The9 Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 I like the idea of pushing toby up to play alongside Morgan, and keeping a defence of Yoshi and Fonte to be honest. I just hope Yoshi can cope with Stokes physicality and the no doubt aimed passing to Crouchies head. They're not all that physical any more, though Yoshida in the air against anyone is a bad idea. I'd pick Gardos over him on that one (and only) specific criterion. Will be any two from Mame Biram Diouf, Walters and Crouch up top with Bojan inyured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 Didn't we used to be able to delete posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA SaintsFan Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 ------------Davis----------- Clyne Fonte Yoshi Bertrand -Schneiderlin -Alderweireld- Djuricic*-------JWP------Mane -------------Pellè----------- *if fit I would save Long for the bench. He and Tadic to come on and refresh us. I disagree. When Tadic came on in the 2nd half our attacked looked significantly better, a lot more creative. I think he is nailed on to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 Why are a fair few people leaving out Steven Davis! Whilst he didn't have his best game vs Hull, personally think he's important to how we play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 well, they wont have Moses. Out for the season also http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/242849/why-southampton-where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 They're not all that physical any more, though Yoshida in the air against anyone is a bad idea. I'd pick Gardos over him on that one (and only) specific criterion. Will be any two from Mame Biram Diouf, Walters and Crouch up top with Bojan inyured. I think Yoshida has excelled under Koeman and was brilliant against Hull. I remember West Ham at home and he won virtually every header against Carroll. Think he is more physical than people give him credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 I think Yoshida has excelled under Koeman and was brilliant against Hull. I remember West Ham at home and he won virtually every header against Carroll. Think he is more physical than people give him credit for. He's dismal in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 I think Yoshida has excelled under Koeman and was brilliant against Hull. I remember West Ham at home and he won virtually every header against Carroll. Think he is more physical than people give him credit for. Yep I used to think he was garbage, but he's came on leaps and bounds this year. He's literally perfect for cover at cb, the best quality we can hope for to be happy with that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 He's dismal in the air. Can't agree with that I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 well, they wont have Moses. Out for the season also http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/242849/why-southampton-where They're a very strange bunch. Incredibly bitter about being seen as a 'long ball' team (why they care what others think is a bit of a mystery) and this was in spite of spending vast amounts of money under Pulis that didn't really get them very far. Their academy is not worth mentioning and as a result this right now is as good it gets for them, and the bitterness at seeing a similar sized club outperforming them in every way must be frustrating. Personally I can't stand Mark Hughes, the man moans at everything to the extent that I don't even bother listening to his post match views anymore as they're so unreliable. Done an decent job though and they're hard to beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 He's dismal in the air. He's a premier league Centre Back, quite obviously 'dismal' is a crazy exaggeration. Davis Clyne Fonte Toby Bertrand Davis Schniederlin JWP Mané Pelle Tadic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 (edited) Davis Clyne Fonte Toby Bertrand -------Schniederlin--------- -----JWP---------Davis------ Tadic-------------------Long ------------Pelle-------------- Thought our midfield looked much better in the second half on Saturday when we moved to this kind of formation, so would like to see us stick with this. Use Mane's pace off the bench later in the game. Edited 14 April, 2015 by Saint Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 Long over Mane? Madness. Mane is our best attacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 Can't agree with that I'm afraid. Would you like 2 years' worth of examples of him completely misjudging and running under high balls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 He's a premier league Centre Back, quite obviously 'dismal' is a crazy exaggeration. As I said above, it's the only area of defending where I'd rate Gardos better than Yoshida. Because Yoshida can't judge a ball in the air. Other elements of his game make him a borderline top half Prem centre back (who looks a lot better with the players around him), but heading is not a strength of his by any means. I suspect Koeman agrees given that he took Gardos off and brought Yoshida on against Arsenal on New Year's Day when it was spotted that Arsenal had 4 five-foot not-muchers in the attacking positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 April, 2015 Share Posted 14 April, 2015 Would you like 2 years' worth of examples of him completely misjudging and running under high balls? Yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Well they are the second oldest professional football club, only that giant of a club Notts County can beat that. Must have been lonely being the only professional club at the beginning. I wonder what Notts County did back then, play with themselves every week? Anyway, back on topic. Only a moron predicts anything other than 1-0. Stoke 1 Saints 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Why are a fair few people leaving out Steven Davis! Whilst he didn't have his best game vs Hull, personally think he's important to how we play! Underrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 He's dismal in the air. There is something weird about this statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Must have been lonely being the only professional club at the beginning. I wonder what Notts County did back then, play with themselves every week? Anyway, back on topic. Only a moron predicts anything other than 1-0. Stoke 1 Saints 2. My claim is that picking anything but a one goal victory is suboptimal not that you should always pick 1-0. Of course, this week my system picked 1-1 because Stoke is at home and fairly close to us in the standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 I'm just off to the Britannia for a spot of lunch. #justsaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Personally would play Reed above JWP. Stoke press & niggle. IMHO Reed is better at that than JWP. Davis Toby, Fonte, Yoshi, Ryan Morgan, Davis, Reed Mane, Long, Pelle Think Clyne is outstanding, but don't think his comments recently have helped the team so would continue with Toby at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Personally would play Reed above JWP. Stoke press & niggle. IMHO Reed is better at that than JWP. Davis Toby, Fonte, Yoshi, Ryan Morgan, Davis, Reed Mane, Long, Pelle Think Clyne is outstanding, but don't think his comments recently have helped the team so would continue with Toby at RB. Well I'd play Clyne firstly, and secondly, did you purposely put pelle on the wing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 I'm just off to the Britannia for a spot of lunch. #justsaying. Just saying what....? (sorry, I'm usually slow on the up-take on this kinda thing.... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Personally would play Reed above JWP. Stoke press & niggle. IMHO Reed is better at that than JWP. Davis Toby, Fonte, Yoshi, Ryan Morgan, Davis, Reed Mane, Long, Pelle Think Clyne is outstanding, but don't think his comments recently have helped the team so would continue with Toby at RB. If Toby starts at RB then Tadic must be on the right forward position. Toby is not the type to make surging runs so we need Tadic's skill as an outlet in front of him, let his ballwork relieve the pressure on the back four rather then some overlapping pace. Even then.... just start Tadic, we looked so much better with him on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 I disagree. When Tadic came on in the 2nd half our attacked looked significantly better, a lot more creative. I think he is nailed on to start. Yes, that's why I would save him and use him from the bench. He does seem to play better when coming on as sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Yes, that's why I would save him and use him from the bench. He does seem to play better when coming on as sub. To be fair, even I'd have looked decent coming on in the 2nd half after that 1st half, and I'm not a footballer! But I think Tadic has been managed pretty well in the last few months, I think it's clear he suffered a pretty big burn out around December time and he picked up a few niggles here and there....but if we can get him and Pelle back, at their start of the season level, for the run-in....then we have every chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 To be fair, even I'd have looked decent coming on in the 2nd half after that 1st half, and I'm not a footballer! But I think Tadic has been managed pretty well in the last few months, I think it's clear he suffered a pretty big burn out around December time and he picked up a few niggles here and there....but if we can get him and Pelle back, at their start of the season level, for the run-in....then we have every chance. This all the way. If they finish the season on top top form like they started, then we're golden and anything's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 It always seems to be a decent game at Stoke away, looking forward to it. Hope for no more repeats of wonder goals or GK cock ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 To be fair, even I'd have looked decent coming on in the 2nd half after that 1st half, and I'm not a footballer! But I think Tadic has been managed pretty well in the last few months, I think it's clear he suffered a pretty big burn out around December time and he picked up a few niggles here and there....but if we can get him and Pelle back, at their start of the season level, for the run-in....then we have every chance. Agree that. It's just how to get the best from Tadic. Do we play him from the start and when he burns out on 60 mins, replace him? Or just give him the final 30 minutes when he is fresh and can play to the max? I'm in the second group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 My claim is that picking anything but a one goal victory is suboptimal not that you should always pick 1-0. Of course, this week my system picked 1-1 because Stoke is at home and fairly close to us in the standings. Fair enough. Stoke 1 Saints 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 It always seems to be a decent game at Stoke away, looking forward to it. Hope for no more repeats of wonder goals or GK cock ups. It's been 17 months since we last went to the Britannia! wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 It's been 17 months since we last went to the Britannia! wow. Not if you went to the League Cup game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Why are a fair few people leaving out Steven Davis! Whilst he didn't have his best game vs Hull, personally think he's important to how we play! Because he is plotting to break the Good Friday agreement. That and the fact people may actually not mind losing, something that has mostly happened...without Davis on the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Yes please Ok, well I'll start with the West Brom game when we got completely done on the break by Lukaku, when he did it about five times. He also did it a LOT on his debut (admittedly this was probably because he was at right back). One of the reasons we were so susceptible to conceding goals under Pochettino was that the pressing game and pushed forward full backs left us with basically a back two, of which one could not win a clearance. He also got taken apart in the air against West Ham when we lost 4-1 there. And at Everton when Coleman's crossing did for us a few weeks before. Anyway, I'm still in 2012, this will get very boring, and he hasn't improved in the air since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Because he is plotting to break the Good Friday agreement. That and the fact people may actually not mind losing, something that has mostly happened...without Davis on the pitch! I am about to stat-check that for you. Matches withS Davis W 18 D 5 L 9 As a %: 56-16-28 Matches withoutS Davis W3 D1 L3 As a %: 43-14-43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 None of them score enough goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 (edited) Ok, well I'll start with the West Brom game when we got completely done on the break by Lukaku, when he did it about five times. He also did it a LOT on his debut (admittedly this was probably because he was at right back). One of the reasons we were so susceptible to conceding goals under Pochettino was that the pressing game