krissyboy31 Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 In the spirit of treating away fans in a reciprocal manner, can we seat Newcastle fans on top of the big gas containers overlooking st marys next season? Albion Towers more like!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 In the spirit of treating away fans in a reciprocal manner, can we seat Newcastle fans on top of the big gas containers overlooking st marys next season? Or somewhere in St Deny's? Ironic given that Saints and Newcastle have both reduced prices for travelling fans to the others' grounds this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 Simple answer to the whole thing if you do feel it unfair and/or underhand - don't buy a ticket. Take it or leave it. There is no compulsion. Really, it's very very simple. Thing is, it's not that simple - and I can (usually) understand why someone would feel the need to complain to the FSF if there was something unfair happening. But basically there isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 Pretty much the only things to be learned from this whole thread are 1) That Saints will never please some people and 2) If they're going to charge more for people to see a club who charges away fans loads, try not to do it in the last game of the season, so some people (well, one person) don't think you're doing it for some other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 30 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 30 March, 2015 The charging of away fans at Villa Park is totally irrelevant as thats due to the location of away fans in a main stand and why would you then penalize home fans at SMS ? As i stated two seasons ago Stoke city was a CAT C game on the last home game. It is morally incorrect that SFC have made this game CAT A as Villa are clearly NOT in the same breath as Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Chelsea. The club are exploiting fans on a massive scale and people should boycott Villa at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 i dunno that any aspect of premier league ticket pricing would withstand moral scrutiny, pluto. I would look elsewhere for morality, if i was you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 The charging of away fans at Villa Park is totally irrelevant as thats due to the location of away fans in a main stand and why would you then penalize home fans at SMS ? As i stated two seasons ago Stoke city was a CAT C game on the last home game. It is morally incorrect that SFC have made this game CAT A as Villa are clearly NOT in the same breath as Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Chelsea. The club are exploiting fans on a massive scale and people should boycott Villa at home. Really no, no, no. This could well be the most important final home game of the season since Sheffield United with European qualification at stake. It is also a chance to celebrate and appreciate the best side we have had here since the runners-up season in the 80s. Please don't deny yourself the opportunity to be there. You might even enjoy the game. The price is as fair as any modern football price. It really is not a rip-off. Of course, people have the right to have a different view but in this case it appears to be just you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 The charging of away fans at Villa Park is totally irrelevant as thats due to the location of away fans in a main stand and why would you then penalize home fans at SMS ? As i stated two seasons ago Stoke city was a CAT C game on the last home game. It is morally incorrect that SFC have made this game CAT A as Villa are clearly NOT in the same breath as Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Chelsea. The club are exploiting fans on a massive scale and people should boycott Villa at home. Mate, the difference between A & B is £3 and B & C is £5. If it's such a big deal for you, I'll stump up half the difference for you. Or maybe if you budgeted in not drinking 2½ pints between now and 9 weeks time, then you'll be able to budget for the £8 extra yourself. Or if you don't want to cut down by half a pint a fortnight, then I am sure that you can find the difference between A and C elsewhere. i dunno that any aspect of premier league ticket pricing would withstand moral scrutiny, pluto. I would look elsewhere for morality, if i was you +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 30 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 30 March, 2015 Just to make things clear as some dont get it. Villa last season = CAT C the cheapest tickets Villa this season = CAT A the most expensive tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 Just to make things clear as some dont get it. Villa last season = CAT C the cheapest tickets Villa this season = CAT A the most expensive tickets So, they'll probably be a Cup finalist, big draw apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 Just to make things clear as some dont get it. Villa last season = CAT C the cheapest tickets Villa this season = CAT A the most expensive tickets We all get it apart from you, it seems. The horse that you continue to flog is demised, it is pushin up the daisies. It is no more, it is an ex horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 And he seems to forget that last seasons game was in midweek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 And he seems to forget that last seasons game was in midweek. Maybe the 72% possession that we had, and their 3 shots on goal have made them re-evaluate the category. We were so dominant that it was men against boys. Just best to overlook their conversion rate for their shots on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 30 March, 2015 Share Posted 30 March, 2015 Maybe the 72% possession that we had, and their 3 shots on goal have made them re-evaluate the category. We were so dominant that it was men