washsaint Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 Very, very disappointed that Reed did not start today. Seems a shame that, for whatever reason, Koeman does not seem to rate him. Davis and Tadic were truly awful and not worth their place in the team. Really hope Reed plays against Spurs. He won't let anyone down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 Will probably have to with Toby out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 Reed is more of a defensive player, so saying Tadic and Davis were poor isn't particularly relevant. The choice was more likely between Reed and Yoshida. For a tough away game like this I'm pretty happy with the decision to go with the experience and reliability of Yoshi and pushing Toby into midfield. I think it was a good call personally. Overall we looked solid at the back and ran the midfield I though, it was just sloppy individual errors which cost us the game. Poor finishing, mistakes by Fonte, Kelvin and some poor officiating. Tactically, I though we were decent enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 Reed is more of a defensive player, so saying Tadic and Davis were poor isn't particularly relevant. The choice was more likely between Reed and Yoshida. For a tough away game like this I'm pretty happy with the decision to go with the experience and reliability of Yoshi and pushing Toby into midfield. I think it was a good call personally. Overall we looked solid at the back and ran the midfield I though, it was just sloppy individual errors which cost us the game. Poor finishing, mistakes by Fonte, Kelvin and some poor officiating. Tactically, I though we were decent enough. This Reed is good, but he isnt the be all and end all, has literally no expansive game at all. And so I agree with Toby and Morgan today. Reed wouldnt of added anything else tbh. All this talk of the youngsters, just because they are highly talked off doesnt mean they are better than the established 11. The balance is right. We need probably a better striker and pergaps another attacking midfielder but there was nothing wrong with the midfield today really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 Tadic deserved his place but Davis has been shocking the second half of this season, properly properly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 Seems a shame that, for whatever reason, Koeman does not seem to rate him. Thats a very strange conclusion to jump to. We are 6th in the Premier League and have lots of competition for central midfield positions from international players. Harrison Reed is only 20 years old and Koeman has both given him experience of being on the bench and also some game-time this season. Why does that mean he "doesn't rate him"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 If Koeman didn't rate him I think we'd have kept Jack Cork, at least until the summer. No rush on Reed, give him time and integrate him slowly, not everything is about here-and-now. That said, I'd have him in against Tottenham due to lack of other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 If Koeman didn't rate him I think we'd have kept Jack Cork, at least until the summer. No rush on Reed, give him time and integrate him slowly, not everything is about here-and-now. That said, I'd have him in against Tottenham due to lack of other options. With you on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 Very, very disappointed that Reed did not start today. Seems a shame that, for whatever reason, Koeman does not seem to rate him. Davis and Tadic were truly awful and not worth their place in the team. Really hope Reed plays against Spurs. He won't let anyone down I fully agree. Koeman is getting quite a lot of things wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 Reed's time will come; as others have mentioned, Cork going could be assessed as a vote for HR's future once the well stocked defensive and holding mid-field is reduced with Morgan's exit. I can see Reed becoming more expansive in the box-to-box mould as time goes on. If anything, Ronald seems to underrate Reed to the same extent he overrates JWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 April, 2015 Share Posted 18 April, 2015 I fully agree. Koeman is getting quite a lot of things wrong. For someone who's likely to win manager of the year, just think what we can achieve when he stops "getting quite a lot of things wrong"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 19 April, 2015 Share Posted 19 April, 2015 Leicestersaint is the way forward. He is obviously in touch with the future bringers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 19 April, 2015 Share Posted 19 April, 2015 This is why I think England struggle with the national team, the top 6 teams don't play youngsters enough because they need to win many games. Since we started getting in the higher parts of the league we have stopped playing Taggert, Reed and Isgrove because we can't afford too. Try Chelsea and City in this discussion, they would rather buy a quality player than play a youngster coming through the ranks, we are starting to get like this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 19 April, 2015 Share Posted 19 April, 2015 Probably playing him Monday night.