Top 4 chance now gone? Europa Thoughts?

[Batman]

So much for dismissing Swansea and their run-in

[Saint Charlie]

They will be thinking they can come 6th. We will bite your hand off to just stay 7th. Momentum everything in the PL.

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

Watching the sky ticker

Arsenal battering Swansea, que Swansea goal

Jesus

[SNSUN]

Yep. 8th place here we come.

[Saint_Tony]

Oh dear. To not even finish in the top 7 was unthinkable just a few weeks ago. Massive, massive game now on Saturday. We may well need a result at City as well. Absolutely gutted right now. Hopefully Man City will do a job on sunday

[DT]

We have our final points tally methinks

 

 

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[Toomer]

Swansea 1 up at the Arse

[tobes8]

Think we have screwed this up good and proper. Fair play to gary monk and swansea who have done so well without bony. But they have a quaility striker who's been sat on the bench and comes on and scores tonight.

[Baird of the land]

Well this end of season looks like it is going to be embarrassing if we collapse out of top 7. Hopefully this result will give the players a kick up the proverbial behind for game against villa.

[Wrensup]

So much for dismissing Swansea and their run-in

 

Suddenly we're not so special anymore.

Serious chance of finishing 8th... But wait it's okay because we've broke our reckon points haul... by one.

[adrian lord]

You have to admire the Swans

[DT]

Swansea look a better, more balanced side than us, I'm afraid. Class keeper too

 

 

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[Saint Charlie]

Our players are ambitious and will still feel they can make the top 4.

[Batman]

And to think the club were talking champions league football again a few weeks ago.

[JackFrost]

Well if that doesn't give the squad a rocket up the arse then the squad need a long hard look at themselves.

[Bewildered]

Players aren't playing like they are all too fussed about playing in the Europa League next season. Lucky for them it looks like Swansea are ready to save them the hassle.

[Wrensup]

Well this end of season looks like it is going to be embarrassing if we collapse out of top 7. Hopefully this result will give the players a kick up the proverbial behind for game against villa.

 

I can't see it happening. The defence isn't suddenly going to have confidence in which ever Keeper we play, if Morgan plays doubt he'll make much of an impact being half injured. Clyne can't be arsed now as he's going. Davis is out if sorts, and Pelle just doesn't move. Not to mention how well Benteke is playing right now too.

[Batman]

Just said on the radio that Monk is probably going to be regarded as "best of the rest" in managerial terms. Would have shown to have that little bit more in his locker than Koeman

[Mowgli]

And to think the club were talking champions league football again a few weeks ago.

 

To be fair, you just made that up.

[Batman]

To be fair, you just made that up.

 

I have not though have I.

[Mowgli]

Gutted about tonight's result but we only have ourselves to blame. It's never straight forward with saints is it

 

This. Wouldn't want it any other way! It has always been a roller coaster ride with saints.

[Wrensup]

To be fair, you just made that up.

Nope Reedboyo mentioned it quite recently

[Saint_clark]

Nope Reedboyo mentioned it quite recently

 

Yeah...but not for this season.

 

I wonder what CB Fry thinks of our chances of finishing outside the top 7 now

[Saint_Tony]

Swansea just have that little extra bit of quality that we lack going forward. Even so, we've been clear of them for months and it should never have come to this. So nervous for the Villa game now.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Need to get stuck right into Villa and see how many of them fancy missing out on a Cup final just to beat us. We need the win now as much as they do to stay out of relegation trouble...

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Whilst I feel confident that Man City will get the job done and win tomorrow and we will finish 7th, I can't help but feel that Villa have a better chance in the Cup Final than many are giving them.

 

There is no doubt on paper that Arsenal should win, but Villa have given Arsenal problems down the years and Arsenal haven't always played well at Wembley.

[Whitey Grandad]

Whilst I feel confident that Man City will get the job done and win tomorrow and we will finish 7th, I can't help but feel that Villa have a better chance in the Cup Final than many are giving them.

 

There is no doubt on paper that Arsenal should win, but Villa have given Arsenal problems down the years and Arsenal haven't always played well at Wembley.

 

Touch and go, I reckon.

[Saint_Tony]

A bit worried still that Villa could ruin our season. Hopefully Man City can grab a point today. All to play for next week though; us, Spurs and Liverpool all have tough games. It's insane to think we can still nick fifth place

[Batman]

I think city will win today. They looked bang on last week

Anything other than a Swansea win and we have 1 foot in the Europa League

[manina-pub]

"All" we need is Liverpool and Spurs failing to win (that's the easy part) .... And us to beat City and we finish 5th, simples !

[5string]

I think city will win today. They looked bang on last week

Anything other than a Swansea win and we have 1 foot in the Europa League

 

That's the foot in, then.

 

I don't know if this has been covered elsewhere, but is there a chance that we might qualify for Europe via the Fair Play League, even if Villa win the FA Cup?

