solentstars Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 there are some very sad people on this forum couldn't give a flying **** about anybody else unless it directly affects them well let me just give you one last reminder, i am sure i'm not the only person boycotting the games for this reason my boycott is directly affecting the standard of football you are watching. instead of giving it the "unlucky sucker" approach, perhaps you ought to be looking at the bigger picture and maybe asking questions of the club as to why they go out of their way to **** sections of their support off. if you dont subscribe to that view, make sure you're not moaning about the low attendance or the lack of transfer activity. i personally think, especially in the current climate, that the club is not doing enough to keep its punters happy happy new year to you all, even TDD loli think the biggest threat to attendances is the fact we are not winning games, pubs,clubs and eating out is a lot better because of the smokeing ban,i like alot of people had to put up with all the fumes and smells which went with it and no one bothered with my rights ,but i know with pubs at least they will let you go outside if you want to smoke . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Very emotive stuff but, as I believe it happened at half time, your last statement is meaningless. i meant it as in, by choosing to break the law he made a choice between staying in the ground for the 2nd half and watching his team or missing it because he thought he'd try n be clever and 'sneak' a fag the OP is not the first person to be ejected for smoking , so it's not like people aren't aware that if they smoke, they WILL be ejected!!!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Yes. Unless you can prove otherwise, it is against the law to smoke in a public area!! Therefore if I ignore the law and allow people to smoke in the pub - and by not doing anything about it, I will be regarded as sanctioning their actions - then I can lose my license! In the same way as allowing under age drinkers in the pub can lose me my license! Unfortunately I am not in a position to pick and choose which laws I will and will not abide by Further to this, wasn't there a publican in Blackpool who lost his licence because he deliberately encouraged smoking inside his premises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Further to this, wasn't there a publican in Blackpool who lost his licence because he deliberately encouraged smoking inside his premises? Indeed. http://www.thepublican.com/story.asp?sectioncode=7&storycode=62061&c=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 (edited) nice! you miss the point entirely (hardly surprising for a neanderthal) this has now cost the club my entrance fee at a time when every penny counts every pub and club has managed to implement something because they've had to to survive. if lowe could charge for the use of said designated smoking area, i'm sure he would implement something i wonder if you'll whinge when all we do is sell our best players in the jan transfer market and the crowds dip below 10k as we slide into oblivion cant wait till the cricket season! I have no sympathy at all. You know that there is a ban yet you complain about the club because you decided to ignore that ban and were ejected because of it. In this health and safety age and compensation culture I'm afraid someone or something has to be blamed for damned near every injury and illness that occurs and not only that, the rest of us have to pay in insurance premiums etc. What about the other fans who say they won't attend matches because they think inconsiderate idiots are breaking the smoking ban and the club is not enforcing what is law, and not necessarily the club's own choice in the matter. There is nothing worse than having smoke blown in your face when you don't smoke, regardless of where you are. Yes the club might have been heavy handed, but who put them in the position where they felt action needed to be taken? Edited 1 January, 2009 by stthrobber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Oh, stop whining, you pathetic ****. Do one you *****, hes got a fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 1 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I have sympathy at all. You know that there is a ban yet you complain about the club because you decided to ignore that ban and were ejected because of it. In this health and safety age and compensation culture I'm afraid someone or something has to be blamed for damned near every injury and illness that occurs and not only that, the rest of us have to pay in insurance premiums etc. What about the other fans who say they won't attend matches because they think inconsiderate idiots are breaking the smoking ban and the club is not enforcing what is law, and not necessarily the club's own choice in the matter. There is nothing worse than having smoke blown in your face when you don't smoke, regardless of where you are. Yes the club might have been heavy handed, but who put them in the position where they felt action needed to be taken? throbber by name....... try to understand the whole point of the thread before spouting a load of crap...... please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 who else thinks mattys caddy is on a wind up..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 1 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2009 who else thinks mattys caddy is on a wind up..? who else thinks TDD is from another planet? no wind up TDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 who else thinks TDD is from another planet? no wind up TDD im from planet sane..you are from planet spastic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 who else thinks TDD is from another planet? no wind up TDD TDD and I disagree on many issues. He is spot on here in his analogies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 who else thinks mattys caddy is on a wind up..? All he wants is to be allowed outside for a cigarette at half time - considering he has also owned up to breaking the law and has been subjected to a lot of 'secondary bigotry' about smoking in general, I think he has been very genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 All he wants is to be allowed outside for a cigarette at half time - considering he has also owned up to breaking the law and has been