doddisalegend Posted 23 March, 2015 Share Posted 23 March, 2015 Phil McNulty has done a predictor for the top four this season. Saints are in the mix so an interesting read (even if I don't agree with all his predictions). http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31993167 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 23 March, 2015 Share Posted 23 March, 2015 I can see us getting a win at Sunderland, but 6th/7th could come down to the Saints/Spurs game. I'd happily take 6th though as it would guarantee us European football and would mean finishing above one of the big boys. 5th would be a dream, I don't think we are still in the top 4 hunt though, but stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 23 March, 2015 Share Posted 23 March, 2015 5th would be great and is achievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scdean Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Each place does make a difference, as the Europa qualifying teams are seeded for the first round of qualification games. I believe 5th goes straight into the group stage, while the other spots have play off games to reach the group stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 I would be more than happy with 6th and delighted by 5th. If RK can get Pelle firing again anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 I can see now why the media don't like Southampton being at the top of the table.....our name is simply too long to fit neatly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Which team does McNulty support? I would guess at Man Utd as he is overly optimistic at how they will do and overly pessimistic about Man City's chances. Of course he could just be a pessimistic City fan! Anyway, here are the key Barclays Premier League Fixtures for rest of season for sides in the top 7 - assuming that they will remain in the European qualification places (i.e. assuming Swansea, West Ham and Stoke don't catch up) together with my predictions... Saturday 4th April 2015 Arsenal V Liverpool 2-1 Everton V Southampton 1-1 Man Utd V Aston Villa 1-0 Chelsea V Stoke 2-0 Sunday 5th April 2015 Burnley V Tottenham 2-2 Monday 6th April 2015 Crystal Palace V Man City 1-1 Saturday 11th April 2015 Southampton V Hull 2-0 Tottenham V Aston Villa 2-0 Burnley V Arsenal 1-2 Sunday 12th April 2015 QPR V Chelsea 0-3 Man Utd V Man City 1-2 Monday 13th April 2015 Liverpool V Newcastle 2-1 Saturday 18th April 2015 Hull V Liverpool 1-2 Stoke V Southampton 0-1 Chelsea V Man Utd 3-1 Sunday 19th April 2015 Man City V West Ham 3-1 Newcastle V Tottenham 1-1 Saturday 25th April 2015 Southampton V Tottenham 1-0 West Brom V Liverpool 1-2 Man City V Aston Villa 3-0 Sunday 26th April 2015 Everton V Man Utd 1-1 Arsenal V Chelsea 2-2 Wednesday 29th April 2015 Leicester V Chelsea 1-3 Saturday 2nd May 2015 Chelsea V Crystal Palace 2-1 Hull V Arsenal 1-2 Liverpool V QPR 2-1 Man Utd V West Brom 2-1 Sunderland V Southampton 0-2 Tottenham V Man City 1-2 Saturday 9th May 2015 Arsenal V Swansea 2-0 Chelsea V Liverpool 2-0 Crystal Palace V Man Utd 1-1 Leicester V Southampton 0-2 Man City V QPR 4-1 Stoke V Tottenham 1-1 Saturday 16th May 2015 Liverpool V Crystal Palace 2-1 Man Utd V Arsenal 1-3 Southampton V Aston Villa 3-0 Swansea V Man City 1-2 Tottenham V Hull 2-0 West Brom V Chelsea 0-2 Wednesday 20th May 2015 Arsenal V Sunderland 4-0 Sunday 24th May 2015 Arsenal V West Brom 3-0 Chelsea V Sunderland 4-0 Everton V Tottenham 1-1 Hull V Man Utd 1-1 Man City V Southampton 3-1 Stoke V Liverpool 1-2 This would leave the final table looking like this: Team................P......GD....Pts Chelsea..............38.....36.....92 Man City.............38.....34.....83 Arsenal...............38.....27.....82 Southampton.......38.....21.....72 Liverpool.............38.....12.....72 Man Utd..............38.....25.....68 Tottenham...........38......5.....63 OK - I've probably been overly optimistic about Saints results and overly pessimistic about the results of Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs, but it's not beyond the bounds of possibility is it?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Pos Team Pld GD Pts 1 Chelsea 38 55 92 2 Arsenal 38 41 80 3 Man City 38 40 79 4 Man Utd 38 30 74 5 Liverpool 38 18 72 6 Saints 38 28 70 7 Tottenham 38 8 64 8 West Ham 38 2 49 9 Swansea 38 -9 49 10 Stoke 38 -7 48 11 Everton 38 -3 43 12 C Palace 38 -11 41 13 Newcastle 38 -17 41 14 W BA 38 -16 39 15 S'land 38 -30 33 16 Burnley 38 -26 32 17 Aston Villa 38 -27 32 18 Hull City 38 -23 31 19 Leicester 38 -24 26 20 QPR 38 -29 26 This is what my final table looked like! I'd like to think I was reasonable with my scores! In my one though Hull go down though?!?! I don't know how I've managed that to happen haha Everyone else have a go, tell me what you get!!! http://www.thesportspredictor.com/#/predictor/with/season,pro,hideFinished,showTools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Everyone