against boys. Just best to overlook their conversion rate for their shots on target. Or its gone up due to Fabian Delph's 30 yarder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 31 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Laughable really that weak fans simply rollover and accept whatever is thrown at them. Can any of them explain why this has NEVER happened before at SFC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 The charging of away fans at Villa Park is totally irrelevant as thats due to the location of away fans in a main stand and why would you then penalize home fans at SMS ? As i stated two seasons ago Stoke city was a CAT C game on the last home game. It is morally incorrect that SFC have made this game CAT A as Villa are clearly NOT in the same breath as Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Chelsea. The club are exploiting fans on a massive scale and people should boycott Villa at home. They're not though. So what that Stoke was Cat C last season - it's Cat C this season as well. They're charging Cat A prices for one more match, and Cat C prices for one more match. Overall difference, not much. The fact it happens to be the last game is incidental, and, as I've said repeatedly, due to how much Villa charge Saints fans there. Because Newcastle and Saints came to an agreement, both sides have reduced costs to away fans. Did you go and widely broadcast this as a coup for fans and write a letter to the FSF? Did you hell. Calls for a boycott are frankly laughable and massively deluded. Literally no-one else even has a problem with it that I've noticed on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Laughable really that weak fans simply rollover and accept whatever is thrown at them. Can any of them explain why this has NEVER happened before at SFC ? No, because no-one has all of the previous season's category A/B/C breakdowns for every previous season to compare with. If they did I'm sure you'd find that we've had Cat A matches last game of the season before, like, say, 2004/5 when we played Man U and got relegated. I have no idea why this is bothering you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 We all get it apart from you, it seems. The horse that you continue to flog is demised, it is pushin up the daisies. It is no more, it is an ex horse. It has ceased to be. Gone to meet its maker... etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 The charging of away fans at Villa Park is totally irrelevant as thats due to the location of away fans in a main stand and why would you then penalize home fans at SMS ? It's not irrelevant if the club uses how much the visiting team's fans are used to paying for home matches (which is a relatively accurate criteria for how much of a draw a club thinks they are) as part of their criteria for setting categories. Under those criteria Villa are in the top 7 and QPR are up there too - but obviously the club wouldn't JUST use that criterion because Arsenal have a stadium to fill and often drop their prices and QPR are trying to squeeze every penny from every seat due to their limited capacity. That explains why Arsenal are still Cat A (and who's going to argue with that anyway?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 15 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 15 April, 2015 So announced today then its £42 for Aston Villa ! ha ha no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 So announced today then its £42 for Aston Villa ! ha ha no thanks Erm, no, that was announced in August. Possibly July. Thanks for coming on here to tell us you won't be coming though, we won't have to look out for the whinging hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 So announced today then its £42 for Aston Villa ! ha ha no thanks The prices were announced last summer, not today. The category system is to reflect demand for tickets, not solely the quality of the opposition. Last home game of the season whoever it was against would be a sellout, so with the demand high the price was also going to be high. That is how markets work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 I think this is the same divot who had the same argument over on the UI, with the same outcome. The reasoning behind it all is very clear, and it was announced at the start of the season. There seems to be only one plonker who hasn't quite grasped it yet. And he's not even going to the game, so a non-issue in the first place just became even more irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Erm, no, that was announced in August. Possibly July. Thanks for coming on here to tell us you won't be coming though, we won't have to look out for the whinging hypocrite. No fear. he'd been telling everyone on twitter an UI the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 It actually annoys me that this STARTED with a letter to the FSF, who you would hope have better things to do than read letters from outliers. Then again, that might be all they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 The prices were announced last summer, not today. The category system is to reflect demand for tickets, not solely the quality of the opposition. Last home game of the season whoever it was against would be a sellout, so with the demand high the price was also going to be high. That is how markets work. I'm not even prepared to accept that this is a last game of the season pricing issue unless I see them do the same thing next season. Until then it's just about Villa's prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 I swear Stoke last season was a category C game where as the season before (first back, last game of the season) it was a category B game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 I swear Stoke last season was a category C game where as the season before (first back, last game of the season) it was a category B game? Stoke on last