 

Was on the FAPL website and the way they calculate points for qualification includes 'continuing to attack even when in a winning position' under 'Positive Play'. We did that yesterday!

 

3 places are available: assume for this illustration that Liverpool & Man City qualify via PL. West Ham seem obvious 1st choice. Everton & Burnley next 2, but we're not far behind.

This weekend's points not included yet.

 

 

FAIR PLAY TABLE

Season 2014/15

POS CLUB P R/Y P/P R/O R/R B/O PTS SCORE AVG

1 Liverpool 34 274 271 195 204 182 1126 281.5 8.3

2 West Ham 34 276 271 194 199 185 1125 281.25 8.3

3 Everton 34 276 262 198 196 183 1115 278.75 8.2

4 Man City 34 265 272 197 197 182 1113 278.25 8.2

5 Burnley 34 279 255 202 202 174 1112 278.0 8.2

6 Soton 34 280 264 189 196 182 1111 277.75 8.2

7 Man Utd 34 269 257 199 196 187 1108 277.0 8.1

8 Leicester 34 282 248 199 201 171 1101 275.25 8.1

9 Cr Palace 34 273 253 195 200 179 1100 275.0 8.1

10 Tottenham 34 260 271 191 195 179 1096 274.0 8.1

11 W Brom 34 271 243 194 201 186 1095 273.75 8.1

12 Swansea 34 279 249 191 196 179 1094 273.5 8.0

13 Arsenal 33 258 264 183 184 170 1059 264.75 8.0

14 Chelsea 34 268 270 193 188 171 1090 272.5 8.0

15 Q P R 34 265 246 190 197 185 1083 270.75 8.0

16 Newcastle 34 266 234 196 200 181 1077 269.25 8.0

17 Stoke City 34 266 248 183 187 171 1055 263.75 7.8

18 Hull City 34 255 236 187 190 180 1048 262.0 7.8

19 Aston Villa 34 254 234 185 189 185 1047 261.75 7.7

20 Sund'land 33 240 216 181 177 153 967 241.75 7.3

POS CLUB P R/Y P/P R/O R/R B/O PTS SCORE AVG

Edited 17 May, 2015 by 5string
Added stuff

[5string]

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/fair-play-calculation.html

[CB Fry]

Looking at the table we really need to finish fifth for the integrity of the goal difference rankings. We're pi ss ing all over Liverpool and Spurs on that front. Justice needs to be served on Sunday to give the table a sensible and satisfactory goal difference vs points pattern. Otherwise, frankly, it's chaos.

[Nolan]

So desperately want Spurs to finish 7th. Think how torn they'll feel needing Arsenal to win to qualify for Europe.

[warsash saint]

So desperately want Spurs to finish 7th. Think how torn they'll feel needing Arsenal to win to qualify for Europe.

 

most Spurs fans I know don't want Europe anyway!

[lickierambert]

So desperately want Spurs to finish 7th. Think how torn they'll feel needing Arsenal to win to qualify for Europe.

 

They won't care. Every Spurs fan I know is sick of the Europa League

[lickierambert]

Crikey just realised that even if we finish 7th and Arsenal win the cup we'd have to get through 2 lots of 2 legged ties to even get to the group stages. We could really do with a good result next weekend

[SaintTex]

well, here are our chances...

 

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/England/Southampton.html

 

if we lose...

we know that one

 

if we draw...

5th - 0% | 6th - 46% | 7th - 54%

 

if we win...

5th - 40% | 6th - 47% | 7th - 13%

 

overall chances for final table place

5th - 11% | 6th - 22% | 7th - 67%

[Miltonaggro]

well, here are our chances...

 

http://www.sportsclubstats.com/England/Southampton.html

 

if we lose...

we know that one

 

if we draw...

5th - 0% | 6th - 46% | 7th - 54%

 

if we win...

5th - 40% | 6th - 47% | 7th - 13%

 

overall chances for final table place

5th - 11% | 6th - 22% | 7th - 67%

 

 

Fifth for me, hopefully followed by some reactive sackings in self pity city or up north London...

[The9]

That's the foot in, then.

 

I don't know if this has been covered elsewhere, but is there a chance that we might qualify for Europe via the Fair Play League, even if Villa win the FA Cup?

 

Was on the FAPL website and the way they calculate points for qualification includes 'continuing to attack even when in a winning position' under 'Positive Play'. We did that yesterday!

 

3 places are available: assume for this illustration that Liverpool & Man City qualify via PL. West Ham seem obvious 1st choice. Everton & Burnley next 2, but we're not far behind.

This weekend's points not included yet.

