no smoking!!!!

[Thedelldays]

 

 

a whole world of H+S issues....

 

 

hahahahahaha

health and safety police alert!!!!

you really are a different breed

you probably only have a job due to all the red tape that this nanny state produces

people like you are all that is wrong with this country, the fluffy do-gooders.

it really is so sad

 

 

how am I a different breed..they are not my policies..or the clubs..but the government..

 

i suggest you use your vote wisely when old gorden calls for an election...

[Ponty]

It's true though TDD, if it weren't for "health and safety" you wouldn't have a job.

[Matty's Caddy]

It's true though TDD, if it weren't for "health and safety" you wouldn't have a job.

 

hahahaha

how did i know

it would be funny if it werent so sad

[EastleighSoulBoy]

It seems that Coventry and Derby can do it...

 

Why do you keep associating wanting a half time smoke with 'putting the boot into the club'?

 

Just a thought, that maybe other clubs can afford to police this idea with extra stewards?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Oh dear - someone else a bit slow today. Let me spell it out for those a wee bit 'dim'.

 

The reason landlords are complaing like mad that the pub trade is dying is that supermarkets sell very cheap booze & they cannot compete. They barely ever mention the smoking ban - only the price comparison of a pub & supermarket.

 

I used to drink regularly in pubs - but due to the ban - I no longer visit any pubs - only in the summer when I can sit outside.

 

Because of the ban - I now buy cheap crates of ale from the supermarkets & stay at home where I can happily smoke away all I want.

 

It has nothing to do whatsoever with the cost of a pint in a pub that stopped me going - money isn't an issue thankfully. The only thing that stopped me going was the smoking ban. And the same goes for many thousands upon thousands of other people up & down the country too. Instead of give us the CHOICE of "smoking" or "no smoking" pubs - they elected to ban it in all pubs - and now many are paying the price. The whole non-smoking ban was ill-concieved and executed. That's this government all over. We don't like it = we ban it.

 

I do tend to agree with the point made about smoking and non smoking pubs. I drink in a Working Mens Club, mostly. I suggested in a big debate on this, why can't the members have a vote? Whatever the decision comes to the punters still had a choice to go elsewhere if it suited them. Then maybe after five years, to accommodate changes in membership and attitudes there should be another vote and thereafter every five years?

 

And I positively hate smoking.

[St_Tel49]

i was ejected from the ground at half time on sunday for smoking in the concourse.

i know what all you goody goodies are gonna say and maybe quite rightly so, but, after queueing for a beer for ages and the game about to restart, i found a quiet corner away from everybody else and what i thought was out of sight of the gestapo and tried to have a few quick puffs.

big mistake, over came half a dozen of the clubs finest and threw me out.

i had a few choice words for him, (i'd had a few beers) but went fairly quietly.

this brings me to my point

i've been finding it pretty easy to miss games as it is, can't make evenings, quite a few on tv etc, you get out the habit, but as i said at the start of the season, i will not go untill i can go for a fag at half time in a designated smoking area.

obviously, i let that one slip a bit but now i am determined not to set foot in there untill i am catered for.

Matty, I think that, as the law stands, the club would be acting illegally by providing a smoking area within the ground although I am happy to be corrected. This means that they could only provide areas outside the ground - but if you leave the ground you cannot be readmitted - catch 22 and all that. I don't know whether the last rule is an SFC rule, an FA rule or the law. Perhaps someone could clear that up.

[St_Tel49]

hardly a like for like comparison is it?

Its not far off.

[Baj]

Oh dear - someone else a bit slow today. Let me spell it out for those a wee bit 'dim'.

 

Yes, because the landlords would LIE in order to protect the smoke dam. Dont be so ****ing dim yourself. I'm sure the landlords themselves are even more aware than you of what is affecting there business.

[Legod Third Coming]

Matty, I think that, as the law stands, the club would be acting illegally by providing a smoking area within the ground although I am happy to be corrected. This means that they could only provide areas outside the ground - but if you leave the ground you cannot be readmitted - catch 22 and all that. I don't know whether the last rule is an SFC rule, an FA rule or the law. Perhaps someone could clear that up.

 

It's not the FA or law as Derby let us out to buy a pie!!

[Kaiser Soze]

I'm a smoker and get away with at at least three fags from 3-5pm on matchday. A couple of sly ones during the game away from the ready-eye and one in the bogs or in the concourse at halftime. I've never been caught, just use your nous and you will be ok.