else have a go, tell me what you get!!! http://www.thesportspredictor.com/#/predictor/with/season,pro,hideFinished,showTools I did the "Smart Lucky Dip" thing 10 times, and we never finished lower than 5th. 3 times we was 4th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djg Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Pos Team Pld GD Pts 1 Chelsea 37 54 91 2 Man City 38 50 82 3 Arsenal 37 42 79 4 Man Utd 37 34 75 5 Saints 38 29 70 6 Liverpool 38 18 70 7 Tottenham 38 10 66 8 Swansea 38 -5 54 9 West Ham 38 1 51 10 Stoke 38 -4 50 11 Everton 37 -2 47 12 C Palace 38 -7 46 13 Newcastle 38 -18 42 14 West Brom 38 -16 40 15 Aston Villa 38 -33 35 16 Burnley 38 -25 33 17 Sunderland 38 -32 31 18 Hull 38 -25 29 19 Leicester 38 -32 26 20 QPR 38 -39 24 5th place, that'll do! I ended up with Hull to go down too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5string Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 I did the "Smart Lucky Dip" thing 10 times, and we never finished lower than 5th. 3 times we was 4th! First time, lucky dip... 7th. Brugger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2015 First time, lucky dip... 7th. Brugger! I just did a smart lucky dip and got Saints as Champions on 71pts and Chelsea in second on 67 I'll take that......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Pos Team Pld GD Pts 1 Chelsea 38 55 92 2 Arsenal 38 41 80 3 Man City 38 40 79 4 Man Utd 38 30 74 5 Liverpool 38 18 72 6 Saints 38 28 70 7 Tottenham 38 8 64 8 West Ham 38 2 49 9 Swansea 38 -9 49 10 Stoke 38 -7 48 11 Everton 38 -3 43 12 C Palace 38 -11 41 13 Newcastle 38 -17 41 14 W BA 38 -16 39 15 S'land 38 -30 33 16 Burnley 38 -26 32 17 Aston Villa 38 -27 32 18 Hull City 38 -23 31 19 Leicester 38 -24 26 20 QPR 38 -29 26 This is what my final table looked like! I'd like to think I was reasonable with my scores! In my one though Hull go down though?!?! I don't know how I've managed that to happen haha Everyone else have a go, tell me what you get!!! http://www.thesportspredictor.com/#/predictor/with/season,pro,hideFinished,showTools I just did the predictor thing as honestly and non-Saints-fanny as I could, and it had Saints on 67 points in 6th, one point and one place ahead of Spurs. We were 3 points behind Liverpool in 5th. Top 4 gap was huge. Mind you, the worst team of my predictor were Hull, who avoided relegation on goal difference to Burnley but only just as I predicted them to only get 1 more point for the rest of this season from where they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 4 April, 2015 Share Posted 4 April, 2015 Saturday 4th April 2015 Arsenal V Liverpool 2-1 Everton V Southampton 1-1 Man Utd V Aston Villa 1-0 Chelsea V Stoke 2-0 Sunday 5th April 2015 Burnley V Tottenham 2-2 Monday 6th April 2015 Crystal Palace V Man City 1-1 ...... This would leave the final table looking like this: Team................P......GD....Pts Chelsea..............38.....36.....92 Man City.............38.....34.....83 Arsenal...............38.....27.....82 Southampton.......38.....21.....72 Liverpool.............38.....12.....72 Man Utd..............38.....25.....68 Tottenham...........38......5.....63 In the light of today's results, I thought it would be worth revisiting predictions I made before about the end of the season. Unfortunately, we didn't get the draw I (optimistically) hoped for, but it doesn't make much difference to the predictions: Team................P......GD....Pts Chelsea..............38.....36.....92 Man City.............38.....34.....83 Arsenal...............38.....29.....82 Liverpool.............38.....10.....72 Southampton.......38.....20.....71 Man Utd..............38.....27.....68 Tottenham...........38......5.....63 Nevertheless, that one point could well be enough to cost us a Champion's League place. On the other hand, though, Liverpool's heavier defeat than I predicted could make a significant difference too! I've put Liverpool down to defeat both Newcastle and Hull in their next two games, but what if they fail to win one of those games and only manage to draw? It could still leave Saints in with a chance of a Champions League spot. OK, I know I'm dreaming here! My real point is that there is still a long way to go and many things could change between now and the end of the season. In particular, despite of all the talk about Man United looking likely to qualify for the Champions League, I still want to point out that they have to play Man City and Chelsea in their next two games. Lose those two and suddenly their confidence will be much less and, who knows, they could even lose to Everton in the following game. On a more pessimistic level, what happens if we barely win another game this season? Could our current expectations of playing in Europe next season be proved wrong? Finally, I wonder