subjected to a lot of 'secondary bigotry' about smoking in general, I think he has been very genuine. Why should SFC be any different to an airline, a train, a submarine or anything else? I know people will say you can have a fag outside the theatre at the interval but there is only one place you go in and out of. For a football club to do that (Derby, I know... let's find a proper view on that) is just silly IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 All he wants is to be allowed outside for a cigarette at half time - considering he has also owned up to breaking the law and has been subjected to a lot of 'secondary bigotry' about smoking in general, I think he has been very genuine. Having had the smoking ban in place for 18 months now I think it is evident the club have no intention of allowing people outside at half time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 1 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2009 All he wants is to be allowed outside for a cigarette at half time - considering he has also owned up to breaking the law and has been subjected to a lot of 'secondary bigotry' about smoking in general, I think he has been very genuine. thank **** for that somebody else with some sanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 thank **** for that somebody else with some sanity I smoke also. This thread has gone on and on. I think the way to get some resolution is to call clubs that supposedly allow outside smoking and ask them how they do it. I will do it. Give me a list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 1 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Why should SFC be any different to an airline, a train, a submarine or anything else? can you believe this comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 can you believe this comment? Read above please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I went to the Indigo O2 at the Dome a fortnight ago to see The Who live. As smokers - me & my best mate had the back of our hands rubber-stamped & were allowed out the main entrance to have the odd ciggy in-between the support band and The Who - as did several others. The arrangement ran as smooth as anything with no problem whatsoever. The place was pretty hectic as Coldplay were in the main dome the same night - but never once was there a single problem or any confusion. Well done & congratulations to The Dome staff for a well-organised & executed arrangement. The Gestapo at SFC could do well to learn from them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 It must be a nightmare trying to light a cigarette outside a submarine, especially if submerged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denzil Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 They should just open the turnstiles at half time, it really isn't difficult. West Brom were doing it before the ridiculous ban came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I went to the Indigo O2 at the Dome a fortnight ago to see The Who live. As smokers - me & my best mate had the back of our hands rubber-stamped & were allowed out the main entrance to have the odd ciggy in-between the support band and The Who - as did several others. The arrangement ran as smooth as anything with no problem whatsoever. The place was pretty hectic as Coldplay were in the main dome the same night - but never once was there a single problem or any confusion. Well done & congratulations to The Dome staff for a well-organised & executed arrangement. The Gestapo at SFC could do well to learn from them... How do you propose this would happen at SMS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I was once asked to leave SMS for selling drugs. I was also prosecuted. This country is sh*t and so is the club. Lowe out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I went to the Indigo O2 at the Dome a fortnight ago to see The Who live. As smokers - me & my best mate had the back of our hands rubber-stamped & were allowed out the main entrance to have the odd ciggy in-between the support band and The Who - as did several others. The arrangement ran as smooth as anything with no problem whatsoever. The place was pretty hectic as Coldplay were in the main dome the same night - but never once was there a single problem or any confusion. Well done & congratulations to The Dome staff for a well-organised & executed arrangement. The Gestapo at SFC could do well to learn from them... So, you and the roadies could go out the main entrance for a fag at half time with your rubber stamps .... ... not really a very good point is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 It must be a nightmare trying to light a cigarette outside a submarine, especially if submerged. It's a TDD thing... phosphorus etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Why should SFC be any different to an airline, a train, a submarine or anything else? Why should a football club be any different from a submarine? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 They should just open the turnstiles at half time, it really isn't difficult. West Brom were doing it before the ridiculous ban came in. Yeah, that would be great at OT or the Emirates or Parkhead. I expect Saints are allowed different rules on H&S etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 So, you and the roadies could go out the main entrance for a fag at half time with your rubber stamps .... ... not really a very good point is it? Eh? What part don't you understand? You go to the turnstile at HT where a steward rubber-stamps the back of your hand & lets you out for a ciggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Why should a football club be any different from a submarine? LOL Both possibly going down, agreed. It was a TDD point made earlier about smokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Eh? What part don't you understand? You go to the turnstile at HT where a steward rubber-stamps the back of your hand & lets you out for a ciggy. I've been to the O2. All the Led Zep fans go out at HT for a weed at one go? Get real, my friend. I have said I will call the other CCC clubs and see what their policy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I have sympathy at all. You know that there is a ban yet you complain about the club because you decided to ignore that ban and were ejected because of it. In this health and safety