kane/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 much of our right wing threat coming from Mugabi (that sounds very strange to write on a football forum) If only we signed a left wing back called Marx or Stalin it would be complete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 The 'next Harry Kane'...? http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/12903604.Saints_striker_Sam_can_be_the_next_Harry_Kane/ God I hate it when they do that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 You don't get loaned out FROM Sutton Utd because you are unlucky. He looked like a star in the making for the youth team but is a classic example of throwing someone who isn't ready in at the deep end. Even our brightest young talents like Lallana and Morgan struggled in the 'Totaal Voetbal' season under portaloo. I trust Ron, Erwin and our academy coaches far more than Delldays when it comes to judging if a youth player is ready yet. Hesketh's nightmare debut at Burnley should be proof enough of that. If you had seen his leg the night he broke it at Staplewood ( I was there) you would be amazed he even played again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 That is patently untrue on several levels though. From memory he looked quite sharp, if a little over eager. Certainly didn't seem over awed. He was lucky not to be sent off maybe. And the fact we lost the match, while unforgivable against Burnley, had nothing to do with him anyway. He just looked too small (or more accurately lacking core strength) and was easily muscled out of pretty much everything. He was certainly trying hard though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 I dont see what he'll add against spurs that more established players cant already provide The ability to strike a ball and risk a shot from outside the area? That slightly tongue-in-cheek comment aside, it's an ability that I'm not sure is entirely down to coaching or skill levels (witness Tadic..). The ball still seemed to be accelerating when it passed the keeper on Monday night, and even if we don't see him this season I think next we'll see more. He's also tall and solid, with a good turn of pace so a pre-season and possibly some early Europa cup games :-) will start to improve on the rawness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 (edited) How can it do any harm, considering how toothless we are currently ? AND...when Sam comes off the bench ..and scores the winner, Pochettino will try and cover his own embarrassment by claiming that he was responsible for giving Sam G. his chance last season, when in fact he had no choice.... because Lambert was out injured at the time....and he had no other option. To his credit, Sam came on ....and the boy did well.....but surely Martin Hunter & Co. should take more of the praise for coaching the lad in the first place. Edited 22 April, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 God I hate it when they do that.... UGH ......why not ......the next MLT, or Shearer. The last thing I'd want to do..... is to compare one of our players.... to one of Spuds - no matter who it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 AND...when Sam comes off the bench ..and scores the winner, Pochettino will try and cover his own embarrassment by claiming that he was responsible for giving Sam G. his chance last season, when in fact he had no choice.... because Lambert was out injured at the time....and he had no other option. Oh come on now, this is Pochettino, not Harry Redknapp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 Oh come on now, this is Pochettino, not Harry Redknapp. Yeah, I can't imagine Poch coming out with "I was down to the bare bones, innit, I said to the Chairman 'I can't go on like this'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 Yeah, I can't imagine Poch coming out with "I was down to the bare bones, innit, I said to the Chairman 'I can't go on like this'" F'sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 The ability to strike a ball and risk a shot from outside the area? That slightly tongue-in-cheek comment aside, it's an ability that I'm not sure is entirely down to coaching or skill levels (witness Tadic..). The ball still seemed to be accelerating when it passed the keeper on Monday night, and even if we don't see him this season I think next we'll see more. He's also tall and solid, with a good turn of pace so a pre-season and possibly some early Europa cup games :-) will start to improve on the rawness. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 There are any number of our Academy lads who'd do a better job given the chance than Elia or Diuretic. There was absolutely no need to have brought such rubbish in on loan in January. The thing with our own lads is they soon rise to the level required of them when given the chance. I'm not convinced that Koeman has the best interests of our own lads on his agenda. He's too hell bent on bringing in players, especially from the Dutch League. Gallagher needs more time in the light of his return from injury. Seagar deserves a place on the bench and a run out over Elia or Diuretic, and the likes of Sam McQueen, Hesketh ought to be there with him. Week after week the same old selections have failed of late. It's high time Koeman gives a chance to those who will give their all of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 AND...when Sam comes off the bench ..and scores the winner, Pochettino will try and cover his own embarrassment by claiming that