how today's results impact upon other people's predictions? My guess is that most people won't have predicted much different than the actual results we saw today, so it probably won't have much affect. So... how do you see it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 4 April, 2015 Share Posted 4 April, 2015 We won't finish above Man Utd. We won't finish in the top 4 but 5th - 7th is all to play for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 4 April, 2015 Share Posted 4 April, 2015 In my opinion the make up of the top 4 is settled after today's results. I can't see Man U losing 8 points to Liverpool in 7 games. What order the top 4 will be is a different matter. Optimistically we could still get 5th, but afraid that our poor strike rate will cost us. Poor decision by the Club in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's There Posted 4 April, 2015 Share Posted 4 April, 2015 Hmmm I've predicted and I think... Chelsea 38 50 89 2 Man City 38 50 83 3 Arsenal 38 44 80 4 Man Utd 38 32 73 5 Liverpool 38 17 70 6 Tottenham 38 11 67 7 Southampton 38 20 64 8 Stoke 38 -1 53 9 Swansea 38 -6 52 10 Everton 38 -3 46 11 West Ham 38 -5 45 12 Newcastle 38 -18 43 13 C Palace 38 -16 41 14 Aston Villa 38 -23 37 15 Leicester 38 -19 35 16 QPR 38 -25 35 17 West Brom 38 -27 35 18 Burnley 38 -26 33 19 Sunderland 38 -31 31 20 Hull 38 -24 30 Hmm interesting- still Saints best season in premiership! Look who's gone though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 4 April, 2015 Share Posted 4 April, 2015 LOL. Charlie Adam just equalised for Stoke from well inside his own half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 4 April, 2015 Share Posted 4 April, 2015 We won't finish above Man Utd. We won't finish in the top 4 but 5th - 7th is all to play for. I'm sorry but there are a lot of people who are, in my opinion, over-predicting how Man Utd will finish the season. I accept that they have ben in great form recently, but with some very difficult fixtures ahead that could well change. They have been very lucky in far too many matches this season, but who is to say that their luck will not run out. Take a look at their fixtures in isolation: 12 April Home v Man City - this is the match Man City need to show their superiority and to reignite their push to finish the season well. With Costa out injured they may even sniff the possibility (however feint) of catching Chelsea. I predict a narrow Man City win. 18 April Away v Chelsea - even without Costa, Mourinho will have his side well up for this match and Man Utd will be unable to cope with them. A clear Chelsea win. After those two games Man Utd may find themselves back down into fifth and with their Champions League credentials under scrutiny. 26 April Away v Everton. With Everton reinvigorated and keen to finish the season strongly - especially against Man Utd, this will be another tough fixture. It could go any way. I have predicted a draw, but who knows?! 2 May Home v West Brom. After three tough matches this should be respite for United, though this is the sort of fixture that Pulis relishes. Nevertheless, I predict a Man Utd win - though possibly only just with more questions about Man Utd's ability to see the job of Champions League qualification through. 9 May Away v Crystal Palace. You would expect Man Utd to win this, but Palace have been a revelation under Pardew. It's the sort of tough match that a team under the spotlight feling the pressure of the struggle to achieve could end up drawing, which has been my somewhat leftfield prediction! After all they won't necessarily win all the apparently winnable fixtures. 17 May Home v Arsenal. With Arsenal finishing strongly and hoping to finish at least second, I believe they will be too strong for United. They will be particularly motivated for this match after past experiences - even without Ferguson at the helm. 24 May Away v Hull. With Hull battling to avoid relegation this match will not be as easy as it might appear. They won't be strong enough to beat United but with home advatage they may secure a draw. The pressure could also get to United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 April, 2015 Share Posted 4 April, 2015 I'm sorry but there are a lot of people who are, in my opinion, over-predicting how Man Utd will finish the season. I accept that they have ben in great form recently, but with some very difficult fixtures ahead that could well change. They have been very lucky in far too many matches this season, but who is to say that their luck will not run out. Take a look at their fixtures in isolation: 12 April Home v Man City - this is the match Man City need to show their superiority and to reignite their push to finish the season well. With Costa out injured they may even sniff the possibility (however feint) of catching Chelsea. I predict a narrow Man City win. 