age and compensation culture I'm afraid someone or something has to be blamed for damned near every injury and illness that occurs and not only that, the rest of us have to pay in insurance premiums etc. What about the other fans who say they won't attend matches because they think inconsiderate idiots are breaking the smoking ban and the club is not enforcing what is law, and not necessarily the club's own choice in the matter. There is nothing worse than having smoke blown in your face when you don't smoke, regardless of where you are. Yes the club might have been heavy handed, but who put them in the position where they felt action needed to be taken? Perhaps you should read the whole thread before jumping in heavy handed. The guy doesn't want to blow smoke in your (or anybodies for that matter) face. He wants some smoking arrangements at SMS. He doesn't want to break any of your H & S Rules or Regulations, he doesn't want to be (and nor should he be) blamed for your rising insurance premiums. He wants to have a cigarette - no more, no less. Now I don't smoke, but as others have pointed out on here, other entertainment venues have sourced quite simple yet workable solutions to this problem - therefore I see no reason why SMS cannot follow suit. Come the day when a working man can't enjoy a quiet smoke then we are in trouble, what next for the Government to govern? Strange that the Government has made strenuous efforts to provision for non smokers, surely it is discriminatory to therefore not make those same efforts for smokers - no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Strange that the Government has made strenuous efforts to provision for non smokers, surely it is discriminatory to therefore not make those same efforts for smokers - no? I do smoke but I agree with that point. But it's a non-effort. Smokers who can't accept the law are just like NIMBYS really, but the other way about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Why should a football club be any different from a submarine? LOL We've certainly run out of baking powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 (edited) ? Strange that the Government has made strenuous efforts to provision for non smokers, surely it is discriminatory to therefore not make those same efforts for smokers - no? smokers are not the disabled or the blind...people CHOOSE to smoke... Edited 1 January, 2009 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Rightly or wrongly I'll continue to puff away inside sms anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 smokers are not the disabled or the blind...people CHOOSE to smoke... Not quite sure what your point is in relation to disabled or blind persons. However, I fully agree with you, people do choose to smoke - as is thier right to do so. Like people choose to drink, drive (too fast in some cases), jump out of aeroplanes, ski, swim and a multitude of other lifestyle activities that all carry some element of risk to the participant or others in their vicinity. It is, to my knowledge, a free world - we may not like what others wish to spend their time doing, but we should all be tolerant to their needs. What happens when the 'drinking in public places' ban is introduced in a few years - where will all the drinkers go for their half time pint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Not quite sure what your point is in relation to disabled or blind persons. However, I fully agree with you, people do choose to smoke - as is thier right to do so. Like people choose to drink, drive (too fast in some cases), jump out of aeroplanes, ski, swim and a multitude of other lifestyle activities that all carry some element of risk to the participant or others in their vicinity. It is, to my knowledge, a free world - we may not like what others wish to spend their time doing, but we should all be tolerant to their needs. What happens when the 'drinking in public places' ban is introduced in a few years - where will all the drinkers go for their half time pint? since when is it a free world? we pay for everything we live within rules that (in this country) we get a small say in what those rules are.... one of those rules is that SMS is a smoke free zone...if you cant do with out a ciggy for 2 hours MAXIMUM..then I suggest you dont go to a football match, get on a train, get on a plane, go to the cinema etc.. your time would be better used getting some serious help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I can not for the life of me understand why this debate is still going on, the law states smoking in a public place is banned, M.C you paid the price for breaking that law get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 1 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I can not for the life of me understand why this debate is still going on. really? perhaps it could be because you've just bumped the thread to the top again when you spouted that complete load of ****e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I can not for the life of me understand why this debate is still going on, the law states smoking in a public place is banned, M.C you paid the price for breaking that law get over it.i agree the smokers are not victims,if the club do not want smokeing inside the ground that their choice,if smokers want a fag that badly have it outside before or after the game outside the ground or stay away, that their own choice. if you get caught inside you expect to be banned, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Perhaps you should read the whole thread before jumping in heavy handed. The guy doesn't want to blow smoke in your (or anybodies for that matter) face. He wants some smoking arrangements at SMS. He doesn't want to break any of your H & S Rules or Regulations, he doesn't want to be (and nor should he be) blamed for your rising insurance premiums. He wants to have a cigarette - no more, no less. Now I don't smoke, but as others have pointed out on here, other entertainment venues have sourced quite simple yet workable solutions to this problem - therefore I see no reason why SMS cannot follow suit. Come the day when a working man can't enjoy a quiet smoke then we are in trouble, what next for the Government to govern? Strange that the Government has made strenuous efforts to provision for non smokers, surely it is discriminatory to therefore not make those same efforts for smokers - no? i think it is YOU that should read the whole thread again.....by smoking in the concourse he was breaking not only H&S rules, but the law!!!!. another point i'd like to make is that those of you who want facilities for smokers outside do realise that you wouldn't be able to take your alcohol out there with you, don't you??...:confused:....