saint1977 Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 For the sake of the club, this has to be the way forwards. We need a top class keeper in next season and they can sort it out after that. There's no point going half arsed short term. And tbh, I really don't think they will. But more importantly, this sucks hard, really hope FFs recovery goes well so we see him back again sooner than we think. I agree, awful news for Fraser and the club but the club will have learned from the J Rod saga just how hard these injuries are to recover from properly. Ronald did seem to fear the worst when he spoke to the doctor on Saturday. Stop gaps aren't the way forward, especially in the most specialist position in the team. If the new signing does well, Fraser will have to fight for his place but also it means that the club won't have to rush his recovery, not that I think you can with an injury of that severity anyway. You've also got to factor in that Toby and Clyne might not be around next season so the defence may not be as solid as it's been this year, or arguably last when we didn't need to use Gazza or Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 When is the free transfer deadline? Today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Been reading of a strange case in Germany. At Mayence one of the keepers is out of contract this summer and the club didn't want to renew his contract so he invoked ordinary employment law in germany where a worker can ask to be hired on an indefinite contract (same as any other worker really) after 2 years service. The courts upheld his right to do this and now if Mayence want to get shot of him they-ll have to find a reason to sack him and no doubt pay compensation. Now if all footballers in Germany started doing that (if it was to their advantage) it might make a hell of a mess of the transfer system. I suppose all it needs is a court to define a list of 'reasonable' reasons for letting a player go and the ruling doesn't mean much, but it does sound like it could be messy for a period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLiam Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 OP says 12 but others saying he'll be back Sep/Oct. I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fez Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 OP says 12 but others saying he'll be back Sep/Oct. I'm confused. There's an inherent unpredictability to recovery from an injury like this so no one - not even the specialist treating Fraser - knows. It could be just 6 months, could be more than 12, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I suppose all it needs is a court to define a list of 'reasonable' reasons for letting a player go and the ruling doesn't mean much' date=' but it does sound like it could be messy for a period.[/quote'] Not to mention the fact that in theory a player could just quit after giving notice, same as any other worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Can we please on Cech now as an emergency? Kelvin can do his bit and fake an injury. Even if Kelvin Davis were to be injured, we still have... - Paulo Gazzaniga is 23 years old - Cody Cropper is 22 years old - Will Britt is 20 years old - Chris Johns is 19 years old The Premier League would probably tell us to use them, they aren't kids anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Even if Kelvin Davis were to be injured, we still have... - Paulo Gazzaniga is 23 years old - Cody Cropper is 22 years old - Will Britt is 20 years old - Chris Johns is 19 years old The Premier League would probably tell us to use them, they aren't kids anymore. Absolutely, I mean it's not the PL's fault if we're stupid enough to continue to employ shîte goalkeepers now is it. All of them could have been loaned out for this season and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the only thing that counts..the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Absolutely, I mean it's not the PL's fault if we're stupid enough to continue to employ shîte goalkeepers now is it. All of them could have been loaned out for this season and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the only thing that counts..the first team. Interesting point, I realise you were probably saying this in jest (maybe not) but Premier League rules prevent clubs loaning out more than one goalkeeper per season: "Rule V7.7 a Club may transfer the registration of no more than one of its goalkeepers by wayof temporary Transfer to another Club each Season, subject to any furtherTemporary Transfer of one of its goalkeepers pursuant to Rule V.7.6.2;" So having loaned out Boruc to Boscombe, we would not have been allowed to loan out any of the other 6 keepers on our books (unless Johns may still have been covered by other rules that apply specifically to Youth players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Interesting point, I realise you were probably saying this in jest (maybe not) but Premier League rules prevent clubs loaning out more than one goalkeeper per season: "Rule V7.7 a Club may transfer the registration of no more than one of its goalkeepers by wayof temporary Transfer to another Club each Season, subject to any furtherTemporary Transfer of one of its goalkeepers pursuant to Rule V.7.6.2;" So having loaned out Boruc to Boscombe, we would not have been