angelman Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 Would we want Cabaye? He's 29 and I am not sure we want to sign too many players who will have no resale value. But the money involved in the modern game is truly ridiculous and rather depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 Would live Cabaye. No one like him at the club apart from Ramirez. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 Or you could read it in the much more likely angle, we don't really need to go spending if we keep Toby and Morgan. We never replaced Cork, however much people rate Reed. If Morgan goes, we could arguably do with two CMs, as much for insurance purposes since filling the hole left by Morgan will be considerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 We never replaced Cork, however much people rate Reed. If Morgan goes, we could arguably do with two CMs, as much for insurance purposes since filling the hole left by Morgan will be considerable. Would the club look to potentially block the pathway for Reed and Ward-Prowse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 Ward prowse is the least effective player we have out on the pitch during matchday. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 (edited) Ward prowse is the least effective player we have out on the pitch during matchday. How many other 20 year olds can you name that had 6 assists in the Premier League last season? Edited 6 July, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 Sorry mate, would have reed over him all day long. At least he tackles. Dont rate him at all. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 Sorry mate, would have reed over him all day long. At least he tackles. Dont rate him at all. Not going to answer my question then? In terms of assists, only Tadic had more for us. So how was Ward-Prowse ineffective? Plus in any case, Reed and Ward-Prowse play in different roles and are each better than the other at different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 Would the club look to potentially block the pathway for Reed and Ward-Prowse? Koeman seemingly doesn't have a problem as he was keen on Vilhenna. And it didn't seem an issue when we offered Cork a new contract. JWP is neither a replacement for Cork nor Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 Koeman seemingly doesn't have a problem as he was keen on Vilhenna. And it didn't seem an issue when we offered Cork a new contract. JWP is neither a replacement for Cork nor Morgan. He can play in the same CM position, but his role would be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 He can play in the same CM position, but his role would be different. He's been most successful (relative term) when he's played further upfield as a CAM. He's played CM when we've been chasing a game; but it's very much a situational role. Points sbout Vilhenna and Cork's contract stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 I'd expected that Saints would get another CF in case Pelle doesn't deliver like he did in too many games last season? Guess I expected wrong then... People are seemingly forgetting Jay, or not expecting him to be a PL player after his injury. The fact of the matter is that pre-injury he was scouted by some of the biggest clubs, capped for England, and rated v v v highly. We've basically just acquired ourselves a £20m striker for this season. I never understood the clamor for another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 @bigadamsport: #saintsfc Ronald Koeman inferred in interview that signing of Juanmi ends interest in Djuricic & return of J-Rod & Isgrove ends Elia bid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 Would the club look to potentially block the pathway for Reed and Ward-Prowse? Could say that it would benefit them as they might learn a lot from someone like Cabaye on training day in day out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2015 Share Posted 6 July, 2015 This looks a half hearted rumour, even by tabloid standards. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/southampton-keen-real-madrid-starlet-6014436 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 People are seemingly forgetting Jay, or not expecting him to be a PL player after his injury. The fact of the matter is that pre-injury he was scouted by some of the biggest clubs, capped for England, and rated v v v highly. We've basically just acquired ourselves a £20m striker for this season. I never understood the clamor for another. Thanks S-Clarke and Appy, I stand corrected. Hope to see him play against Feyenoord this month or is this to soon for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/okjyqwwzyeg-n0nr8v9bra/Show/Player-Focus-Clasie-an-Ideal-Schneiderlin-Replacement-for-Southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/okjyqwwzyeg-n0nr8v9bra/Show/Player-Focus-Clasie-an-Ideal-Schneiderlin-Replacement-for-Southampton Nice article. Good find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport Dutch paper De Telegraaf saying #saintsfc bid €12m for Sevilla's Grzegorz Krychowiak - saying bid is derisory & ridiculous >> Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport >> De Telegraaf saying Jordy Clasie more realistic option & one Koeman turning to #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 I reckon Clasie will happen, for sure. Kind of like the worst kept secret, ever. Just need to get someone to agree to pay what we want for Morgan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 I reckon Clasie will happen, for sure. Kind of like the worst kept secret, ever. Just need to get someone to agree to pay what we want for Morgan. Interesting that Krychowiak/Imbula were supposedly the top targets though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 Interesting that Krychowiak/Imbula were supposedly the top targets though. Yeah, might be encapsulated by the bit on "The March" video yesterday - the bit where Les said about players: "that one's more difficult - shall we go for that one?" - 1st thing I thought of was Imbula! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 Yeah, might be encapsulated by the bit on "The March" video yesterday - the bit where Les said about players: "that one's more difficult - shall we go for that one?" - 1st thing I thought of was Imbula! Very true. Clasie makes sense now for the price he's reportedly available at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 Very true. Clasie makes sense now for the price he's reportedly available at. Very much. I don't recall Krychowiak's buy-out, but it was fairly hefty wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 Very much. I don't recall Krychowiak's buy-out, but it was fairly hefty wasn't it? About 23m euro's I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 About 23m euro's I think. About £16m? - Doable if we get the Morgan money - There was also talk that he wants Champs league though which could scupper it. Different physical attributes to Clasie, I believe - Quite powerful in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 About £16m? - Doable if we get the Morgan money - There was also talk that he wants Champs league though which could scupper it. Different physical attributes to Clasie, I believe - Quite powerful in the air. He's strong as hell, one of the best DM's in La Liga. Shame we didn't eye him up when he left from Rennes last season for about £4m! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 French press are linking us to Mario Lemina from Marseille, DM I think don't watch them so I couldn't tell you much about him. Probably cheap as chips though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 About £16m? - Doable if we get the Morgan money - There was also talk that he wants Champs league though which could scupper it. Different physical attributes to Clasie, I believe - Quite powerful in the air. Although at this moment getting any Morgan money is by no means certain. We want a lot and nobody seems to be overly keen on giving it to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 French press are linking us to Mario Lemina from Marseille, DM I think don't watch them so I couldn't tell you much about him. Probably cheap as chips though. Sounds interesting… "Mario Lemina was sent off for a punch to the groin of Ola Toivonen in a Ligue 1 match in February 2015." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 He's strong as hell, one of the best DM's in La Liga. Shame we didn't eye him up when he left from Rennes last season for about £4m! If we sold Morgan for £20m and got Krychowiak for £16m that would be one hell of a deal. The lack of Champions League football could scupper any move though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 Sounds interesting… "Mario Lemina was sent off for a punch to the groin of Ola Toivonen in a Ligue 1 match in February 2015." Obviously need a new bad boy then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goneawol Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 Sounds interesting… "Mario Lemina was sent off for a punch to the groin of Ola Toivonen in a Ligue 1 match in February 2015." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperMikey Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 He's got a great left hook on him! Handy to have that in our squad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/okjyqwwzyeg-n0nr8v9bra/Show/Player-Focus-Clasie-an-Ideal-Schneiderlin-Replacement-for-Southampton You really believe in Clasie then Convict? Well, I do too but I still have some doubts about playing with his physical condition in the PL but who knows... What would you prefer: holding on to Schneiderlin in his best form for another season or selling him for the fee Louis van Gaal is willing to pay (less than what Southampton is asking...) and getting in Clasie as his replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 You really believe in Clasie then Convict? Well, I do too but I still have some doubts about playing with his physical condition in the PL but who knows... What would you prefer: holding on to Schneiderlin in his best form for another season or selling him for the fee Louis van Gaal is willing to pay (less than what Southampton is asking...) and getting in Clasie as his replacement? I think any of us would love to keep hold of Morgan over anything, but we know it won't happen. Clasie seems an affordable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 I think any of us would love to keep hold of Morgan over anything, but we know it won't happen. Clasie seems an affordable option. Ok, if Schneiderlin is a player who won't whine when his transfer is delayed for another year it might be a good thing for the