(mmmmm pint or fag, fag or pint??) decisions,decisions............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 I can not for the life of me understand why this debate is still going on, the law states smoking in a public place is banned, M.C you paid the price for breaking that law get over it. lol. That's the attitude - just bend over and take it. No wonder the country's in such a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 since when is it a free world? we pay for everything we live within rules that (in this country) we get a small say in what those rules are.... one of those rules is that SMS is a smoke free zone...if you cant do with out a ciggy for 2 hours MAXIMUM..then I suggest you dont go to a football match, get on a train, get on a plane, go to the cinema etc.. your time would be better used getting some serious helpspot on post i think its more important about getting a winning saints side and getting fans threw the gate rather then this nonsence. i have mates who like a fag but who can go without at the football ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 since when is it a free world? we pay for everything we live within rules that (in this country) we get a small say in what those rules are.... one of those rules is that SMS is a smoke free zone...if you cant do with out a ciggy for 2 hours MAXIMUM..then I suggest you dont go to a football match, get on a train, get on a plane, go to the cinema etc.. your time would be better used getting some serious help We fully appreciate the rules - we are trying to work within them. The originator tested the rules and they work - he had a fag and was ejected. He now want to try and find a simple solution to a simple problem which has been solved in other venues. It's not a case of trying to inconvenience anybody else - it's not a case of trying to split the atom - it's a relatively simple problem. As for your 'if you can't wait for 2 hours.... don't get on a plane, train etc', yep, I agree, thats a solution - and here we are right back at square 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 1 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 1 January, 2009 i think it is YOU that should read the whole thread again.....by smoking in the concourse he was breaking not only H&S rules, but the law!!!!. another point i'd like to make is that those of you who want facilities for smokers outside do realise that you wouldn't be able to take your alcohol out there with you, don't you??...:confused:....(mmmmm pint or fag, fag or pint??) decisions,decisions............... no, micky was right, it is you who should read again also, if they wanted a license for outside in a designated smoking area, they could apply for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 i think it is YOU that should read the whole thread again.....by smoking in the concourse he was breaking not only H&S rules, but the law!!!!. another point i'd like to make is that those of you who want facilities for smokers outside do realise that you wouldn't be able to take your alcohol out there with you, don't you??...:confused:....(mmmmm pint or fag, fag or pint??) decisions,decisions............... Yeah many thanks - I think we have long established & accepted that fact. Solution....??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 We fully appreciate the rules - we are trying to work within them. The originator tested the rules and they work - he had a fag and was ejected. He now want to try and find a simple solution to a simple problem which has been solved in other venues. It's not a case of trying to inconvenience anybody else - it's not a case of trying to split the atom - it's a relatively simple problem. As for your 'if you can't wait for 2 hours.... don't get on a plane, train etc', yep, I agree, thats a solution - and here we are right back at square 1. there is a solution....dont smoke in SMS...simple really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 i think it is YOU that should read the whole thread again.....by smoking in the concourse he was breaking not only H&S rules, but the law!!!!. another point i'd like to make is that those of you who want facilities for smokers outside do realise that you wouldn't be able to take your alcohol out there with you, don't you??...:confused:....(mmmmm pint or fag, fag or pint??) decisions,decisions............... next thing is anyone who is hungry will want some chips outside from the burger vans as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Perhaps you should read the whole thread before jumping in heavy handed. The guy doesn't want to blow smoke in your (or anybodies for that matter) face. He wants some smoking arrangements at SMS. He doesn't want to break any of your H & S Rules or Regulations, he doesn't want to be (and nor should he be) blamed for your rising insurance premiums. He wants to have a cigarette - no more, no less. Now I don't smoke, but as others have pointed out on here, other entertainment venues have sourced quite simple yet workable solutions to this problem - therefore I see no reason why SMS cannot follow suit. Come the day when a working man can't enjoy a quiet smoke then we are in trouble, what next for the Government to govern? Strange that the Government has made strenuous efforts to provision for non smokers, surely it is discriminatory to therefore not make those same efforts for smokers - no? You are not banned from smoking just banned from blowing poisonous toxic fumes in peoples faces in enclosed spaces, you have a massive wider area you can smoke in without the need to use the smaller enclosed areas to smoke in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 really? perhaps it could be because you've just bumped the thread to the top again when you spouted that complete load of ****e I do have a little sympathy for you as I used to smoke, but one thing I will say is that when I get close to a smoker now, I think bloody hell I must have smelt like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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