 

 

FAIR PLAY TABLE

Season 2014/15

POS CLUB P R/Y P/P R/O R/R B/O PTS SCORE AVG

1 Liverpool 34 274 271 195 204 182 1126 281.5 8.3

2 West Ham 34 276 271 194 199 185 1125 281.25 8.3

3 Everton 34 276 262 198 196 183 1115 278.75 8.2

4 Man City 34 265 272 197 197 182 1113 278.25 8.2

5 Burnley 34 279 255 202 202 174 1112 278.0 8.2

6 Soton 34 280 264 189 196 182 1111 277.75 8.2

7 Man Utd 34 269 257 199 196 187 1108 277.0 8.1

8 Leicester 34 282 248 199 201 171 1101 275.25 8.1

9 Cr Palace 34 273 253 195 200 179 1100 275.0 8.1

10 Tottenham 34 260 271 191 195 179 1096 274.0 8.1

11 W Brom 34 271 243 194 201 186 1095 273.75 8.1

12 Swansea 34 279 249 191 196 179 1094 273.5 8.0

13 Arsenal 33 258 264 183 184 170 1059 264.75 8.0

14 Chelsea 34 268 270 193 188 171 1090 272.5 8.0

15 Q P R 34 265 246 190 197 185 1083 270.75 8.0

16 Newcastle 34 266 234 196 200 181 1077 269.25 8.0

17 Stoke City 34 266 248 183 187 171 1055 263.75 7.8

18 Hull City 34 255 236 187 190 180 1048 262.0 7.8

19 Aston Villa 34 254 234 185 189 185 1047 261.75 7.7

20 Sund'land 33 240 216 181 177 153 967 241.75 7.3

POS CLUB P R/Y P/P R/O R/R B/O PTS SCORE AVG

 

Three Fair Play places are available across UEFA, England has one of those. One place is available. West Ham are literally going through the motions and may well end up getting it by default... assuming Liverpool don't.

[The9]

Crikey just realised that even if we finish 7th and Arsenal win the cup we'd have to get through 2 lots of 2 legged ties to even get to the group stages. We could really do with a good result next weekend

 

You've JUST realised this? I've booked the draw date and the 3rd and Play Off round dates off work. Should be fine though, the list of clubs we could face at that stage is pretty mediocre so far.

 

Of course if we finish 6th, we're guaranteed at least going into the 3rd Qualfying Round and Arsenal winning the FA Cup is actually worth winning two rounds of Europa League qualifiers for Saints.

[Picard]

Three Fair Play places are available across UEFA, England has one of those. One place is available. West Ham are literally going through the motions and may well end up getting it by default... assuming Liverpool don't.

 

As a side note this is the last season Fair Play will qualify for Europa. Next season there will be financial incentives for Fair Play.

[Redslo]

As a side note this is the last season Fair Play will qualify for Europa. Next season there will be financial incentives for Fair Play.

 

Can you provide a link for this information? thank you.

[Picard]

Can you provide a link for this information? thank you.

 

http://www.uefa.org/social-responsibility/news/newsid=2210098.html

 

There you go.

[Redslo]

http://www.uefa.org/social-responsibility/news/newsid=2210098.html

 

There you go.

 

Thank you.

[5string]

Three Fair Play places are available across UEFA, England has one of those. One place is available. West Ham are literally going through the motions and may well end up getting it by default... assuming Liverpool don't.

 

Ah. My understanding was that the PL would get 3 places. Didn't realise the 3 were across Europe.

 

We'll just have to beat Man City, then!

[Nolan]

Team that qualifies via Fair Play plays their first Qualification on July 9th.

Team that qualfies via the lowest qualifying spot in the league plays their 3rd Qualification Round match on the 30th July

Team that qualifies via the 2nd lowest league spot plays a play off on the 20th August.

If Villa win the cup, their first match would be in the group stages on 17th sept. If Arsenal win the FA Cup the 5th place teams first game is this day.

[Lets B Avenue]

Team that qualifies via Fair Play plays their first Qualification on July 9th. - Correct

Team that qualfies via the lowest qualifying spot in the league plays their 3rd Qualification Round match on the 30th July - Correct

Team that qualifies via the 2nd lowest league spot plays a play off on the 20th August. - Wrong

If Villa win the cup, their first match would be in the group stages on 17th sept. - Correct

If Arsenal win the FA Cup the 5th place teams first game is this day. - Half wrong

 

Irrespective of who wins the Cup, Spurs are going straight into the Group stage. Liverpool will join them if Arsenal win next week. No one starts in the play off round on 20th Aug. That is the 29 winners of the 3rd qualifying round and 15 losers of the Champions League 3rd qualifying round.

[Batman]

if arsenal win the cup

how many qualifiers will we have to play to get a spot in the groups?

[S-Clarke]

if arsenal win the cup

how many qualifiers will we have to play to get a spot in the groups?

 

Potentially two ties.

 

One 2 legged third round qualifier, which is at the end of July, and if we get through that then another 2 legged play off (Mid-august) to see who gets into the Group stages. The 2 legged play off is contested against the winners from the third round and the teams kicked out of the CL qualifiers.