 

The club must be aware of the crafty smokers as there is always a waft in the concourse and a cloud of smoke during the game, never mind the countless fag butts littered everywhere. They could quite easily allow smokers out for a puff at halftime, then let back in upon proof of entry (i.e a season ticket or ticket stub), it wouldn't cost them a penny to implement, just some common sense...

[Window Cleaner]

why can't the members have a vote?

 

 

 

They can, in the general election.Stop voting for the mainly jock real life rejection party and start voting for the monster raving loony party.

[rocknrollman no2]

Just a thought, that maybe other clubs can afford to police this idea with extra stewards?

When i was at Derby,there were only two stewards on duty for the whole of the away end.

I normally see at least three times that number barging into the loos at halftime looking for smokers.

[rpb]

They can, in the general election.Stop voting for the mainly jock real life rejection party and start voting for the monster raving loony party.

 

Amongst the Monster Raving Looney Party's policies have been Knighthoods for the Beatles, passports for pets, all day licencing hours and votes for eighteen year olds - perhaps they were just ahead of their time...

[Window Cleaner]

Amongst the Monster Raving Looney Party's policies have been Knighthoods for the Beatles, passports for pets, all day licencing hours and votes for eighteen year olds - perhaps they were just ahead of their time...

 

Screaming Lord Such would have done as good a job as Gorrrrrdon Brrrrown.

[Legod Third Coming]

Screaming Lord Such would have done as good a job as Gorrrrrdon Brrrrown.

 

Sadly he is dead - mind you, that may not have made any difference to your statement...

[rocknrollman no2]

Screaming Lord Such would have done as good a job as Gorrrrrdon Brrrrown.

 

I knew Screaming Lord Such to say hello to and a nice chap he was to.

For those of you who didnt know,SLS was a rock n roll singer in the late fifties and his claim to fame was singing his song "Jack the Ripper",while chasing female members of the audience with a severed pigs head.

Shame he wasnt here to attend the recent AGM.

[Window Cleaner]

Sadly he is dead - mind you, that may not have made any difference to your statement...

 

A hypothetical "would have" mark you.

 

Any bloke who could change his name to Lord Such 3rd count of Hampstead

had to be a star right??

[yamms_schmitz]

Good. I'm glad they chucked you out. I have been reporting smokers to the gestapo all season. I'm pleased that i haven't been wasting my time.

 

Perhaps you will think differently next time you want a fag.

[rocknrollman no2]

Good. I'm glad they chucked you out. I have been reporting smokers to the gestapo all season. I'm pleased that i haven't been wasting my time.

 

Perhaps you will think differently next time you want a fag.

 

Bet you are a right laugh at parties?

[saint_ed]

Here's an idea....get some self discipline.

[Fowllyd]

Amongst the Monster Raving Looney Party's policies have been Knighthoods for the Beatles, passports for pets, all day licencing hours and votes for eighteen year olds - perhaps they were just ahead of their time...

 

Well, I was eligible to vote (as an eighteen-year-old) in 1978. The voting age had been eighteen for many years by then. I don't remember the Monster Raving Loony Party coming into being until the early eighties. So on that they were maybe a little behind!

 

Oh, and it's Lord Sutch by the way - formerly David Sutch of the band Screaming Lord Sutch and the Heavy Friends. No, I'm not making any of this up.

[saintwarwick]

except its not 90 mins, is it.

i would like to get in the ground about 20 past, half past 2, have a beer, have a bet, have a chat etc etc

the game finishes at 10 to 5

that will be 2 1/2 hours then

if i was lowe, i would want the punters inside the ground as soon as possible, drinking sfc beer, scoffing sfc pies.

there has been no effort whatsoever by the club to make it easier to spend money inside the ground, ie prepay schemes for your beer, anything to make the queues move quicker

everyone says lowe is a business man, a very poor one in my mind

 

He must be a good one as he is keeping you inside the concourse in a queue waiting for a beer or two, if you were outside with your mates smoking you wouldn't be spending money. As for the smoking ban it was law set by the government, your act of taking a quickie could of cost the club £1,000 which is a lot more than your entrance to the game plus a couple of pints. You've already admitted the club needs all the money it can generate yet you were happy to gamble with that grand. If you cannot wait 2-3 hours for a fag then you need help and this from a former smoker who has flown many a transatlintic flight and spent years working in an environment (with ammunition) which restricted me to three fags during a working day.

[saintwarwick]

explain the stewards in the bog then?