18 April Away v Chelsea - even without Costa, Mourinho will have his side well up for this match and Man Utd will be unable to cope with them. A clear Chelsea win. After those two games Man Utd may find themselves back down into fifth and with their Champions League credentials under scrutiny. As they're 8 points ahead of the team in 5th and there are only 6 points to play for I think it's unlikely. They do have the most difficult run in, but the top 4 are set in stone after Saints and Liverpool lost today. Spurs have no chance of making up 8 points in 8 matches on City who are currently 4th and have played the same number of matches, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 4 April, 2015 Share Posted 4 April, 2015 Champions league is done? Get real folks, we had to win every game and we aren't good enough for that. Does it matter? We have had a great season and fantastic 5 years with more to come! This place is so very negative after a defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 4 April, 2015 Share Posted 4 April, 2015 As they're 8 points ahead of the team in 5th and there are only 6 points to play for I think it's unlikely. They do have the most difficult run in, but the top 4 are set in stone after Saints and Liverpool lost today. Spurs have no chance of making up 8 points in 8 matches on City who are currently 4th and have played the same number of matches, either. Just to clarify the 'may find themselves down into fifth' remark... Man Utd's next match after this is not until the Sunday. Both Liverpool and Saints will have played on the Saturday (and will therefore have played for a possible 9 points) and while it is highly unlikely that Saints will have done enough to overtake Utd on goal difference, it is possible that Liverpool could win all three of their games (against Newcastle, Hull and West Brom) and therefore find themselves a point ahead of United. With that particular combination of fixtures coming up it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Utd could be under significant pressure by the time they play against Everton on 26 April. (Anyway, that's my lot for today - hopefully it has been a useful discussion!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 5 April, 2015 Share Posted 5 April, 2015 I have been as optimistic as anyone on our top 4 chances.. but that dream is kaput after today. We needed to go 7-1-1 to have any kind of realistic chance. so now we need to go 7-1-0 the rest of the way out? No way. not with our current form... 5 goals in the last 9 matches? sheesh. like most said; 5th is still very well in the realm of possibility. Finishing ahead of 2 teams that tried to tear us apart last summer is now the GOAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 5 April, 2015 Share Posted 5 April, 2015 sorry.. got my games remaining count all messed up there above, but my point remains.. top 4 is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 5 April, 2015 Share Posted 5 April, 2015 We won't finish above Man Utd. We won't finish in the top 4 but 5th - 7th is all to play for. we wont finish above Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 sorry.. got my games remaining count all messed up there above, but my point remains.. top 4 is done. Probably. Given the remaining schedule our best chance is to finish ahead of Manchester City since we would have to beat them at the end of the season to have a chance anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 Probably. Given the remaining schedule our best chance is to finish ahead of Manchester City since we would have to beat them at the end of the season to have a chance anyway. I think it is highly unlikely we could get anywhere near Man City. Their fixtures are significantly easier than United's and they have a game in hand (tonight against Palace, away). In my opinion, they have also got a better squad than any other club apart from Chelsea. That having been said, they have been misfiring lately, so who knows?! Anyway, here for reference are Man City's fixtures: Monday 6th April 2015 Crystal Palace V Man City (draw?) Sunday 12th April 2015 Man Utd V Man City (treble chance - I reckon away win) Sunday 19th April 2015 Man City V West Ham (home win) Saturday 25th April 2015 Man City V Aston Villa (home win) Saturday 2nd May 2015 Tottenham V Man City (treble chance - I reckon away win) Saturday 9th May 2015 Man City V QPR (home win) Saturday 16th May 2015 Swansea V Man City (away win) Sunday 24th May 2015 Man City V Southampton (depends on how much is riding on the fixture, but they absolutely tonked us at home earlier in the season, so don't hold out much hope of us getting a decent result from this one) From those fixtures you would expect Man City to get at least ten points, which would give them at least 71 points. That would leave us needing to get at least 18 points