shurlock Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 It absolutely isn't. It's a sensible point, relevant to the topic at hand. Prowse clearly has an abundance of potential but needs to find his role. There are plenty of great professional who weren't where he is in his career at the same age which should give hope for coming seasons. Of course, it absolutely is. So what if Beckham hadn't yet played for a title-winning, once-in-generation-good United side? What does that have to do with JWP? The more important point is that when these players finally got their chance, they showed glimpses, even spells of brilliance -certainly more than JWP has managed in 70+ games. Just look what Beckham did in the 1995-96 season which earned him an England cap. Sometimes its easier to judge a player -and predict their future ceiling- when they've accumulated a decent body of work and a long track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Glad to see we have our scapegoat sorted before the Premiership kicks off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Glad to see we have our scapegoat sorted before the Premiership kicks off! Not really pal. Unless you mean your hard-on for Yoshida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 The new Jim Magilton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Some of the comments on this remind me of the Morgan threads we used to get back in League 1. JWP will never reach the same level as Schneiderlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 JWP will never reach the same level as Schneiderlin. People said that about Morgan and Paul Wotton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 People said that about Morgan and Paul Wotton. They may well of done, but I certainly didn't. Morgan was a far better player at JWP's age and IMO, Harrison Reed is the better prospect - he has far more chance of making a move to a big team in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 I thought JWP looked alright today. Never get the fuss. He probably won't ever get to Beckham's level, but he's a handy part of our squad tight now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Was very average again today I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Morgan was a far better player at JWP's age. At 20 years old Schneiderlin hadn't played in a single Premier League game, Ward-Prowse has played in 74. Don't take that as me saying Ward-Prowse will be better, but he is vastly more experienced at a high level compared with Schneiderlin at the same point in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 At 20 years old Schneiderlin hadn't played in a single Premier League game, Ward-Prowse has played in 74. Don't take that as me saying Ward-Prowse will be better, but he is vastly more experienced at a high level compared with Schneiderlin at the same point in his career. Given that Morgan was with us in League One and Championship until he was 23 how can you expect him to have played in the PL? Sorry but any comparisons between JWP and Morgan are so ridiculous as to be laughable. JWP will never play in the same role as Morgan. He is just not that sort of player and has none of the attributes to be successful in the role. I'm sure he may be good at some other role in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Francis Jeffers had scored 20-odd goals for Everton before he was twenty. Do I win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 Adi Akinbyi played in the PL when he was 17. Even played against Munich and Inter that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 JWP will never reach the same level as Schneiderlin. I think JWP is a much better player for comparative age to where Morgan was. He doesn't get the experience of coming up through the leagues and forming a pivotal part of a team. Warde Prowse is struggling from having to make do with a squad role at a much higher level. He would actually flourish if given the opportunity to have a season as a main player in a championship team tbh. People act like he wouldn't be a star man in the second tier at the age of 20. He still has great potential and plenty of time ahead. Sadly our fans are total muppets at times and want everything to come now rather than having the patience to grow it organically. Unsurprisingly it is the same tired old posters that are the most vocal in slagging off our players. Just like morgan would never make it, bertrand was an underwhelming signing, Jayrod couldn't hack it, Mane was ****e etc etc etc etc.... Lest we mention the captain who people said was never cut out for this level and worse than big old Jos. The amount of drivel that gets posted on here in the name of slagging off players is amazing... I mean its one thing to be critical of a players current game... but these people are writing off one of englands most promising young central midfielders as not having one more season to make it at premier league level for saints.... at the age of 21 :mcinnes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 2 August, 2015 Share Posted 2 August, 2015 All those players you list proved the few doubters wrong quite quickly. JWP hasn't proved anyone wrong yet so probably best to save the name calling until he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Kane was average in my eyes, till he started scoring in the Europa League and went on that awesome run of goals last season. Now he's apparently worth 50m. Wouldn't write JWP off just yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Kane was average in my eyes, till he started scoring in the Europa League and went on that awesome run of goals last season. Now he's apparently worth 50m. Wouldn't write JWP off just yet.... Kane is still an average player.....lets see how he does this season. JWP on the other hand has what it takes to be way better than average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 (edited) A guy who has scored 30 goals in 50 games last season is average? What does that make someone who has scored 1 in 74? Think I have heard it all now.... Edited 3 August, 2015 by St Marco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 I'm pretty sure that the player gets better or worse (depending upon viewpoint) as the ferocity of the arguement on here increases. What I know is this. JWP has talent JWP has not realised his full potential JWP is only 20 JWP is not Morgan JWP might be better than Morgan JWP might