and pushed forward full backs left us with basically a back two, of which one could not win a clearance. He also got taken apart in the air against West Ham when we lost 4-1 there. And at Everton when Coleman's crossing did for us a few weeks before. Anyway, I'm still in 2012, this will get very boring, and he hasn't improved in the air since. So you're basically plucking out games where we lost heavily -and Yoshida featured and hope nobody remembers the specifics of the game. For instance, Yoshida played fullback against West Ham and was largely untested from headers, compared to Jos and Fonte. Again we were murdered at Everton not because of Yoshida's ability in the air but because we Adkins opted to play a virtual 4-2-4 with JWP and Davis as covering midfielders. With such fine reasoning on your part, we might just as easily conclude that Fonte's poor in the air. But anyway do continue Edited 15 April, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 (edited) So you're basically plucking out games where we lost heavily -and Yoshida featured and hope nobody remembers the specifics of the game. For instance, Yoshida played fullback against West Ham and was largely untested from headers, compared to Jos and Fonte. Again we were murdered at Everton not because of Yoshida's ability in the air but because we Adkins opted to play a virtual 4-2-4 with JWP and Davis as covering midfielders. With such fine reasoning on your part, we might just as easily conclude that Fonte's poor in the air. But anyway do continue I am not in a position to access the endless footage of him misreading headers which led to us signing Lovren at the end of that season (and Forren, and Gardos since) and then getting Alderweireld in the year after, so that's all you're getting. But yeah, true, he did play full back in that game, I remember him chasing Benayoun back as they played in behind him. [Edit - that was the second goal, see below]. Hey, but would you look at that, he was centrally defending for Noble's free-kick which floated straight over his head into the back of the net... (about 2:30 here http://www.downvids.net/west-ham-united-vs-southampton-4-1-highlights--262022.html). Oh, and he went under a header out on the touchline after the throw in leading to their 4th. But anyway. I don't make this stuff up. Edited 15 April, 2015 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Fair enough. Stoke 1 Saints 3 Maybe I should change my mind and pick a 3-3 draw. That would show you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 As I said above, it's the only area of defending where I'd rate Gardos better than Yoshida. Because Yoshida can't judge a ball in the air. Other elements of his game make him a borderline top half Prem centre back (who looks a lot better with the players around him), but heading is not a strength of his by any means. I suspect Koeman agrees given that he took Gardos off and brought Yoshida on against Arsenal on New Year's Day when it was spotted that Arsenal had 4 five-foot not-muchers in the attacking positions. "Heading is not his strength" is a fair statement. Calling him "dismal in the air" was what I had an issue with. There's just no need to use such negative hyperbole to describe one of your own players IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 (edited) I am not in a position to access the endless footage of him misreading headers which led to us signing Lovren at the end of that season (and Forren, and Gardos since) and then getting Alderweireld in the year after, so that's all you're getting. But yeah, true, he did play full back in that game, I remember him chasing Benayoun back as they played in behind him. [Edit - that was the second goal, see below]. Hey, but would you look at that, he was centrally defending for Noble's free-kick which floated straight over his head into the back of the net... (about 2:30 here http://www.downvids.net/west-ham-united-vs-southampton-4-1-highlights--262022.html). Oh, and he went under a header out on the touchline after the throw in leading to their 4th. But anyway. I don't make this stuff up. Am sure you can find errors but then again it's hardly surprising when you've pulled out some of our heaviest defeats since we've been in the PL -a cherrypicked slither from a large sample size- which largely coincided with Yoshida's debut season, indeed his first few games and what was a baptism of fire for the club as a whole. In other words, unsure what it's relevance is, nearly three years on, when Yoshida, like the team, has made evident improvements. To use your example, this is not the Yoshida who struggled against Lukaku when he was at WBA but the one who neutered him when we beat Everton a few months ago. Yoshida can sometimes struggle against more powerful and pacy forwards but that has more to do with his tendency to go tight as he tries to insert himself between attacker and direct ball. At times, this has seen him get turned and caused problems. But Crouch isn't that kind of forward, assuming he's even playing. And 'dismal' is just as ridiculous as your assertion that Shane Long is some kind of creative spark or game changer. Edited 15 April, 2015 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Long over Mane? Madness. Mane is our best attacker. Thought Mane had his poorest game for a long while against Hull, whereas Long looked a threat and won the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 Maybe I should change my mind and pick a 3-3 draw. That would show you. If you do I'll raise you 4-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 well, they wont have Moses. Out for the season also http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/242849/why-southampton-where Quite a refreshing read, and with the exception of probably two posts, pretty objective and informed stuff. They obviously don't read our Forum though or they'd be aware its a fluke where we are in the table 'cos many of our players are considered sh!t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 Forgot all about the conference!!! Still live tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 Forgot all about the conference!!! Still live tho... Jay Rod back training with the first team squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 Djuricic still out injured. Mayuka back in training next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 Djuricic still out injured. Mayuka back in training next week All our problems solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 All our problems solved ikr. finally, pelle can have his rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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