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With the new tv money and the money from the league finish etc, how much do you think we will spend this summer if we were not to sell anybody?

 

My guess would be between 25-30mil

 

Think we will try to sign the following providing no one leaves.

 

Gk-Maarten Stekelenburg loan?

RB- been linked with a few but if Clyne stays think it could be a up and coming one like Sam Bryam.

CB- Toby if not another first choice CB

MC-Jordy Clasie- lot of reports claiming we had a bid turned down in Jan as a replacement for Cork.

AM-Looking like Vilhena don't think Djucric has done enough for us to spend 9mil on him.

Winger maybe Elia but hasn't set the world alight but could be snip at 3mil after a pre season with us.

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Hull managed to spend about 25 mil last season and that was before they sold Long to us for 12mil.

 

So we should have at least 20mil to spend with all this tv money etc.

 

The wage budget was the 16 lowest in the Prem so must be room to add players to that.

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Hull managed to spend about 25 mil last season and that was before they sold Long to us for 12mil.

 

So we should have at least 20mil to spend with all this tv money etc.

 

The wage budget was the 16 lowest in the Prem so must be room to add players to that.

 

Wasnt that the wage budget last year? In the Krueger interview from the US that was posted here last week he said we used some of the transfer profits to budget for the wages of the signings we made across the years of their contract. Plus we also paid for Bertrand mid season.

 

We clearly need to sort the keeper situation and then either sign or replace Toby, Clyne, Morgan, Elia and Djuricic but will we do much more than that? Who knows, but certainly wouldnt need as many players as last summer IMO.

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We will need to sign up to 6 players in the window I reckon and that's even if we don't make Europa.

 

GK - With Forster out and Cropper gone, we are desperately light. If Gazza and Davis are to be relied upon we are going to have a 'testing' season. £10m

 

CB - Depends if Toby stays - if not then we need a replacement of his quality to partner Fonte. £7m

 

RB - Depends if Clyne stays - if not then we need a quality replacement. Circa £8m will probably be spent.

 

DMF - Morgan will go, so we need someone like Clasie to replace him or perhaps Reed to step-up. £10m

 

AM/Att - Can't see Elia retained based on his impact this season - although would we get the same quality for the money? And he's happy here on the bench. £3m

 

AM - I think Djuricic will be retained, but if not then we need someone of his emerging ability to be an impact playmaker. £8m

 

If we make Europa, then I expect to see more Academy lads coming through to rotate and integrate into the 1st team, but there might be a need to bring in one more quality striker such as Austin - perhaps £12m. So a potential total of £56m???

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We will need to sign up to 6 players in the window I reckon and that's even if we don't make Europa.

 

GK - With Forster out and Cropper gone, we are desperately light. If Gazza and Davis are to be relied upon we are going to have a 'testing' season. £10m

 

CB - Depends if Toby stays - if not then we need a replacement of his quality to partner Fonte. £7m

 

RB - Depends if Clyne stays - if not then we need a quality replacement. Circa £8m will probably be spent.

 

DMF - Morgan will go, so we need someone like Clasie to replace him or perhaps Reed to step-up. £10m

 

AM/Att - Can't see Elia retained based on his impact this season - although would we get the same quality for the money? And he's happy here on the bench. £3m

 

AM - I think Djuricic will be retained, but if not then we need someone of his emerging ability to be an impact playmaker. £8m

 

If we make Europa, then I expect to see more Academy lads coming through to rotate and integrate into the 1st team, but there might be a need to bring in one more quality striker such as Austin - perhaps £12m. So a potential total of £56m???

Your figures include Clyne and Morgan going which I believe we'll be able to recoup at least 30m from those two which leaves an outlay (based on your figures) of £26m. That's not a great deal and a figure I think we'll probably spend.

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We will need to sign up to 6 players in the window I reckon and that's even if we don't make Europa.

 

GK - With Forster out and Cropper gone, we are desperately light. If Gazza and Davis are to be relied upon we are going to have a 'testing' season. £10m

 

CB - Depends if Toby stays - if not then we need a replacement of his quality to partner Fonte. £7m

 

RB - Depends if Clyne stays - if not then we need a quality replacement. Circa £8m will probably be spent.

 

DMF - Morgan will go, so we need someone like Clasie to replace him or perhaps Reed to step-up. £10m

 

AM/Att - Can't see Elia retained based on his impact this season - although would we get the same quality for the money? And he's happy here on the bench. £3m

 

AM - I think Djuricic will be retained, but if not then we need someone of his emerging ability to be an impact playmaker. £8m

 

If we make Europa, then I expect to see more Academy lads coming through to rotate and integrate into the 1st team, but there might be a need to bring in one more quality striker such as Austin - perhaps £12m. So a potential total of £56m???