not be. i think that covers it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Kane, average?!? He was pure pure dynamite last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 The new Jim Magilton. Not as good as him IMO. Jim scored 7 goals one year, had much better end product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 It may be that he is following his manager's instructions to the letter and that is why he gets picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Kane is still an average player.....lets see how he does this season. JWP on the other hand has what it takes to be way better than average. Look we all hate ****ing Spurs I know, but I think it's a bit much to say Kane is merely average. Sure he'll have to do it again this year, but there's nothing to suggest he can't/won't. Hope he doesn't though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Bloody hopeless sideways and backwards today dictating the appalling lack of tempo. Agreed. I questioned his place in the squad/team in the Espanyol thread. Thinking of renaming him James (back)Ward Prowse! Edit: I'm certainly not writing him off though. He is only 20 (I thought he was 21 already) so time is on his side. Squad player at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Kane was average in my eyes, till he started scoring in the Europa League and went on that awesome run of goals last season. Now he's apparently worth 50m. Wouldn't write JWP off just yet.... Werent we being linked with him last season before he started scoring goals? I seem to remember us not being impressed at the time. He clearly had a purple patch but will need to do it again this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Werent we being linked with him last season before he started scoring goals? I seem to remember us not being impressed at the time. He clearly had a purple patch but will need to do it again this season. They wanted to sweeten Morgan/ Jrod deal with him IIRC at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Werent we being linked with him last season before he started scoring goals? I seem to remember us not being impressed at the time. He clearly had a purple patch but will need to do it again this season. Imagine the disgust on here if we had a striker who had a season like Kane and other fans dismissed him as average and just having a purple patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 They wanted to sweeten Morgan/ Jrod deal with him IIRC at the start of the season. We were never offered Kane. We tried to bid for him and it was immediately knocked back (going from reports) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Good god I hope James isn't reading this, and if you are take no notice and remember those writing an opinion here are the ones who have at best modest talent at football and even less tactical nous. I include myself firmly at the top of that list. We have on our hands a young man who loves the club, has more than two brain cells, is a regular for England U21s, and is the only player in the club who can deliver a decent set piece ball. He is already a decent premiership player and a tremendous prospect. I for one am grateful that we have managed to keep this lad on our books and I am confident he will be a big part of our future. My test of a player is whether he is a game changing option as a sub and not simply a like for like replacement. JWP makes things happen and is a conduit for other players. If the club were to even hint that he was available for sale he would be gleefully snapped up by one of our competitors. Ross Barclay and Harry Kane seem to get the same treatment from the media and their fans. One minute brilliant the next a waste of space. Other countries cherish their young players and look after them. In this country we ruin them so it is no wonder that Brit teams are regularly beaten by other European teams. Nobody is above criticism and he clearly needs to work on aspects of his game. He doesn't have the pace of other players but he'd leave most of us standing! I was complaining about his back passing yesterday but on reflection he is one of those players who will not give the ball away willingly. Espanyol were a useful (and dirty) outfit and closed down forward options very quickly. If he is going to be A grade footballer then he needs to develop the ability to overcome the stifling tactics of modern football. However I suspect our coaches are working on that. Lets celebrate what we have and let the boy develop into the footballer we all want to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Good at corners, average at everything else. Not an athletic type either. £5 says he won't ever cut it at the top level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Good at corners, average at everything else. Not an athletic type either. £5 says he won't ever cut it at the top level Define "cut it", "top level". Oh, and ever is something between 10 and 15 years for a 20 yo established Premier League player and England U 21 international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzo Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 I thought that he looked pretty good in the second half yesterday, to be honest. Got involved, try to move play forward when he had an option, kept possession when that wasn't on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Kane is still an average player.....lets see how he does this season. JWP on the other hand has what it takes to be way better than average. That's a laughable opinion tbh. He's definately not average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Good at corners, average at everything else. Not an athletic type either. £5 says he won't ever cut it at the top level A whole £5! Wow you must be so confident of your prediction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 I can't see him kicking on , but happy to be proved wrong . I just don't think he does anything particularly well , he's a " nearly" player IMO. He seems quite tactically aware , so there's a chance he'll improve . If he bulks up and starts winning tackles he could have a chance, look at Henderson , but he's too airy fairy at the moment. Tadic & lallana get away with it because of their exceptional technique and ability , he's not at that level yet , so without tackling or speed he'll struggle to impose himself . I'm not convinced by him in the number 10 role ,or as a creative