allowed to loan out any of the other 6 keepers on our books (unless Johns may still have been covered by other rules that apply specifically to Youth players). What a strange rule, why have umpteen goalkeepers if you can't loan them out to gain experience, goalkeepers need games all of the time, no point in having so many that you can't use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Interesting point, I realise you were probably saying this in jest (maybe not) but Premier League rules prevent clubs loaning out more than one goalkeeper per season: "Rule V7.7 a Club may transfer the registration of no more than one of its goalkeepers by wayof temporary Transfer to another Club each Season, subject to any furtherTemporary Transfer of one of its goalkeepers pursuant to Rule V.7.6.2;" So having loaned out Boruc to Boscombe, we would not have been allowed to loan out any of the other 6 keepers on our books (unless Johns may still have been covered by other rules that apply specifically to Youth players). Pretty sure at one point this season we had Boruc at BMO and Britt at Maidenhead (I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 (edited) Interesting point, I realise you were probably saying this in jest (maybe not) but Premier League rules prevent clubs loaning out more than one goalkeeper per season: "Rule V7.7 a Club may transfer the registration of no more than one of its goalkeepers by wayof temporary Transfer to another Club each Season, subject to any furtherTemporary Transfer of one of its goalkeepers pursuant to Rule V.7.6.2;" So having loaned out Boruc to Boscombe, we would not have been allowed to loan out any of the other 6 keepers on our books (unless Johns may still have been covered by other rules that apply specifically to Youth players). If I am reading the rule correctly "Club" refers only to Premier league clubs so we could loan additional goalkeepers out to foreign clubs or to lower league clubs. Here is the rule: A.1.33. “Club” means an association football club in membership of the League and: (a) for the purposes of Rules E.39 to E.49 inclusive includes any club which is entitled to be promoted from the Football League to the League; (b) for the purposes of Rules A.1.51, A.1.55, A.1.164, and Sections F and H of these Rules (including any Forms prescribed therein) includes any Associated Undertaking, Fellow Subsidiary Undertaking, Group Undertaking, or Parent Undertaking of such Club; and © for the purposes of Section G of these Rules, Rules I.1 to I.7 and Rule J.3 (and including any Forms prescribed therein) includes any Associated Undertaking, Fellow Subsidiary Undertaking, Group Undertaking, Parent Undertaking or Subsidiary Undertaking of such Club; "club" without the capital "C" has a different meaning, but V 7.7 uses the capital "C". A.1.34. “club” means an association football club not in membership of the League; Edited 26 March, 2015 by Redslo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 Pretty sure at one point this season we had Boruc at BMO and Britt at Maidenhead (I think) Britt was indeed at Maidenhead. Got sent off in the only game I saw him play in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 I think that having a top-class keeper in goal is one of the most important factors in developing a top side. It a real blow for saints as well as for Fraser but we have to find another top-rated keeper. The cost of not doing this will be huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4INT Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/6313/victor-cruz bleak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/6313/victor-cruz bleak Never mind they'll just draft someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 26 March, 2015 Share Posted 26 March, 2015 If anyone is watching the Bresil-France game, Steve Mandanda is in goal for France. He is about to quit Marseille this summer as he wants a new challenge. He would be a good replacement for Forster. Young, experienced and would push Frazer once he comes back from injury. A very good keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 27 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 27 March, 2015 If anyone is watching the Bresil-France game, Steve Mandanda is in goal for France. He is about to quit Marseille this summer as he wants a new challenge. He would be a good replacement for Forster. Young, experienced and would push Frazer once he comes back from injury. A very good keeper. Mandanda is 30 tomorrow, not exactly what I'd describe as young - even for a goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 Absolutely, I mean it's not the PL's fault if we're stupid enough to continue to employ shîte goalkeepers now is it. All of them could have been loaned out for this season and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference to the only thing that counts..the first team. Why loan out a young goaly when we have the country's top goalkeeping coach on the staff to train them here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 Mandanda is 30 tomorrow, not exactly what I'd describe as young - even for a goalkeeper. Goalkeepers don't peak before they are 31-32 so I would still consider him young. Anyway he has loads of experience at Champions League level and has great ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 Why loan out a