from 7 games just to draw level on points - in other words, 6 wins and one defeat, including beating Man City. Having said that it is unlikely, my previous 'predictions' (not exactly predictions, more projections of a possible scenario) were based on winning all games except the City and Everton games, so you never know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 6 April, 2015 Share Posted 6 April, 2015 I think it is highly unlikely we could get anywhere near Man City. Their fixtures are significantly easier than United's and they have a game in hand (tonight against Palace, away). In my opinion, they have also got a better squad than any other club apart from Chelsea. That having been said, they have been misfiring lately, so who knows?! Anyway, here for reference are Man City's fixtures: Monday 6th April 2015 Crystal Palace V Man City (draw?) Sunday 12th April 2015 Man Utd V Man City (treble chance - I reckon away win) Sunday 19th April 2015 Man City V West Ham (home win) Saturday 25th April 2015 Man City V Aston Villa (home win) Saturday 2nd May 2015 Tottenham V Man City (treble chance - I reckon away win) Saturday 9th May 2015 Man City V QPR (home win) Saturday 16th May 2015 Swansea V Man City (away win) Sunday 24th May 2015 Man City V Southampton (depends on how much is riding on the fixture, but they absolutely tonked us at home earlier in the season, so don't hold out much hope of us getting a decent result from this one) From those fixtures you would expect Man City to get at least ten points, which would give them at least 71 points. That would leave us needing to get at least 18 points from 7 games just to draw level on points - in other words, 6 wins and one defeat, including beating Man City. Having said that it is unlikely, my previous 'predictions' (not exactly predictions, more projections of a possible scenario) were based on winning all games except the City and Everton games, so you never know! I agree that were are very unlikely to catch any of the top four clubs. But Man City's game in hand is not an advantage to them because, unlike United and Arsenal, they can still lose this weekend. If they beat Crystal Palace then are chances against them are, of course, very slim but the small chance that palace can get a result is something. As for you analysis of the probable results, I agree that if we assume Man City is going to play up to their potential we can't catch them. I just think that right now they are showing the best signs of not playing up to their potential. That being said, our only hope is if one of the second through fourth clubs decides to lose all its games against the other top seven clubs and drops points against lesser clubs as well--and we virtually have to win out. All of that is unlikely, but I would not be surprised if Man City fail to come in second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 8 April, 2015 Share Posted 8 April, 2015 Agree. On our current form looks like we can hope to finish between 5-7. Just hope its above the scouse *****s and judas, so 5th would be an awesome result. 7 games to go, reckon we'll need at least 12 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 April, 2015 Share Posted 8 April, 2015 Looking at it today i'm not so sure it is over. City lose to United this weekend and we win, we're 5 points behind and play them on the last game of the season. Needs a swing in form, but the pressure might be off us a bit now. Win all our games between now and 24th of may and i reckon we'll be in with a chance. People always say about teams hitting form at the right time - from now till the end of the season WOULD be the right time. No room for error but it's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 8 April, 2015 Share Posted 8 April, 2015 Looking at it today i'm not so sure it is over. City lose to United this weekend and we win, we're 5 points behind and play them on the last game of the season. Needs a swing in form, but the pressure might be off us a bit now. Win all our games between now and 24th of may and i reckon we'll be in with a chance. People always say about teams hitting form at the right time - from now till the end of the season WOULD be the right time. No room for error but it's possible. yeah that isn't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 April, 2015 Share Posted 8 April, 2015 Each place does make a difference, as the Europa qualifying teams are seeded for the first round of qualification games. I believe 5th goes straight into the group stage, while the other spots have play off games to reach the group stage. You believe wrong. There are 2 slots direct into the Group Stages. And one going into the 3rd Qualifying Round which then goes through the EL Playoff round into the Group stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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