midfielder . With his tactical nous and his apparent long range passing ability , he maybe able to convert himself into a DM but needs to strengthen up . Morgan didn't seem to tackle too much at a young age , but he managed it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 I can't see him kicking on ...he's a " nearly" player IMO. He seems quite tactically aware , so there's a chance he'll improve ....Tadic & lallana get away with it because of their exceptional technique and ability , he's not at that level yet , so without tackling or speed he'll struggle to impose himself . Fair point but Tadic is half the player Lallana is. I really don't see him imposing himself on games. He and JWP are essentially competing for the same place (not position) and for me JWP brings more to the team. However neither replace Lallana who we miss. You can tell by the number of players who have tried the No 10 position. Shame Gaston didn't make it his own as we needed a 12 million player there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 According to the media, the FA talks of Ward-Prowse as a future England captain. Various respected football figures rate him, eg Steve Bruce compared him to Beckham, and Hodgson has said he sees him playing for England one day. Maybe some of the moaners on here need to reconsider how good their judgment is? Just because he doesn't run like a headless chicken or tackle like Roy Keane, does not mean he isn't a top player in the making. He is our best passer of the ball already, and may develop into a really top player, or , yes maybe he won't , but at the age of 20, he looks pretty promising to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Ken, he is not our best passer of the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Ken, he is not our best passer of the ball Err who is then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 Fair point but Tadic is half the player Lallana is. I really don't see him imposing himself on games. He and JWP are essentially competing for the same place (not position) and for me JWP brings more to the team. JWP over Tadic? Interesting. Not sure what JWP brings more of but its not goals or assists. Or final third threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 (edited) JWP over Tadic? Interesting. Not sure what JWP brings more of but its not goals or assists. Or final third threat. If you look at minutes per assist and Ward-Prowse was ahead of Tadic last season. Saints assists 2014/15 1st Tadic - 7 assists in 2,064 minutes 2nd Ward-Prowse - 6 assists in 1,478 minutes Edited 3 August, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 According to the media, the FA talks of Ward-Prowse as a future England captain. Various respected football figures rate him, eg Steve Bruce compared him to Beckham, and Hodgson has said he sees him playing for England one day. Maybe some of the moaners on here need to reconsider how good their judgment is? Just because he doesn't run like a headless chicken or tackle like Roy Keane, does not mean he isn't a top player in the making. He is our best passer of the ball already, and may develop into a really top player, or , yes maybe he won't , but at the age of 20, he looks pretty promising to me. Hence why England will never win anything. He offers nothing going forward even with this so called set piece genius. Cue the stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 August, 2015 Share Posted 3 August, 2015 (edited) He offers nothing going forward even with this so called set piece genius. You know he was our second highest assist maker in the Premier League last season? That despite being injured from September to December. Cue the stats You can prove anything with facts. [video=youtube;4n-UGQcG3Jw] Edited 3 August, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Alan Pardew on SSN just now saying that for Connor Wickham to have 80 Premier League appearances by the age of 22 is incredible and now it is about developing a few "tricks" to establish himself and push on. Same applies to JWP I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Alan Pardew on SSN just now saying that for Connor Wickham to have 80 Premier League appearances ever is incredible and now it is about him developing some ability to establish himself and push on to become a very average player. Slight edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 You know he was our second highest assist maker in the Premier League last season? That despite being injured from September to December. You can prove anything with facts. [video=youtube;4n-UGQcG3Jw] Can you do the David Beckham comparison again? I think people may have forgotten that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 (edited) You know he was our second highest assist maker in the Premier League last season? Which equates to a slightly disappointing 31st in the league, equal with shlong, and just ahead of marko arnautovic. Edited 5 August, 2015 by Plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 Clearly he has the technique to succeed at the top level. He also had a little run of games around Christmas time last season where he was as creative as we've seen him, which to me, showed what he could do for us. The main issue at the moment is that, on a consistent basis, he doesn't impact on games enough, only in flashes. This is where he needs to really focus on, and i believe he can then nail down a spot in the team, probably ahead of Davis if you expect him to play a little in advance of Clasie and Vic. Would also say that if he had taken maybe half of his clear cut chances last season, and ended up with say 5 goals, we might not be having this conversation. It's small margins, but as well as being more of a creator, it goes without saying that he needs to start taking his chances in front of goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 5 August, 2015 Share Posted 5 August, 2015 He's shown a marked improvement this season. He got a free kick on target on Sunday. Pity it won't be included in the Forum Savant's idiotic stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'00' Posted 7 August, 2015 Share Posted 7 August, 2015 'He looks like a Liverpool player.....Rodgers would be good for JWP ..he would teach him tactical discipline! Dean Austin quoted in 'The Nowhere Men' by Michael Calvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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