young goaly when we have the country's top goalkeeping coach on the staff to train them here? To a point where none of them is considered as adequate as Kelvin Davis, I think you've answered your own question really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 Goalkeepers don't peak before they are 31-32 so I would still consider him young. Anyway he has loads of experience at Champions League level and has great ability. Good keepers play first team football from a fairly early age, Mandanda certainly did, peaking is a matter of opinion but he'd certainly be good enough for us, bloke I'd really like to see at Saints though is Ruffier of St Etienne. Probably better than Mandanda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 The club need to assume that Forster will not be back next season. Therefore we need 1 or 2 keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 I wouldn't be buying a new player every time a bro gets injured. I would just Make Do. It's only Goalkeeper ffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 Dependent on us getting top 4 and whether Man Utd do, or they sell De Gea, IF we are in a position to offer wages then how about a season long loan of Victor Valdes? He's sitting third choice there and IF we get into Champs League then… stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 The club need to assume that Forster will not be back next season. Therefore we need 1 or 2 keepers. Agreed, but my guess is that it will be one, and keep one of skd, cropper or gazza as backup. I'd be surprised if we signed two keepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 We want to coach and encourage the young keepers, not buy TWO keepers, what message would that give them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 Agreed dellman! Give bros a chance! I reckon i.e. G-Nigga could surprise us + provide quality goalkeeping, at least until Forsyth is back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 27 March, 2015 Share Posted 27 March, 2015 [Petr Cech] will be able to get a No.1 spot at Arsenal or Liverpool pretty easily I'd say, and those clubs are registered with an interested. I think he'll go to one of those 2. We obviously do need a top new GK, but someone of his level is out of our league. Then we go for whomever he displaces at Arsenal of Liverpool. It's simple. The merry-go-round keeps turning until it reaches us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 March, 2015 Share Posted 28 March, 2015 When is the free transfer deadline? It was Friday. So that's probably the registration deadline for stupid faffing re-signing your own goalkeeper emergency contract shenanigans gone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 March, 2015 Share Posted 28 March, 2015 I wouldn't be buying a new player every time a bro gets injured. I would just Make Do. It's only Goalkeeper ffs! Soccernomics, Bear. Goalkeeper is the most undervalued position considering cost against impact on result. So buying a better keeper is almost buying points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 March, 2015 Share Posted 28 March, 2015 Why am I expecting a response suggesting we buy eleven of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 28 March, 2015 Share Posted 28 March, 2015 Why am I expecting a response suggesting we buy eleven of them? It would not be enough. They would each need their own back up. Buy 17. (we already have five of the backups.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 28 March, 2015 Share Posted 28 March, 2015 you would assume the purpose of a coach is to identify weaknesses and improve players through coaching, dave watson has to earn his coin now as its easy to work with world class players but he needs to develop players from a basic positioning. Gazza has quite a few games and I know its heresy to say it but he wasn't horrific in every game, in fact I'd say he probably has the best distribution amongst the keepers, he just needs to work on shot stopping and isn't the only keeper who needs to manage his area better as Fraser has been pretty bad at this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 28 March, 2015 Share Posted 28 March, 2015 you would assume the purpose of a coach is to identify weaknesses and improve players through coaching, dave watson has to earn his coin now as its easy to work with world class players but he needs to develop players from a basic positioning. Gazza has quite a few games and I know its heresy to say it but he wasn't horrific in every game, in fact I'd say he probably has the best distribution amongst the keepers, he just needs to work on shot stopping and isn't the only keeper who needs to manage his area better as Fraser has been pretty bad at this as well. You're gonna upset some by saying that!!!...........BTW I agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 you would assume the purpose of a coach is to identify weaknesses and improve players through coaching, dave watson has to earn his coin now as its easy to work with world class players but he needs to develop players from a basic positioning. Gazza has quite a few games and I know its heresy to say it but he wasn't horrific in every game, in fact I'd say he probably has the best distribution amongst the keepers, he just needs to work on shot stopping and isn't the only keeper who