Redslo Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Based upon yesterday's game, our priority list looks like: Tadic Ward-Prowse Mane Do I have it right?
max_saints Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Think the commentator said Bertrand wanted to have a go at it as well until RK stepped in and insisted JWP take it. Weird that Pelle was nowhere in sight...
NickG Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Have a listen to RK post match, think he said JWP is first choice when on the field as Tadic missed one.
scotty Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 To be fair, that was the most convincing pen we've taken for ages.
a1ex2001 Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Weird that Pelle was nowhere in sight... I always think it is odd when a centre forward doesn't take them, he waits all game for an opportunity one on one from 12 yards so should be desperate to be first choice!
Redslo Posted 12 April, 2015 Author Posted 12 April, 2015 Have a listen to RK post match, think he said JWP is first choice when on the field as Tadic missed one. I didn't hear that but will go have a listen. I assumed that Mane grabbed the ball because he was the designated kicker at the start of the game. The Tadic stuff would be new information which couldn't be deduced today because Tadic came on after the penalty.
RoswellSaint Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Looked like RK sent Bertrand over to say JWP was taking it. For once, I was there.
jasonb Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Happy to see JWP take them when playing. He looked confident and hit the ball well. Someone needs to step up and if RK has designated JWP he must fancy him. Have not been confident with Tadic taking them. As others said odd that Pelle doesn't seem to fancy them.
Saint In Exile Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 RK stated on the radio that Tadic is the designated taker, then JWP and if neither of them are on the pitch then it's Schneiderlin
Redslo Posted 12 April, 2015 Author Posted 12 April, 2015 RK stated on the radio that Tadic is the designated taker, then JWP and if neither of them are on the pitch then it's Schneiderlin just recently or a while back? Can you provide a link?
Jesse Pingman Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Pellè had only something like a 50/50 penalty conversion rate at Feyenoord, so I doubt he'll be high on the list. It was pretty funny, they switched player almost every 2 penalties since none could take them well. At one point they missed 5 penalties in a row, with Pellè taking 2 of those. Tadic though, he had something like 7/8 penalties scored.
Saint In Exile Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 just recently or a while back? Can you provide a link? It was in his post match interview on Solent yesterday
Redslo Posted 12 April, 2015 Author Posted 12 April, 2015 It was in his post match interview on Solent yesterday Thank you.
Dig Dig Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 RK stated on the radio that Tadic is the designated taker, then JWP and if neither of them are on the pitch then it's Schneiderlin I thought he said that JWP was first choice pen taker when he is on the pitch? He also sent Fonte over to make she prowsey did take it and was annoyed that Mane tried to considering that the instruction was always for it to be him prior to the game.
Coxford_lou Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 I thought he said that JWP was first choice pen taker when he is on the pitch? He also sent Fonte over to make she prowsey did take it and was annoyed that Mane tried to considering that the instruction was always for it to be him prior to the game. From the Mail: There was almost an incident when Sadio Mane initially picked the ball up to take the kick. ‘I had to shout to our captain Jose Fonte to stop Mane,’ Koeman admitted. ‘It was a difficult situation. James Ward-Prowse and Dusan Tadic are our first and second choice to take penalties. It’s a problem with Mane, but the rules in the team are more important.’
Coxford_lou Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 seems mane is a bit of a big time charlie That seems harsh. I think he's probably just a bit over enthusiastic.
Batman Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 That seems harsh. I think he's probably just a bit over enthusiastic. of course it is harsh, we cant say that about a saints player he was also dropped for turning up late, you have koeman a few times now stating that their is a 'problem' with mane and the rules of the team are more important etc just a little bit of a 'character' no doubt. Nothing major
krissyboy31 Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 seems mane is a bit of a big time charlie I'd rather that than players shying away from taking penalties. The more players we've got who are confident to take penalties, the better IMO.
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 That seems harsh. I think he's probably just a bit over enthusiastic. ...and accepted being overruled without argument.
Kingsland Codger Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Mmmm.. so we have criticisms of Pelle for not being enthusiastic and criticisms of Mane for being excessively keen. We are indeed a tough bunch to please. Well done to JWP for his composed and confident approach.
Batman Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Mmmm.. so we have criticisms of Pelle for not being enthusiastic and criticisms of Mane for being excessively keen. We are indeed a tough bunch to please. Well done to JWP for his composed and confident approach. We? just pointing out it was Koeman who said 'it is a problem with mane' i like the fella. I want players to step up. Just raising the point
Coxford_lou Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Mmmm.. so we have criticisms of Pelle for not being enthusiastic and criticisms of Mane for being excessively keen. We are indeed a tough bunch to please. Well done to JWP for his composed and confident approach. Yes, except mine wasn't a criticism. I love Mane, and have been championing him right from day one.
Graffito Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Think there's a touch of Papa Waigo about Mane. Exuberant and maybe slightly nuts.
supersonic Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Tadic doesn't exactly fill me with confidence on penalties. 2/3 this year isn't bad and the one he missed was from a cracking save rather than a poor penalty. However, the 2 he's scored have been down the middle. JWP looked confident stepping up and strikes a decent ball. Gerrard/Lampard are similar midfielders who take penalties and have fairly decent records. As people have said, Pelle's penalty record is pretty poor and some strikers just don't fancy them (Jason Dodd and Leighton Baines have a better record than Michael Owen for example)
Saint IQ Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Tadic takes them similarly to Hazard though not as well, whereby they rarely strike them hard in the corners but they wait for the keeper to move and put it the other way. Much prefer the way Rickie took them, hard as possible in one of the corners.