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 19 April, 2015 Share Posted 19 April, 2015 This is why I think England struggle with the national team, the top 6 teams don't play youngsters enough because they need to win many games. Since we started getting in the higher parts of the league we have stopped playing Taggert, Reed and Isgrove because we can't afford too. Try Chelsea and City in this discussion, they would rather buy a quality player than play a youngster coming through the ranks, we are starting to get like this too. Because we aren't chucking 5 new kids into the first team every season? You can only play the youth players when they're good enough. Targett (Taggert?) and Reed have shown glimpses of potential but at the moment the likes of Bertrand, Wanyama and Alderweireld are far superior players. The youth player who were good enough for regular football, were so good that they were bought for massive transfer fees. The next batch of youth players will get their chance, don't overreact just because they're not first team regulars by the time they are 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 19 April, 2015 Share Posted 19 April, 2015 Harrison has a Very Big game tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 April, 2015 Share Posted 19 April, 2015 Because we aren't chucking 5 new kids into the first team every season? You can only play the youth players when they're good enough. Targett (Taggert?) and Reed have shown glimpses of potential but at the moment the likes of Bertrand, Wanyama and Alderweireld are far superior players. The youth player who were good enough for regular football, were so good that they were bought for massive transfer fees. The next batch of youth players will get their chance, don't overreact just because they're not first team regulars by the time they are 19. It's also a problem because we're near the top of the table. If we had reached mid-table security with a few games left then we could afford to give the young and inexperienced a handful of games but whether you're struggling to stay up or fighting for Europe you need the best team out ere for every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 April, 2015 Share Posted 19 April, 2015 Is this another example of a player who is suddenly so much better, as he doesn't play? He's a good player, but he's not the answer to everything as some seem to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 19 April, 2015 Share Posted 19 April, 2015 Isn't Reed playing in the U21 final tomorrow? Would make sense to rest him against Stoke then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickendippers Posted 20 April, 2015 Share Posted 20 April, 2015 I would have preferred to see Harry in CM instead of Toby. Toby is an excellent centre back but I don't think he has the legs for RB or CM. Yoshi is a good reserve and doesn't let anyone down but I would have Toby there. Steven Davis probably needs a rest - he's just had an injury and lots of football. Clyne has already left, which is sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitsaint Posted 20 April, 2015 Share Posted 20 April, 2015 Im stunned anyone thought our defense looked solid . Both Fonte and Yoshida were all over the place . Our wide midfielders couldn't hold onto possession and continually put the defense under pressure . Pulling Toby out of his best position and replace him with a far inferior player seems like lunacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 pity he got yellow-carded twice and missed the end of the game. His no-nonsense style works well enough, but I fear opponents are going to be aware of this and may misuse his hard-man style to go down easily and influence the ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 pity he got yellow-carded twice and missed the end of the game. His no-nonsense style works well enough, but I fear opponents are going to be aware of this and may misuse his hard-man style to go down easily and influence the ref. You mean he's trying to become the archetypal ginger rat ? Works in the lower divisions,PL refs will have him off in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 Harry Reed is the next Paul Scholes, he bossed the first half last night, great first touch, always probing forwards, tackling, made the first goal with his run forward and shot. Was unlucky to get booked first time I thought does this suspend him for PL games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 Harry Reed is the next Paul Scholes, he bossed the first half last night, great first touch, always probing forwards, tackling, made the first goal with his run forward and shot. Was unlucky to get booked first time I thought does this suspend him for PL games? One match ban starts 14 days after the sending off apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 From the FA website... http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 I fully agree. Koeman is getting quite a lot of things wrong. Well, everyone except you thinks he's getting a lot of things right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 Im stunned anyone thought our defense looked solid . Both Fonte and Yoshida were all over the place . Our wide midfielders couldn't hold onto possession and continually put the defense under pressure . Pulling Toby out of his best position and replace him with a far inferior player seems like lunacy Seemed like the most sensible move before the match. And the defence wasn't under pressure, we looked completely in control all first half and at 1-1 we were still comfortably the better side. As I mentioned in the build-up thread, it was about whether Yoshida in the back line with Alderweireld was a better choice than Ward-Prowse in midfield with Schneiderlin sitting and Davis alongside him. As it turned out, Tadic shouldn't have been near the pitch with that performance and S Davis wasn't a great deal better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 21 April, 2015 Share Posted 21 April, 2015 I fully agree. Koeman is getting quite a lot of things wrong. Yes, he's rubbish, how much longer do we have to have him, so many fans could do better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 Well, everyone except you thinks he's getting a lot of things right. I agree. ..and the fact that we're most likely to finish in AT LEAST 7th place, would make it the best Prem.season ever, and help put the Pochettino myth in its place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 I agree. ..and the fact that we're most likely to finish in AT LEAST 7th place, would make it the best Prem.season ever, and help put the Pochettino myth in its place. You were included in the universe of "everyone" there, David. What's the specific Pochettino myth you're referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 I agree. ..and the fact that we're most likely to finish in AT LEAST 7th place, would make it the best Prem.season ever, and help put the Pochettino myth in its place. What myth is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 I'm assuming the myth is that he was a wonderful manager that dragged us kicking and screaming to 8th with his wily tactics and that without him we'd be Adkinsing around 17th. Though I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone actually say it, and there is certainly an element of "Pochettino's Plan A got us to 8th last season" along with the players improving on the previous season. So it's not really a myth, it actually happened, and he should certainly get some of the credit. The fact we didn't even look like coming top 6 like we have this season is where the discussion about relative success needs to happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 22 April, 2015 Share Posted 22 April, 2015 Harry Reed is the next Paul Scholes, he bossed the first half last night, great first touch, always probing forwards, tackling, made the first goal with his run forward and shot. Was unlucky to get booked first time I thought does this suspend him for PL games? The only similarities between him and scholes are that they are little, english and ginger. You'd of been better off saying he is more like Colback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 28 January, 2016 Share Posted 28 January, 2016 http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/28/por-rangers-eye-southampton-midfielder-reed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 January, 2016 Share Posted 28 January, 2016 Rangers ?......Sounds OK ....he should be able to handle that. I don't think he'd be scared of the " physical side " of Scottish football........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 January, 2016 Share Posted 28 January, 2016 Rangers would be a decent move for him if he was starting every week. After the fiasco loans of Stephens and Gallagher that is the priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 28 January, 2016 Share Posted 28 January, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3421861/Rangers-set-sign-Southampton-starlet-Harrison-Reed-loan-rest-season.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-city-linked-Southampton-s-Harrison-Reed/story-28630633-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 http://m.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-city-linked-Southampton-s-Harrison-Reed/story-28630633-detail/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 Rangers would be a good move big team pushing for promotion would be excellent experience for the lad. I can not see us loaning him to a PL rival like Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 Not sure about Rangers to be honest, well clear at the top of a very weak league. Not sure how much football he would get either. Probably better going to a league 1 club, with more chances to start. Really hope we aren't planning on selling him to Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3421861/Rangers-set-sign-Southampton-starlet-Harrison-Reed-loan-rest-season.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 typical ......halfway down the article they spell his name as "Reid " ...... and under the third pic. he is named " Targett ".....what sort of footballing person works for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 Rangers would be a good move big team pushing for promotion would be excellent experience for the lad. I can not see us loaning him to a PL rival like Swansea. I'm not sure they are our rivals this season, surely we'll finish way above them. If he helps them take points off our upper mid-table rivals (and he can't play against us) I don't see any harm if he joins them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 Just can't see Rees starting for Swansea so a loan would be pointless IMO. Wonder if he may feel a permanent move is better for him as hard to see him starting many games next season either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 Just can't see Rees starting for Swansea so a loan would be pointless IMO. Wonder if he may feel a permanent move is better for him as hard to see him starting many games next season either. Reed is probably not on a huge amount of pay (£2 to 5K per week), so we are probably not looking to balance the books etc. In which case we should structure any loan move on the basis of more games he plays, the lower the fee - even zero fee if he plays say 80% of the games. Would suit Rangers, and if he gets injured they pay 50% of max fee (both clubs take a hit) - or something like that?? About time we motivated loanee clubs to play our players or no point loaning them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 I'm not sure they are our rivals this season, surely we'll finish way above them. If he helps them take points off our upper mid-table rivals (and he can't play against us) I don't see any harm if he joins them. Any team in the PL this season is a rival IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 Any team in the PL this season is a rival IMO Damn straight. Sent from my E6853 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 Any team in the PL this season is a rival IMO (a) Only when we play them, or (b) if they threaten our position by overtaking us. (a) He can't play for them against us. (b) I very much doubt Swansea can overtake us. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 29 January, 2016 Share Posted 29 January, 2016 Any team in the PL this season is a rival IMO I would say so, the relegation scrap is heating up. At the moment we are comfortable but a couple of defeats and we could be right back in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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