needs to manage his area better as Fraser has been pretty bad at this as well. Gazza has to get out of the annoying habit of getting out of the way of every shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 PG has had some good games for the under 21's. He has definitely improved. Definitely need a new number 1 to fill in/compete with FF when he's back though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 Rob Green for me QPR are doomed so he will be available and shouldn't cost the earth given his age probably 2 million tops. He is proven at this level and might well see us as an opportunity to establish himself at a top side and maybe re-ignite his international career. He would come in knowing he would start the season as number 1 so the jersey would be his to loose which I don't think any other top 6-7 side is going to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 Rob Green for me QPR are doomed so he will be available and shouldn't cost the earth given his age probably 2 million tops. He is proven at this level and might well see us as an opportunity to establish himself at a top side and maybe re-ignite his international career. He would come in knowing he would start the season as number 1 so the jersey would be his to loose which I don't think any other top 6-7 side is going to do. report in the paper a couple of days ago is that chelsea are poised to offer him a 2 year deal with a fee to QPR of around £2m... but think he would be ideal for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 Rob Green would be great. Id like to see us sign someone like that and say you'll be our keeper in the cups and back up for Forster, having two good keepers pushing each other can only be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 Rob Green would be great. Id like to see us sign someone like that and say you'll be our keeper in the cups and back up for Forster, having two good keepers pushing each other can only be a good thing. Forster could easily be out for the season and if he performs well could become our number 1. I agree, Saints should move swiftly and with intent to get him to SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 Rob Green would be great. Id like to see us sign someone like that and say you'll be our keeper in the cups and back up for Forster, having two good keepers pushing each other can only be a good thing. Yep, and also likely that whoever comes in would be first choice for some time yet. Hopefully Forster won't be out for as long as feared, but the new keeper could reasonably expect first team football for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DREAMTEAM2014 Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 jack butland anyone ! gone back to stoke from his loans to here there and everywhere wouldnt be a bad understudy to big fraser when kelv hangs up his gloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 I can remember when Jack Butland was a steal at £6m and buying him was a sure fire way to make a fortune as he'd definitely be worth five times that in about three years time. Mind you that was about three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 I can remember when Jack Butland was a steal at £6m and buying him was a sure fire way to make a fortune as he'd definitely be worth five times that in about three years time. Mind you that was about three years ago. Well, you got that wrong didn't you ? But, well done for admitting it, football is all about speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 you would assume the purpose of a coach is to identify weaknesses and improve players through coaching, dave watson has to earn his coin now as its easy to work with world class players but he needs to develop players from a basic positioning. Gazza has quite a few games and I know its heresy to say it but he wasn't horrific in every game, in fact I'd say he probably has the best distribution amongst the keepers, he just needs to work on shot stopping and isn't the only keeper who needs to manage his area better as Fraser has been pretty bad at this as well. I'd take a keeper with poor kicking over one who can't prevent goals going past him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 Well, you got that wrong didn't you ? But, well done for admitting it, football is all about speculation. Stop trolling me you freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 I can remember when Jack Butland was a steal at £6m and buying him was a sure fire way to make a fortune as he'd definitely be worth five times that in about three years time. Mind you that was about three years ago. If he'd joined us that may have happened. We shall never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 Stop trolling me you freak. Hang on ?, oh yes, pointing out that you got something wrong is trolling ? I suggest you are a touch sensitive old boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 29 March, 2015 Share Posted 29 March, 2015 Hang on ?, oh yes, pointing out that you got something wrong is trolling ? I suggest you are a touch sensitive old boy. Great effort. 4/10. Never mind, it will soon be the close season and you can bring out your ickle joke routine, yet again. And my how we will all laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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