Secret Site Agent Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 The reason for Pelle not taking them i reckon is down to his abilities and, like a lot of strikers, the ability to act without mental planning, i.e. acting on instinct, making a snap judgement bsed on the cursory amounbt of information. Penalty takers are ones who have to go through a longer process of planning,removing distractions,and acting deliberatly. Two different mental abilities which some have both, but not Pelle. So he leaves this to those that can, and I would guess, can also take a good free kick as well.
Saint_clark Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 seems mane is a bit of a big time charlie I don't think that at all, quite the opposite. He seems very humble and happy to be a part of the team in his interviews, i remember hearing him say that he is 'not special' in one although i can't quite recall the context. He was first choice pen taker at the start and then just forgot that ward-prowse had come on and therefore become the pen taker. That's all.
Saint_clark Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 We? just pointing out it was Koeman who said 'it is a problem with mane' i like the fella. I want players to step up. Just raising the point I'd wager Koeman hadn't spoken to mane about it at that point, but he probably meant that Mane had a problem with not being allowed to take the penalty, not that Mane himself was a problem.
Ewell Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 The way JWP tucked away that penalty yesterday then I think he should be on them for the foreseeable future.
dronskisaint Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 To be fair, that was the most convincing pen we've taken for ages. Lambertesque...lovely if we had a penalty taker who pretty much guaranteed a goal - could it be JWP?
Deano6 Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Tadic takes them similarly to Hazard though not as well, whereby they rarely strike them hard in the corners but they wait for the keeper to move and put it the other way. Much prefer the way Rickie took them, hard as possible in one of the corners. Not really, since it hit the keeper against both Burnley and Chelsea!
krissyboy31 Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 The way JWP tucked away that penalty yesterday then I think he should be on them for the foreseeable future. The problem is he is not guaranteed to be on the pitch but I agree, he should be if he is.
Dark Munster Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 I'd rather that than players shying away from taking penalties. The more players we've got who are confident to take penalties, the better IMO. Exactly, we don't want to be a Feyenoord-situation of no-one being keen, or good. Happy to see JWP take them when playing. He looked confident and hit the ball well. Someone needs to step up and if RK has designated JWP he must fancy him. Have not been confident with Tadic taking them. As others said odd that Pelle doesn't seem to fancy them. It's quite common for strikers to not fancy taking penalties. Ian Rush was one of the best strikers in Europe, but rarely took penalties. On top of that, Pelle's confidence is (was?) shot, so the last thing he needs is missing a penalty, to add fuel to that fire.
Ewell Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 The problem is he is not guaranteed to be on the pitch but I agree, he should be if he is. He is going to get more starts now Wanyama is suspended for two games, in fact my prediction is he won't be out of the team for the rest of this season and he will score another goal.
The9 Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 The reason for Pelle not taking them i reckon is down to his abilities and, like a lot of strikers, the ability to act without mental planning, i.e. acting on instinct, making a snap judgement bsed on the cursory amounbt of information. Penalty takers are ones who have to go through a longer process of planning,removing distractions,and acting deliberatly. Two different mental abilities which some have both, but not Pelle. Agree with this bit. Though the use of "instinct" always annoys me, like a caveman running through on goal knows to wait for the keeper to commit...
The9 Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Tadic takes them similarly to Hazard though not as well, whereby they rarely strike them hard in the corners but they wait for the keeper to move and put it the other way. I wish that was true, but I just think Tadic takes poor penalties. There doesn't seem to have been any waiting for keepers to commit to me, and the one against Chelsea was very much down the middle, which isn't where you put any penalty unless the keeper is completely gone. Courtois having got a foot to it suggests he just took another crap penalty - if he'd rolled it halfway down the other side of the goal, fair enough. But the others both went same side as the GK.
kwsaint Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Agree that JWP should be first choice penalty taker if on the pitch. Would also like to see big Vic have a go. It would take a brave keeper to get in the way.
Dark Munster Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Agree that JWP should be first choice penalty taker if on the pitch. Would also like to see big Vic have a go. It would take a brave keeper to get in the way. If his penalties are anything like his shooting then half of them would end up in row Z.
SuperMikey Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 JWP's pen yesterday was the best we've taken since Lambert had his last one. He strikes the ball very well so he should be able to get good placement on the ball as well as power.
angelman Posted 12 April, 2015 Posted 12 April, 2015 Based upon yesterday's game, our priority list looks like: Tadic Ward-Prowse Mane Do I have it right? Not sure where I saw/heard it, but the order is 1. JWP 2. Tadic.
Redslo Posted 13 April, 2015 Author Posted 13 April, 2015 Not sure where I saw/heard it, but the order is 1. JWP 2. Tadic. That appears to be what Koemann said after the game with Schneiderlin as third choice. Mane was just taking a run at it hoping the JWP wouldn't push the issue--which as it turns out he did not. Koemann and Fonte had to step in.
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