 

£56m assumes the cost of replacing Clyne and Morgan which would bring in c. £45m giving a net outlay of £11m? Good business I think (although not sure about Elia in particular)

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Just saying, wouldn't mind that Yehven Konoplyanka guy- imagine him on the right, Jay Rod on the left, Mane as our number 10 and Austin up front...

Having said that- I've only seen Konoplyanka yesterday (Europa League Final), and other snippets of him- so I am not sure if he will be a top 6 Prem player...

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Just saying, wouldn't mind that Yehven Konoplyanka guy- imagine him on the right, Jay Rod on the left, Mane as our number 10 and Austin up front...

Having said that- I've only seen Konoplyanka yesterday (Europa League Final), and other snippets of him- so I am not sure if he will be a top 6 Prem player...

 

Seen him on a few occasions, does not qualify me as an expert, but like the look of him. A very exciting player and he's a bit of a unit too...

 

He has been tracked by plenty of 'big' clubs so must have something about him. Would like to think we could compete for his signature (should we want him) if Stoke are considered a possible option.

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We won't be buying a second goalie for ten million pounds and we won't be buying eight front line players in this window. Get used to it.

 

I agree on the GK point but not so sure about your other point.

 

Assuming Clyne and Morgan go we will definitely be bringing in two replacements, plus at least one GK.

 

We will sign another striker.

 

We will sign Toby or another CB.

 

We will sign at least one winger or number 10.

 

So a minimum of six (unless Clyne or Morgan stay). Not so sure why you're adamant it will be less and six is near enough eight as not to merit such a stroppy reply (although I know that's your style).

 

I think Saint Fan Cam is probably pretty accurate with his predictions.

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Where is the money for wages coming from all these players? There isn't much left in the coffers at all. We bought a new team last summer. Les Reed has already said we won't be making too many signings at all.

 

I know it's fun writing a shopping list down every summer but is the expectation in the fanbase seriously that we are going to sign half a dozen first team players?

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Seen him on a few occasions, does not qualify me as an expert, but like the look of him. A very exciting player and he's a bit of a unit too...

 

He has been tracked by plenty of 'big' clubs so must have something about him. Would like to think we could compete for his signature (should we want him) if Stoke are considered a possible option.

 

Isn't he on a huge amount of money?!

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Where is the money for wages coming from all these players? There isn't much left in the coffers at all. We bought a new team last summer. Les Reed has already said we won't be making too many signings at all.

 

I know it's fun writing a shopping list down every summer but is the expectation in the fanbase seriously that we are going to sign half a dozen first team players?

 

Still money available from last years leavers, another huge TV deal, and then a bit of money from this years leavers.

 

Wouldn't be surprised to see us spend around £50/60m, especially if we get into Europe.

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Where is the money for wages coming from all these players? There isn't much left in the coffers at all. We bought a new team last summer. Les Reed has already said we won't be making too many signings at all.

 

I know it's fun writing a shopping list down every summer but is the expectation in the fanbase seriously that we are going to sign half a dozen first team players?

On the assumption that we're currently paying Elia, Alderweireld and Djuricic's wages, how many extra sets of wages are actually being discuss here? One or two?
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Rubbish.

 

Is there anything which suggests otherwise?

 

Still money available from last years leavers, another huge TV deal, and then a bit of money from this years leavers.

 

Wouldn't be surprised to see us spend around £50/60m, especially if we get into Europe.

 

The circa £30m 'left over' from last years leavers was gobbled up in the summer from the £27m we owed for previous transfer activity from the Cortese era. The new TV deal doesn't kick in until the end of next season. This years leavers is a different kettle of fish but it's all very well selling two player for £40m but then if you want to buy six with the money then you need to factor in wages into things and not just the transfer fee. Our wage bill is already more than the end of last season and a few players have signed new deals too. Our commercial activity for this season won't be great (the club has publicly said it is targeting the end of next season for gains) and we've only earned £4m more in TV money this season from last season so I just don't see where all this extra money is coming from for lots of signings.

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Where is the money for wages coming from all these players? There isn't much left in the coffers at all. We bought a new team last summer. Les Reed has already said we won't be making too many signings at all.

 

I know it's fun writing a shopping list down every summer but is the expectation in the fanbase seriously that we are going to sign half a dozen first team players?

 

Don't forget that there could also be a potential transfer/loan fee for Gaston Ramirez and Dani Osvaldo and the saving of their two wages which are both high up there with our top earners. I would be more surprised if we didnt bring in half a dozen and thats with out possibly having to replace Morgan & Clyne. We know we need one more striker (although that may be classed as JRod) & GK, replacements or the permanent signings of Toby, Elia, & Djuricic so there is 5 already without any beefing up of the squad. If we qualify for Europa I would expect to see a few more academy players bought through as well.