 

I have never seen one single steward in the bogs in all the years I have attended SMS, maybe they know you as a smoker and are keeping an eye on you, you afterall have admitted to getting kicked out in your first post due to getting caught in the act.

[saintwarwick]

When i was at Derby,there were only two stewards on duty for the whole of the away end.

I normally see at least three times that number barging into the loos at halftime looking for smokers.

 

Don't see a problem with that as some smokers are hell bent on breaking the law.

[rpb]

Well, I was eligible to vote (as an eighteen-year-old) in 1978. The voting age had been eighteen for many years by then. I don't remember the Monster Raving Loony Party coming into being until the early eighties. So on that they were maybe a little behind!

 

Well spotted! It was actually the National Teenage Party which had that policy (it later evolved into the Monster Raving Looney Party) - I didn't think anyone would check up on me!

[Matty's Caddy]

there are some very sad people on this forum

couldn't give a flying **** about anybody else unless it directly affects them

well let me just give you one last reminder, i am sure i'm not the only person boycotting the games for this reason

my boycott is directly affecting the standard of football you are watching.

instead of giving it the "unlucky sucker" approach, perhaps you ought to be looking at the bigger picture and maybe asking questions of the club as to why they go out of their way to **** sections of their support off.

if you dont subscribe to that view, make sure you're not moaning about the low attendance or the lack of transfer activity.

i personally think, especially in the current climate, that the club is not doing enough to keep its punters happy

happy new year to you all, even TDD lol

Edited 1 January, 2009 by Matty's Caddy

[Wes Tender]

nice!

you miss the point entirely (hardly surprising for a neanderthal)

this has now cost the club my entrance fee at a time when every penny counts

every pub and club has managed to implement something because they've had to to survive.

if lowe could charge for the use of said designated smoking area, i'm sure he would implement something

i wonder if you'll whinge when all we do is sell our best players in the jan transfer market and the crowds dip below 10k as we slide into oblivion

cant wait till the cricket season!

 

You're the Neanderthal. The law of the land is plain enough even for idiots to understand. You must really be badly addicted if you can't manage to go without for a couple of hours.

 

Blaming the fall in attendances on the smoking ban is a new one that I hadn't thought of before. No doubt he can use that as an excuse when he has his next interview with the Bank.

[trousers]

there are some very sad people on this forum

 

You said it....

[trousers]

Maybe we could stamp peoples hands on the way out with a symbol of a blackened lung.

 

Or simply check out people's lungs via one on those x-ray machine gizmos....

 

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It's the law of the land and the club have no choice but to enforce it , but why the stewards decided to evict a fan rather than simply ask him to put the cigarette out is an entirely different question . A sign of the (intolerant) times I suppose .

[saint boggy]

It's the law of the land and the club have no choice but to enforce it , but why the stewards decided to evict a fan rather than simply ask him to put the cigarette out is an entirely different question . A sign of the (intolerant) times I suppose .

fans have had a year and a half to get used to this ban.....we KNOW we're not allowed to smoke inside the ground, so why should they warn him???.....get the idiot out if he'd rather have a puff on a cancer stick than watch his football team.......

[hamster]

Although I personally would have think a warning would have sufficed, they have now set a precedent for anyone else 'caught' smoking. There is no way in this world that the club would have been fined, just as we haven't been fined for fans standing during games.

[rpb]

.....get the idiot out if he'd rather have a puff on a cancer stick than watch his football team.......

 

Very emotive stuff but, as I believe it happened at half time, your last statement is meaningless.

[Deeps]

It's also the law to say that there is no standing in the bowl but no one appears to take notice of that in the Northam. Perhaps they should evict them.!! (Standby incoming)

[Weston Super Saint]

Although I personally would have think a warning would have sufficed, they have now set a precedent for anyone else 'caught' smoking. There is no way in this world that the club would have been fined, just as we haven't been fined for fans standing during games.

 

Maybe they set the precedent in July 2007 when the ban came into effect, and ever since have been consistent with their approach :smt102

[hamster]

Maybe they set the precedent in July 2007 when the ban came into effect, and ever since have been consistent with their approach :smt102

 

But they have been consistent in not doing much at all haven't they?

I recall a message in a programme about a text service whereby one could grass on smokers in the bogs. I must add that I read this over someone's shoulder, as I stopped buying programmes as a protest after my name was omitted from the Birthdays list.

 

Out of interest WSS, (seriously) how would you deal with someone smoking in your pub, in the toilets for example? Do you turn a blind eye, or send them on their way?