club to hold on to the asking price and not give in. I believe that Feyenoord will sell Clasie this summer because they already bought his replacement (Vejinovic) so maybe van Gaal will be p*ssed off badly with Koeman and buy Clasie. I can hear van Gaal already boasting that he made Clasie a better player than Schneiderlin, even when it's not true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 Ok, if Schneiderlin is a player who won't whine when his transfer is delayed for another year it might be a good thing for the club to hold on to the asking price and not give in. I believe that Feyenoord will sell Clasie this summer because they already bought his replacement (Vejinovic) so maybe van Gaal will be p*ssed off badly with Koeman and buy Clasie. I can hear van Gaal already boasting that he made Clasie a better player than Schneiderlin, even when it's not true... I think his 'head' is in a more stable place. I think he recongises that we're not going to block a move, but it has to be on our terms. He's come out in the media and has said as much.....''The club will let me go if a CL come along and bid for me'' If they don't...or don't offer what we want, close to what we want...then he'll get his head down. For what it's worth, It will get sorted out I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 I think his 'head' is in a more stable place. I think he recongises that we're not going to block a move, but it has to be on our terms. He's come out in the media and has said as much.....''The club will let me go if a CL come along and bid for me'' If they don't...or don't offer what we want, close to what we want...then he'll get his head down. For what it's worth, It will get sorted out I reckon. Sounds good S-Clarke, there aren't many players left who accept the decision of their club when it means they don't get what they want personally, even when it's a fair decision... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 Sounds good S-Clarke, there aren't many players left who accept the decision of their club when it means they don't get what they want personally, even when it's a fair decision... I think he learnt a lot from last summer, and having someone like Koeman around gets the respect. Koeman has already said he's had a sit down chat with Morgan since we've been back, and the message is clear. He wants to leave if a Champions League club come in for him. We've said...''ok, that's fine. We will let you leave if we get what we feel is a fair fee''. That's where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 7 July, 2015 Share Posted 7 July, 2015 (edited) You really believe in Clasie then Convict? Well, I do too but I still have some doubts about playing with his physical condition in the PL but who knows... What would you prefer: holding on to Schneiderlin in his best form for another season or selling him for the fee Louis van Gaal is willing to pay (less than what Southampton is asking...) and getting in Clasie as his replacement? I really don't think the physical side is a worry, when the EPL was really bad Dennis Wise thrived amongst giants as his will to win at all costs overrode his physical attributes. Football has evolved since then and judging on the 10 or so feyanoord games I watched this season for about 12mil Clasie is a steal and a captain in waiting for the team if needed. With regards to Morgan every player is part of the story and I think his part has come to an end. He has behaved as a professional and we should do everything we can to ensure that he is accommodated in his desire to join a CL club as long as an offer in the ball park is made. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Edited 7 July, 2015 by Convict Colony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 I really don't think the physical side is a worry, when the EPL was really bad Dennis Wise thrived amongst giants as his will to win at all costs overrode his physical attributes. Football has evolved since then and judging on the 10 or so feyanoord games I watched this season for about 12mil Clasie is a steal and a captain in waiting for the team if needed. With regards to Morgan every player is part of the story and I think his part has come to an end. He has behaved as a professional and we should do everything we can to ensure that he is accommodated in his desire to join a CL club as long as an offer in the ball park is made. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Clasie has some fighting spirit along with his technical skills and his ability to "see the game" (meaning that he sees the possibilities when his team is attacking and is able to deliver the right pass) but he lacks the stamina to go on for 90 minutes. The last six games or so with Feyenoord he was tired after 60 or 70 minutes and couldn't make any difference in the game. I don't have to tell you that the pace in the Eredivisie is for most of the time much lower in comparison with the PL and therefore I assume that Clasie will be wasted in the PL after 40 minutes or so. This is really something he should improve and I don't understand why he didn't work on this earlier, knowing that he's up for a move abroad. I saw a picture of him with Depay and he looked like some chubby fan beside his idol... Like I said somewhere else: you have to put him in the gym for a couple of months to get some muscles and "ausdauer" as zhe Germanz call it. His size doesn't have to be a problem, I agree, but then he has to improve the speed of his handling in order to outsmart his direct opponent. Maybe you remember him playing in the Dutch national team against Brazil at the WC where he played great as he got the time to do his thing. Recently he played with "Oranje" against the USA and he had problems because the Americans were constantly pressing. So there is some work to be done when Clasie makes a move to the PL and it will take him some time to adjust. Koeman knows this off course and therefore Southampton is the best choice for Clasie when he wants to go to the PL. If Southampton is not an option he better moves to Spain or Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 Clasie has some fighting spirit along with his technical skills and his ability to "see the game" (meaning that he sees the possibilities when his team is attacking and is able to deliver the right pass) but he lacks the stamina to go on for 90 minutes. The last six games or so with Feyenoord he was tired after 60 or 70 minutes and couldn't make any difference in the game. I don't have to tell you that the pace in the Eredivisie is for most of the time much lower in comparison with the PL and therefore I assume that Clasie will be wasted in the PL after 40 minutes or so. This is really something he should improve and I don't understand why he didn't work on this earlier, knowing that he's up for a move abroad. I saw a picture of him with Depay and he looked like some chubby fan beside his idol... Like I said somewhere else: you have to put him in the gym for a couple of months to get some muscles and "ausdauer" as zhe Germanz call it. His size doesn't have to be a problem, I agree, but then he has to improve the speed of his handling in order to outsmart his direct opponent. Maybe you remember him playing in the Dutch national team against Brazil at the WC where he played great as he got the time to do his thing. Recently he played with "Oranje" against the USA and he had problems because the Americans were constantly pressing. So there is some work to be done when Clasie makes a move to the PL and it will take him some time to adjust. Koeman knows this off course and therefore Southampton is the best choice for Clasie when he wants to go to the PL. If Southampton is not an option he better moves to Spain or Italy. Interesting post, cheers. By the way, what do you make of Vurnon Anita and Leroy Fer's relative struggles in the Premiership? Were they tipped as prospects when they came to England? Are there any lessons for Clasie and a potential move or are the situations/players too different to draw any conclusions from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 Interesting post, cheers. By the way, what do you make of Vurnon Anita and Leroy Fer's relative struggles in the Premiership? Were they tipped as prospects when they came to England? Are there any lessons for Clasie and a potential move or are the situations/players too different to draw any conclusions from? Personally I was never a fan of Vurnon Anita and I wondered why Newcastle took an interest in him, in my opinion he's nothing more than a squadfiller. But hey, I didn't like Daley Blind either ("tikkie breed" we call him in Holland because he usually plays the ball sideways or back to his goalkeeper) and look where he is now thanks to the friendship between his father and van Gaal! It probably has to do with the aura that shines around Ajax and it's players which attracts foreign clubs so much they're blinded. If Clasie played for Ajax he would have cost 6 or 7 million pounds more... I have more hope for Leroy Fer to succeed in the CL although we're also joking in Holland about him that he's aiming for the record in relegation in the PL. But he has the power, the strength and the technical skills to make it as an midfielder in the PL. He was injured regularly which wasn't helping him off course to get ahead but I guess his biggest problem is that he chose the wrong clubs. I mean, there's a big difference in playing for a club like Southampton who try to play real football or West Ham which looks like a bunch of lumberjacks. I reckon that it would have been easier for Fer when he played for Southampton and there's a lesson for Clasie to be learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 http://talksport.com/football/reports-southampton-planning-swoop-marseille-midfielder-150708155408 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 Southampton Holland @DutchSaintsFC Jordy Clasie in Dutch newspaper @ADnl: ''I've read Koeman's comments. If Schneiderlin leaves, we will see" #saintsfc *Saint-Armstrong re-tweeted it, so he should get credit for spotting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 Mirror live transfer blog has linked us with Vlaar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 Mirror live transfer blog has linked us with Vlaar. - After the world cup Vlaar - After last season Vlaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewildered Posted 8 July, 2015 Share Posted 8 July, 2015 - After the world cup Vlaar - After last season Vlaar Yeah, it would be a disappointment if Toby's replacement was a player coming off such a poor season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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