game of the season was Cat C, I believe. Already been through all this, it has never been the case that the last game of the season has been a Cat A game for being the last game of the season before... assuming that's why it is this time (which I remain unconvinced of until next season's fixtures, and possibly beyond that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 I'm not even prepared to accept that this is a last game of the season pricing issue unless I see them do the same thing next season. Until then it's just about Villa's prices. Not sure why you are quite so confident on this? Bit of a chicken and egg for me. Saints have to nominate before the season starts, 7(?) games to be Cat A, obviously they go for the games with the biggest demand: 'top 4'-plus, Xmas games (if it's not already against big 4 teams, which both were this season), plus last game of the season would seem to make sense? When are away prices set? Before the season? A little way into the season? Some weeks before the fixture? Not sure how you can be so certain that the selection of Villa on the last day of the season (which we picked before the season started) reflects the high price they charged our away fans? Why would Saints base their Premium pricing home fixtures on the price that away teams charge us ... it only affects 2000-3000 fans either way (why discriminate against 28,000 home fans based on the price of the away tickets?). If Ipswich come up, and charge us £42 for away tickets, does that make them one of the 7 home Cat A games next season? I absolutely agree with Villa last game of the season being Cat A, I fully understand why they were Cat C last year, Saints fans got a bargain when Stoke were Cat C last game last season! I think most of us understand why Villa are Cat A this season, and it's nothing to do with the price of their away tickets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Obviously all clubs determine their match by match charges before they release ST details in order to balance the cost per game against the ST amounts, and the negotiations will go on for a while behind the scenes to set who is in which category. Some decisions will be easier than others. Apart from that, I heard the specific rumour about the reason for the cost of the Villa tickets long before it was mentioned in this thread. We shall see anyway. Not that I have a problem with the Cat A thing even if that is what they do. Nor would I have if I wasn't an ST holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 15 April, 2015 Share Posted 15 April, 2015 Not sure why you are quite so confident on this? Bit of a chicken and egg for me. Saints have to nominate before the season starts, 7(?) games to be Cat A, obviously they go for the games with the biggest demand: 'top 4'-plus, Xmas games (if it's not already against big 4 teams, which both were this season), plus last game of the season would seem to make sense? When are away prices set? Before the season? A little way into the season? Some weeks before the fixture? Not sure how you can be so certain that the selection of Villa on the last day of the season (which we picked before the season started) reflects the high price they charged our away fans? Why would Saints base their Premium pricing home fixtures on the price that away teams charge us ... it only affects 2000-3000 fans either way (why discriminate against 28,000 home fans based on the price of the away tickets?). If Ipswich come up, and charge us £42 for away tickets, does that make them one of the 7 home Cat A games next season? I absolutely agree with Villa last game of the season being Cat A, I fully understand why they were Cat C last year, Saints fans got a bargain when Stoke were Cat C last game last season! I think most of us understand why Villa are Cat A this season, and it's nothing to do with the price of their away tickets! Could this be the explanation as compared to last year? They needed to find a couple of extra Cat A games and picked the last game of the season which they would not do if games against the biggest clubs plus holiday games filled up the needed 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 16 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 16 April, 2015 The answer to what SFC should have done was simply make this CAT C as before and accept the fact that there is only a set amount of CAT A games. Not shaft fans with 'cashing in' because its the last home game. Paying £42 to watch Villa is just laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 Paying £42 to watch Villa is just laughable. In all honesty paying 42 quid to watch a game of football at any level is absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 £20 should be the cost of a ticket, modern football rip off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 The answer to what SFC should have done was simply make this CAT C as before and accept the fact that there is only a set amount of CAT A games. Not shaft fans with 'cashing in' because its the last home game. Paying £42 to watch Villa is just laughable. It's never been guaranteed to be a Cat C before just as it's never been guaranteed to be a Cat A before. There are still the same number of matches evening out at the same cost, you have no argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 The answer to what SFC should have done was simply make this CAT C as before and accept the fact that there is only a set amount of CAT A games. Not shaft fans with 'cashing in' because its the last home game. Paying £42 to watch Villa is just laughable. In all honesty paying 42 quid to watch a game of football at any level is absolutely ridiculous. It is, however, completely irrelevant to a discussion in which the overall prices have been set for at least 10 months within the parameters of overall costs to fans that were decided months before that. They've already decided next season's STs, so they'll have already decided how much per game it is for Cat A, B, C next season too - most likely the same. It will be interesting to see if we stay with the 7A-4B-8C balance of this season, especially if Bournemouth come up - as that's the closest thing to a derby we're getting for at least another 2 and a half years (and God forbid it's that soon as it involves us getting relegated). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 The answer to what SFC should have done was simply make this CAT C as before and accept the fact that there is only a set amount of CAT A games. Not shaft fans with 'cashing in' because its the last home game. Paying £42 to watch Villa is just laughable. What has watching Villa got to do with it? If you are a Saints fan, then you are paying £42 to watch Saints. Is that laughable? (The answer is probably yes, because it is a ridiculous amount to pay to watch a football match, but that's modern football for you). If you want to watch Villa why don't you buy a ticket from Villa then you can sit with your friends and fellow supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 16 April, 2015 Share Posted 16 April, 2015 The answer to what SFC should have done was simply make this CAT C as before and accept the fact that there is only a set amount of CAT A games. Not shaft fans with 'cashing in' because its the last home game. Paying £42 to watch Villa is just laughable. I pay to watch Southampton not other teams, thats why I generally don't go to cat A games as they are so expensive. I will be trying to go to this one though. The simple fact is it will sell out and some people will miss out, football is a business and they have decided to raise price in line with demand for the last home game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 17 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 17 April, 2015 Villa are subsiding their tickets by £10, so they will only be paying £32 instead of Saints fans £42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 Christ, are we still going on about this? The price is the price. No amount of whinging is going to change that. Why don't you go here and get some tickets? http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/tickets/home_tickets/ . Only £20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 Just to make things clear as some dont get it. Villa last season = CAT C the cheapest tickets Villa this season = CAT A the most expensive tickets Just to make it clear as apparently you dont seem to get it, who really cares apart from you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 Supply and demand. It's cheeky, but common sense. The Villa game could determine if we are securing european football for the first time in our recent history and the last home game for our most succesful ever Premier league campaign.... If we were breaking our pricing structure there would be a reason to complain, but setting it as a Cat A game is more then fair and understandable. It is a critical fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the colonel Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 Just to make things clear as some dont get it. Villa last season = CAT C the cheapest tickets Villa this season = CAT A the most expensive tickets Just to make it clear as you don't seem to get it: IT IS THE LAST HOME GAME OF THE SEASON. So it is likely to be one of the most popular games of the season no matter who it is against, whether it has been CAT A on previous season is completely irrelevant. It is called supply and demand. Coming up with quotes about 'SFC ripping off fans', and 'being laughable', etc is just quite frankly pathetic. You can always buy a season ticket then problem is resolved. What are you going to do when we are one of the regular top 4 and every away game is a CAT A because everyone will be wanting to come and see us. ;-) Don't tell me you don't go to away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluto Posted 17 April, 2015 Author Share Posted 17 April, 2015 This change of ticket pricing due to it being the last match has NEVER happened before in the clubs history ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 Villa are subsiding their tickets by £10, so they will only be paying £32 instead of Saints fans £42 To add to your misery, Villa are giving free coach travel to their fans for this trip too. This should guarantee a full allocation of aways meaning less tickets available for home fans. Calls for a boycott are not (and never were) gonna happen. To be honest, you're beginning to sound like a sh*t-stirring skate (on here and as RogerDay on UI), apologies if not , if you are, f*ck off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 This change of ticket pricing due to it being the last match has NEVER happened before in the clubs history ! Innovation. Good to see the Club trying new things (though it isn't). Have you bought your ticket in the Villa end yet like other Villa supporters do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 With any luck he'll save £10 by getting a Villa ticket and then get escorted on to one of their coaches back to Villa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 Embarrassing you lot suggesting he supports Villa just because he's aggrieved, rightly or wrongly, about the clubs pricing strategy. Football is ridiculously overpriced as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 Villa are subsiding their tickets by £10, so they will only be paying £32 instead of Saints fans £42 Just like Saints did at Chelsea a couple of weeks ago then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 17 April, 2015 Share Posted 17 April, 2015 This change of ticket pricing due to it being the last match has NEVER happened before in the clubs history ! Why are you that upset about it, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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