 

Oh yeah, Happy new Year to everyone (except --- ----).

[Weston Super Saint]

But they have been consistent in not doing much at all haven't they?

I recall a message in a programme about a text service whereby one could grass on smokers in the bogs. I must add that I read this over someone's shoulder, as I stopped buying programmes as a protest after my name was omitted from the Birthdays list.

 

Out of interest WSS, (seriously) how would you deal with someone smoking in your pub, in the toilets for example? Do you turn a blind eye, or send them on their way?

 

Oh yeah, Happy new Year to everyone (except --- ----).

 

The people I have found smoking in the toilets have been ejected and barred. Pretty harsh perhaps but at the end of the day they are putting my livelihood at risk by jeopardising my license. A bit different I suppose as we provide a covered, heated out door area for smokers about 50 yards from the toilets!!!

[hamster]

The people I have found smoking in the toilets have been ejected and barred.

 

Good for you WSS.

 

What about someone who you caught standing up for a pee in the 'seated' area, possibly making the seat wet for the next law biding customer?

[Matty's Caddy]

we provide a covered, heated out door area for smokers about 50 yards from the toilets!!!

 

why do you go to the expense of providing this facility for your customers?

[Weston Super Saint]

why do you go to the expense of providing this facility for your customers?

 

Because the law says they aren't allowed to smoke inside

[Weston Super Saint]

Good for you WSS.

 

What about someone who you caught standing up for a pee in the 'seated' area, possibly making the seat wet for the next law biding customer?

 

Removed their little fingers.

[Matty's Caddy]

they are putting my livelihood at risk by jeopardising my license.

do you honestly believe you could lose your license in this way?

[Matty's Caddy]

Because the law says they aren't allowed to smoke inside

we know that, but why provide a facility for smokers that cost you money to run, just for us filthy, smokey, lepers.

[Weston Super Saint]

do you honestly believe you could lose your license in this way?

 

Yes.

 

Unless you can prove otherwise, it is against the law to smoke in a public area!!

 

Therefore if I ignore the law and allow people to smoke in the pub - and by not doing anything about it, I will be regarded as sanctioning their actions - then I can lose my license!

 

In the same way as allowing under age drinkers in the pub can lose me my license!

 

Unfortunately I am not in a position to pick and choose which laws I will and will not abide by

[Weston Super Saint]

we know that' date=' but why provide a facility for smokers that cost you money to run, just for us filthy, smokey, lepers.[/quote']

 

Judging by the mess you filthy, smokey lepers leave, sometimes I ask myself the exact same question!

[solentstars]

bloody hell is this thread about weak willed smokers still going.

its sad that a fag dominates their life this badly.

[Matty's Caddy]

Judging by the mess you filthy, smokey lepers leave, sometimes I ask myself the exact same question!

 

still not answered the question then.... 3rd time lucky

[Matty's Caddy]

bloody hell is this thread about weak willed smokers still going.

its sad that a fag dominates their life this badly.

 

nothing like a constructive addition to a thread

you're not the first and wont be the last poster to miss the point of this thread entirely

please refer to post 176

Edited 1 January, 2009 by Matty's Caddy

[Weston Super Saint]

still not answered the question then.... 3rd time lucky

 

I didn't realise you were being serious!!

 

Isn't the answer pretty obvious?

 

It is/was a business decision to provide an external smoking area so that smokers will still visit the pub and spend money. It didn't work!! The drinkers / smokers have abandoned the pub in their droves, preferring to buy cheap beer from the supermarket and smoke at home. Suits me fine to be honest since we turned the business round to be more of a restaurant than a pub - happy to say the risk I took to do this has been vindicated

 

We also provide a play area for kids - so parents will bring their little darlings and spend their hard earned cash. We also provide disabled toilets and nappy changing facilities. We also provide a cash machine and fruit machines, all decisions taken to get your hard earned cash off you!!

 

However I don't agree with your inevitable next comment about SFC not providing external facilities for smokers, because frankly the monetary outlay that would be needed would not - in their case - see any substantial return, so it's of little wonder that they haven't done it.

[dubai_phil]

I think providing outdoor heating for smokers is a disgrace.

 

Just think of all those patio heaters around the UK burning up fossil fuels and adding to the demise of the global climate and of course diminishing the reservoirs of fuel for all our poor children and grandchildren.

 

Just let us have a CHOICE between a smoking pub or a non-smoking pub and save the world!

 

winky irony thingy