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And you think they'll be on our books next season?

 

The market for both is very slim. If they leave it frees up some wages but even then, I am not convinced there will be much wriggle room with all the new contracts signed and also that most of our young players will have wage increases factored into their deals as well.

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The market for both is very slim. If they leave it frees up some wages but even then' date=' I am not convinced there will be much wriggle room with all the new contracts signed and also that most of our young players will have wage increases factored into their deals as well.[/quote'] I think we won't be paying the vast majority of those two's wages at an absolute minimum. So, ultimately that leaves us with the addition of only a couple of wages at max compared to last season. Jack Cork is off the books now as well.

 

What might influence things is what we end up doing for a keeper. If we spend say £7m transfer fee and £35k per/week wages, that's probably not something we were budgeting for 5 months ago.

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We dont do too well when Morgan's not in the side so we will have to use his money to get a decent midfielder to replace him.

We will need to spend 15 mill alone to replace him, so total spend will have to be 30 mill at least.

 

If the Athletico rumour is correct then maybe not.

Morgan in exchange for Toby and 10m, Clasie being quoted at 12m. Would potentially be a good deal both financially and in terms of our squad.

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Up to £10m at most. We don't have much money for transfers and the wage bill is pretty maxed out.

 

If our wages bill is maxed out finishing top 7, filling a 32,000 seater stadium with the 5th lowest wage bill in the League then I look forward to winning the League next year, as every other club will be in administration.

 

There is room on the wage bill if we don't keep filling it up with 'squad' players like Djuricic or Ellia. I'd give Gaston and Osvaldo away for free at this point to get them off the books.

 

I personally was baffled when we gave Kelvin a new 3 year deal, which was widely received as "well done Kelvin, that's his reward for being a great servant". No, the reward for being a good servant was being paid my annual every 3 weeks for the whole time he was here.

 

Giving unproven players like Gazza and Mayuka such long contracts was daft too. 5 years for someone who cost £3m and has never played at this level? Players like that should get a 3 year deal and an extension if they impress after their first season. It's hardly like we were fighting big clubs for their signatures, we should be dictating these terms. Mayuka is Cortese's very own Tommy Forecast, he must have the best agent in football. We can't even give him away because of his wages.

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We obviously need a keeper for most of the season but also to push Forster - we will sign a youngish one for 4-6m I would guess.

Toby for circa. £10m or A.N.Other CB for similar

I think we will also get another CB for 6-8m unless they really believe in Gardos

If Clyne does go (for 10-12m?) - we will probably spend 5-6m on a RB

If Morgan goes (for 25-30m) - Clasie for 12-13, and 7-8 on Vilhena?

I think we will keep Elia - 1-2m?

A Striker is a no brainer - Austin or Ings for 10-12m hopefully

And I would expect another CAM or Winger for 8-10m

 

So 7 or 8 players 70-75m spend....about 40m recouped (not including anything for Ramirez and Osvaldo) which equates to about 30-35m spend.

 

If neither Clyne nor Morgan actually go then I would predict a spend of 45-50m to make the squad as strong if not stronger, so financially it actually makes sense to sell Morgan and Clyne assuming we have spotted replacements in cheaper markets!!

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Isn't he on a huge amount of money?!

 

Quite possibly but, if Stoke are in the mix, I don't think they offer wages far beyond our reach.

 

Perhaps he wants a crack at the premier league and 'bigger' sides interest have a) cooled, or b) not been appealing (may not fancy warming benches etc).

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If our wages bill is maxed out finishing top 7, filling a 32,000 seater stadium with the 5th lowest wage bill in the League then I look forward to winning the League next year, as every other club will be in administration.

 

There is room on the wage bill if we don't keep filling it up with 'squad' players like Djuricic or Ellia. I'd give Gaston and Osvaldo away for free at this point to get them off the books.

 

I personally was baffled when we gave Kelvin a new 3 year deal, which was widely received as "well done Kelvin, that's his reward for being a great servant". No, the reward for being a good servant was being paid my annual every 3 weeks for the whole time he was here.

 

Giving unproven players like Gazza and Mayuka such long contracts was daft too. 5 years for someone who cost £3m and has never played at this level? Players like that should get a 3 year deal and an extension if they impress after their first season. It's hardly like we were fighting big clubs for their signatures, we should be dictating these terms. Mayuka is Cortese's very own Tommy Forecast, he must have the best agent in football. We can't even give him away because of his wages.

 

Well said.

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Might be able to dump Mayuka off onto them in the bargain, Hervé Renard is probably the world's only football manager who actually rates Mayuka.

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