sadoldgit Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 In a week when the news has been dominated by huge events such as the sacking of Jeremy Clarkson and the leaving of One Direction of Zayn Whatshisface, another shattering piece of news. Russell Brand has been voted 4th most influential thinker in the world by readers of current affairs magazine, Prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Despite disagreeing with a lot of it, his youtube videos are interesting so I see their point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Meh, he speaks a lot more sense than most of the people in Westminster (and only half the sh*t), fair play to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Is that the yardstick he should be measured with though? Most of us speak more sense than most MPs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 He is an incredible orator but when you actually look into his 'theories' they tend to be fancifull and lacking in any strong knowledge behind them. I was once told 'its not what you know but how confidentally you say it' No sentance sums up Brand perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I find it hard to take a man seriously who sits with his legs spread. Are we supposed to be listening to his pearls of wisdom or staring at his package? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edprice1984 Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Forsooth, it is because you have become a mouthpiece of the Establishment Bourgeoisie that you fail to understand the need of the modern proletariat for a raffish personality who is able to converse and engage in a prolonged diatribe about the perceived ills of this consumer driven world that we all inhabit....or some b*ll*cks like that! Unfortunately he has found that his voice resonates with a sizeable percentage of the population who don't want to engage their own brain, instead relying on a 'Celebrity' to do their thinking for them. Most of what he says is utter nonsense, but occasionally he comes out with some dangerous stuff! The Don't vote rubbish he was spouting when he was interviewed by Paxman is the reason you end up with UKIP/BNP et al in positions of power and influence. Although my favourite moment was when he was challenged on Question Time to stand for Parliament, and he said 'I don't want to become one of them' as if he knew he wouldn't be able to stand up for his own convictions. The great thing about these individuals is that they eventually drown in their own hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Pathetic. But this has not been accurately reported. Prospect Magazine asked their readers to select their "favourite" thinkers. The Daily Mail identifies Naomi Klein as a "US author", by the way; she is, of course, Canadian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 He's a decent orator & challenges accepted orthodoxy so more of his ilk and less of the bland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I guess Brand. like Clarkson is marmite. I don't like him because to me he comes across as a narcissistic 6th form student with a Capn Jack Sparrow fixation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Pathetic. But this has not been accurately reported. Prospect Magazine asked their readers to select their "favourite" thinkers. The Daily Mail identifies Naomi Klein as a "US author", by the way; she is, of course, Canadian! Thank you for the correction. The report I read did wrongly say "influential" gut I guess if they chose favourites that implies a kind of influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo71 Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I saw a film the other day called God Bless America. It's a satire on how shallow/rubbish popular culture has become. I also recently read a book called 'Amusing ourselves to death' by Neil Postman (written in 1985 and never out of print) It's about how the news creates news among other things. Very pertinent because since seeing that film and reading that book, the news in the last couple of days has switched from people dying in a plane crash to Jeremy Clarkson being fired and some guy leaving a manufactured 'reality-talent show' band. I'm now being told that Russell Brand is a top, influential 'thinker'......glad i'm slowly detaching myself from it and finding other things to do and learning to see through it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 The problem with Brand's incoherent nonsense is that whilst he's spouting it , he's denying a serious thinker airtime . The BBC are obsessed with turning him into some sort of working class hero anti establishment figure , when he's anything but . If I was a leftie I would be annoyed that they are promoting this fake at the expense of someone with serious credable thoughts . They do the same with that racist Abbott , and it's typical of the dumbing down of the political procees in this country . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 The problem with Brand's incoherent nonsense is that whilst he's spouting it , he's denying a serious thinker airtime . The BBC are obsessed with turning him into some sort of working class hero anti establishment figure , when he's anything but . If I was a leftie I would be annoyed that they are promoting this fake at the expense of someone with serious credable thoughts . They do the same with that racist Abbott , and it's typical of the dumbing down of the political procees in this country . What I like about you Lord D is you have absolutely no time whatsoever for people whose entire schtick is how anti-establishment they are when they are clearly, completely and unequivocally part of the establishment. You hate those people, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I think most people who hate Brand do so because they know he is right most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Verbose tŵat. Should have stuck with his funny clips show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 26 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I think most people who hate Brand do so because they know he is right most of the time. To be honest I don't listen to much of what he has to say so I wouldn't know if he is right or not. I get sidetracked by all the preening and posing for the cameras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Its a shame he got pipped to third by Gerry Halliwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 To be honest I don't listen to much of what he has to say so I wouldn't know if he is right or not. I get aroused by all the preening and posing for the cameras. Corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 What I like about you Lord D is you have absolutely no time whatsoever for people whose entire schtick is how anti-establishment they are when they are clearly, completely and unequivocally part of the establishment. You hate those people, don't you? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Brand is a massive c*ck. Nothing more to say than that really, that's my entire input to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Brand is a massive c*ck. Nothing more to say than that really, that's my entire input to this thread. True dat. He's the kind of bloke that would just say 'print more money' and expect it to fix everything. Grade 'A' *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I hate brand because he has suckled Katy Perry. That makes me sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I hate brand because he has suckled Katy Perry. That makes me sad At least you're honest about it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I think most people who hate Brand do so because they know he is right most of the time. This is a wind up isn't it? I don't think he's ever been right. He says what stupid people want to hear, and they lap it up thinking it's the way the world and economics work, and it just doesn't work that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I hate brand because he has suckled Katy Perry. That makes me sad Agree. Why would she let that lank haired, mouthy lothario anywhere near her lovely boobies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 This is a wind up isn't it? I don't think he's ever been right. He says what stupid people want to hear, and they lap it up thinking it's the way the world and economics work, and it just doesn't work that way. He's not addressing closed minded people like yourself he's addressing open minded youngsters who believe that the world can be changed & he's very good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 1 Kant 2 Plato 3 Descartes 4 Sartre 5 Brand 6 JS Mill 7 Aristotle 8 Voltaire 9 Hegel 10 Nietzsche So, nearly right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedmaul Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 This is a wind up isn't it? I don't think he's ever been right. He says what stupid people want to hear, and they lap it up thinking it's the way the world and economics work, and it just doesn't work that way. You just described Nigel Farage perfectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 He's not addressing closed minded people like yourself he's addressing open minded youngsters who believe that the world can be changed & he's very good at it. Ah come on, you don't really believe that do you? We were all young and wanting to change the world once, then we grew up and realised that actually, it's not a bad place, certainly not this country anyway! The guy is a helmet and a massive hypocrite, can't stand him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 He's not addressing closed minded people like yourself he's addressing open minded youngsters who believe that the world can be changed & he's very good at it. So nothing actually to be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Ah come on, you don't really believe that do you? We were all young and wanting to change the world once, then we grew up and realised that actually, it's not a bad place, certainly not this country anyway! The guy is a helmet and a massive hypocrite, can't stand him. I do. Remember I work with 16-19yo who, in the main, live on social media and he appeals to them as he's not a politician and they get what he's saying. Most youngsters have no interest in main stream politics as represented by the main parties but they do want a better world. Brand talks to them and they get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 So nothing actually to be taken seriously. He's not attempting to influence the likes of us but who knows what influence he will have of those following us. Only the foolish dismiss men like him and his impact he has on young minds using social media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 He's not attempting to influence the likes of us but who knows what influence he will have of those following us. Only the foolish dismiss men like him and his impact he has on young minds using social media. What impact has he had? What are his great ideas the youth of today are thankfully taking on board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 He's not attempting to influence the likes of us but who knows what influence he will have of those following us. Only the foolish dismiss men like him and his impact he has on young minds using social media. He is successful at engaging the young, but then they find out he's got no solutions or even usable tactics so they'll get even more disenchanted and dis-enfranchised. You've got to have more to offer than "its really bad and unfair". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 He's not addressing closed minded people like yourself he's addressing open minded youngsters who believe that the world can be changed & he's very good at it. I'm not close minded at all...he just talks utter crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 What impact has he had? What are his great ideas the youth of today are thankfully taking on board? The youngsters I deal with believe that the way we are governed needs to be radically changed as does the way wealth is generated and distributed. They listen to Brand's ideas and they get it and like it. We as a generation may not like it, or even understand why others do, but the simple truth is, he's hit a cord with a swathe of young people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 He is successful at engaging the young, but then they find out he's got no solutions or even usable tactics so they'll get even more disenchanted and dis-enfranchised. You've got to have more to offer than "its really bad and unfair". Or they decide that change is possible and become more engaged. It's better than the status quo though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 The youngsters I deal with believe that the way we are governed needs to be radically changed as does the way wealth is generated and distributed. They listen to Brand's ideas and they get it and like it. We as a generation may not like it, or even understand why others do, but the simple truth is, he's hit a cord with a swathe of young people. Is that it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I'm not close minded at all... No, of course you're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Is that it? Nope, but you asked for an example and I've given you some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 The youngsters I deal with believe that the way we are governed needs to be radically changed as does the way wealth is generated and distributed. They listen to Brand's ideas and they get it and like it. We as a generation may not like it, or even understand why others do, but the simple truth is, he's hit a cord with a swathe of young people. They must be more clever than I am, genuinely, as I don't understand half the stuff he writes. I'm being semi-facetious, but maybe I am thick, because I just don't understand his random ranting about how terrible everything is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I do. Remember I work with 16-19yo who, in the main, live on social media and he appeals to them as he's not a politician and they get what he's saying. Most youngsters have no interest in main stream politics as represented by the main parties but they do want a better world. Brand talks to them and they get it. Are these the same 16-19 year olds who don't know how student loans work? Sounds about right judging by Brand's economic knowhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 No, of course you're not. I'm not, not at all. If you'd like to provide some examples then I'll be happy to discuss them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Are these the same 16-19 year olds who don't know how student loans work? Sounds about right judging by Brand's economic knowhow. Says the man with such a closed mind he cannot fathom that people from a different region in a different social class have different views on wealth, work and debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 They must be more clever than I am, genuinely, as I don't understand half the stuff he writes. I'm being semi-facetious, but maybe I am thick, because I just don't understand his random ranting about how terrible everything is. I don't get it myself but the youngsters seem to. Loads subscribe to his youtube channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Says the man with such a closed mind he cannot fathom that people from a different region in a different social class have different views on wealth, work and debt. Not at all, of course they have different views, I never denied tha? Show me where I denied that they should have a different view on debt. What I said is that they should be intelligent enough to realise how a student loan works if they are intelligent enough to go to University. Obviously I have a higher opinion of our students than you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I don't get it myself but the youngsters seem to. Loads subscribe to his youtube channel. I can't argue with that, nor your previous point about different demographics and socioeconomic upbringings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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