he was responsible for giving Sam G. his chance last season, when in fact he had no choice.... because Lambert was out injured at the time....and he had no other option. To his credit, Sam came on ....and the boy did well.....but surely Martin Hunter & Co. should take more of the praise for coaching the lad in the first place. To be fair Sam has told me that MP was very influential in his development and was also very kind and good to him when his father passed away. I think MP will be monitoring Sam very closely. As far as I am concerned that goal was not a fluke, to be able to hit a shot like that with your weaker foot while running with the ball is a talent many managers would die for and at present we have no one in the first team who can score goals from outside the box. He's far from the finished article but I am pleased he is on a long term deal and predict even Smirking Saint may yet turn that smirk into a smile before too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 If you had seen his leg the night he broke it at Staplewood ( I was there) you would be amazed he even played again. Didn't he also do his cruciate on his first training session with the first team (as a 16 year old)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 The ability to strike a ball and risk a shot from outside the area? That slightly tongue-in-cheek comment aside, it's an ability that I'm not sure is entirely down to coaching or skill levels (witness Tadic..). The ball still seemed to be accelerating when it passed the keeper on Monday night, and even if we don't see him this season I think next we'll see more. He's also tall and solid, with a good turn of pace so a pre-season and possibly some early Europa cup games :-) will start to improve on the rawness. He needs to go out on loan, atleast for 6 months IMO. Pellè, J Rod, Long, Manè and A.N Other will all be better options than him next year. It was a great strike, but Ive no doubt all of our first 11 including subs have the ability to hit a worldie every now and again. Unfortunately it was a theme started under poch and subsequently continued (to a slightly lesser extent) under Koeman that shots from distance are not encouraged but possession on the edge of the box is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 To be fair Sam has told me that MP was very influential in his development and was also very kind and good to him when his father passed away. I think MP will be monitoring Sam very closely. As far as I am concerned that goal was not a fluke, to be able to hit a shot like that with your weaker foot while running with the ball is a talent many managers would die for and at present we have no one in the first team who can score goals from outside the box. He's far from the finished article but I am pleased he is on a long term deal and predict even Smirking Saint may yet turn that smirk into a smile before too long I totally agree that his (Monday night) goal was a bit special, and he's had a really tough year with his fathers demise and the long injury lay-off..... If he were to continue in that form in the remaining matches then he certainly would attract a lot of attention. Nice to hear he received special treatment in those circumstances, but I'd hate to think that MP would suddenly take credit for his development. I considered that Sam was already in good hands long before MP appeared on the scene, and people like Martin Hunter are really the unsung heroes much of the time. Sam's debut game was forced on MP, as JayRod was the only fit striker at the time. I was glad that he took the opportunity with relish. He surely has a good future ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 To be fair Sam has told me that MP was very influential in his development and was also very kind and good to him when his father passed away. I think MP will be monitoring Sam very closely. As far as I am concerned that goal was not a fluke, to be able to hit a shot like that with your weaker foot while running with the ball is a talent many managers would die for and at present we have no one in the first team who can score goals from outside the box. He's far from the finished article but I am pleased he is on a long term deal and predict even Smirking Saint may yet turn that smirk into a smile before too long I hope so Just to clarify, the lad has talent, but I dont think he is ready yet. If he can go somewhere like Forest or Derby I think it would do wonders for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 I hope so Just to clarify, the lad has talent, but I dont think he is ready yet. If he can go somewhere like Forest or Derby I think it would do wonders for him Can't agree that he's not ready when he was ready enough a year ago to get a string of substitute appearances in the Premier League and to score a goal. I'm not sure I'd prefer him over Shane Long who is an incredibly hard-working player but maybe they could both be on the pitch at the same time if Sam came on as sub for Pelle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 It would be nice to have another option but who do you leave out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 It would be nice to have another option but who do you leave out? Elia, Djuric or Gardos? Or **** it, let's not bother with a sub keeper, like WGS did a couple of times. Balls out, Kelvin plays and if he goes off, **** it Pelle your in goal *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 Morgan's pretty good in goal apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 at present we have no one in the first team who can score goals from outside the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 Can't agree that he's not ready when he was ready enough a year ago to get a string of substitute appearances in the Premier League and to score a goal. I'm not sure I'd prefer him over Shane Long who is an incredibly hard-working player but maybe they could both be on the pitch at the same time if Sam came on as sub for Pelle. Imo he wasnt ready then either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 ...... at present we have no one in the first team who can score goals from outside the box. and on current form.....not too many who can score inside the box either.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 Koeman at today's press conference: "Gallagher won't be involved in the first team this weekend - we already have enough first team players at the moment" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 Koeman at today's press conference: "Gallagher won't be involved in the first team this weekend - we already have enough first team players at the moment" His statement is a complete insult to the intelligence, football skills and ambitions of our Academy players. Not to mention insult to the fan base who have every right to hope the Academy players get chosen or are on the bench in preference to crap loanees such as Elia and Diuretic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 His statement is a complete insult to the intelligence, football skills and ambitions of our Academy players. Not to mention insult to the fan base who have every right to hope the Academy players get chosen or are on the bench in preference to crap loanees such as Elia and Diuretic. At least try to get remotely close to spelling the name correctly of the man you insult. You haven't even got the right letters, let alone the right order for them! Neither of them are crap, they clearly have a lot of talent and technical ability if you watch them. Gallagher will likely get his chance under Koeman next season, remember he is still only 19 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 At least try to get remotely close to spelling the name correctly of the man you insult. You haven't even got the right letters, let alone the right order for them! Neither of them are crap, they clearly have a lot of talent and technical ability if you watch them. Gallagher will likely get his chance under Koeman next season, remember he is still only 19 years old. I think he's doing that on purpose MLG. And it's ART. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 The name ? Just a play on words, still a strange thing for Koeman to say really why not just not say anything at all on the subject of Gallagher or wait and see or something. Such a definitive dissmissal as "we have enough first team players at the moment" well that smacks of someone cold calling for a job as an office clerk or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 The name ? Just a play on words, still a strange thing for Koeman to say really why not just not say anything at all on the subject of Gallagher or wait and see or something. Such a definitive dissmissal as "we have enough first team players at the moment" well that smacks of someone cold calling for a job as an office clerk or something. He was asked about him being included this weekend and gave an honest answer (surely thats what we want from a manager isn't it?)... we have players ahead of him in the pecking order for a place in the match day 18 squad. Koeman also said about Gallagher today... he is "a young player with a lot of development and a lot of interest for Southampton". Doesn't sound like a manager who doesn't rate him to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 His statement is a complete insult to the intelligence, football skills and ambitions of our Academy players. Not to mention insult to the fan base who have every right to hope the Academy players get chosen or are on the bench in preference to crap loanees such as Elia and Diuretic. Elia has played in a WC final. Gallagher will end up with a career akin to Matt Paterson. HTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 Gallagher will end up with a career akin to Matt Paterson. You think in 6 years time Gallagher will be playing in the 6th tier of English football? He is already significantly above the quality of that level and top Championship clubs keep being linked with a loan for him for next season... http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-Rams-linked-Saints-striker-Sam/story-26376285-detail/story.html Paterson got game time for us in 2008/2009 because we were a mess and had to play whatever kids we had good or bad. That is not the case now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 23 April, 2015 Share Posted 23 April, 2015 You think in 6 years time Gallagher will be playing in the 6th tier of English football? He is already significantly above the quality of that level and top Championship clubs keep being linked with a loan for him for next season... http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-Rams-linked-Saints-striker-Sam/story-26376285-detail/story.html Paterson got game time for us in 2008/2009 because we were a mess and had to play whatever kids we had good or bad. That is not the case now. He's more likely to be right than not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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