Smirking_Saint Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 What a monumental cluster**** this has turned out to be http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/31975274 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 What a monumental cluster**** this has turned out to be Especially if they're moving it forward 2 years as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 [h=2]WORLD CUP 2020 final - Dec 18th 2020[/h]What a monumental cluster**** this has turned out to be 18 months earlier than the originally planned Summer 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2015 Especially if they're moving it forward 2 years as well. Mods, can you change the title please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 Completely clueless. Laughable really. fifa are pretty bad also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 Any way it will be like domestic rugby during the WC and 6 nations, second raters everywhere and Notts County will probably top the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 19 March, 2015 As much as it is completely mental. And god knowshow the European nations will react. It may be quite nice to watch the world cup with a mulled cider......... But then thinking about it, no, its not going to work is it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 The European Leagues simply have to refuse to sign new agreements with FIFA on the release of players for international duty and that would stop this from happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 well for this world cup, the excuse of players being tired wont hold any weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 (edited) well for this world cup, the excuse of players being tired wont hold any weight Well, and this is direct from FA's plan for English football: We said - We aim to reach semi final of 2018 World Cup - WIN the 2022 WORLD CUP. Never happening in a million years ahaha As for this whole debate- hopefully we'll still be in the Prem for starters! Absolute farcical of the whole thing... I do wonder how European leagues will react, this will muck up football for at least 2 seasons. Edited 19 March, 2015 by nta786 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 I do think some countries need to stick up to this to be honest. It could set a precedent that the tournament can be played at anytime Fifa feel like playing it. England has had it's leagues running since 1888 and it shouldn't change just because a few guys in suits say we should change it. I think a lot of people (myself included) actually prefer to watch domestic football over international football. While I think boycotting it would not be a good idea it would send a bit of a statement for us to send over an under age side rather than the full senior team. Kind of like the Olympics team. The only way Fifa will stand up and take note is if the superstars of football are not there. If the prestige of the tournament is lowered that would hurt them more in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 Laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 Hopefully the big clubs in Europe will stand up to Fifa and stop this happening. At the end of the day they pay the wages so they hold the power. Surely there is a case for claiming quatar won the bid under false pretences? Their plan that won was to hold it in summer using air conditioned stadiums, that was obviously complete bullsh!t. The whole thing is so f*cking corrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 I'd rather we didn't enter it out of principal. It's a total farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 I am not sure that this is over. Would UEFA countries ever withdraw from the WC in a coup against FIFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 As much as it is completely mental. And god knowshow the European nations will react. It may be quite nice to watch the world cup with a mulled cider......... But then thinking about it, no, its not going to work is it ? Not really, no. I am surprised FIFA's commercial partners haven't kicked off more. There will be a genuine economic impact in some sectors because of this. Retailers, and big brands in beer, crisps, chocolate and home entertainment do pretty well at Christmas anyway, the big football tournaments are a handy second Christmas every two years. Same is true of the pub trade. Genuinely this will balls up some business plans by effectively bundling everything up together. Will also impact commercial broadcasters as well, who will suffer a bit with Xmas ads/traditional football advertising crammed into the same time frame, leaving a bit of a barren summer. So lots of rich stakeholders (brands/broadcasters) impacted, I would have thought they would have objected more than they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 It will clash with the X-Factor Final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 So this now means the Euros and the World Cup six months apart. How can the season start early if the Euros are on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 Are they trying to ruin Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 Let's be honest, it was an utter joke when Qatar and Russia were chosen as host nations. The Russians at least do have a footballing history, and weren't asking to turn the footballing world upside down just to host the tournament. Did money change hands, or perhaps other deals done? Almost certainly, but that's what FIFA is all about these days. Hopefully, the Qatar thing will be a catalyst for some serious reform of FIFA. I don't like to see the precedent to be set, really. It'll give them ideas about disrupting the winter break on a more regular basis for international tournaments, something which might actually be a good idea if it wasn't for the bastards standing to profit. FIFA; a licence to print money and a law unto themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 If the Fifa president somehow changes hands in the next election do they have any sway over this? Not that it will, if Fifa was a country the UN would be treating it like they are Russia atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 Are they trying to ruin Christmas? Grinch cup final 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 March, 2015 Share Posted 19 March, 2015 As much as it is completely mental. And god knowshow the European nations will react. It may be quite nice to watch the world cup with a mulled cider......... But then thinking about it, no, its not going to work is it ? Living in Weymouth, the idea of not being able to stand on the harbourside with a pint in a shirt and shades whilst watching England embarrass us all is just weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire Saint Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Hopefully Reed, JWP, Turnbull, Targett, Seagar and Slattery will be back for the Christmas games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Would love to see the "big" Euro-nations get together and make a stand. No fuss, accept it, enter as normal but all "accidentally" lose their qualifying fixtures. FIFA would be left with a finals full of the likes of Estonia, Malta, Luxembourg and Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 The World Cup is arguably the biggest sporting competition in the world. This is a total shambles and as has been said before, we can only hope that the various countries stand up against this. In the immortal words of Harry Enfield, Oi, Blatter, No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Plenty of time for everything to change again before 2022, 7 years is a long time in a troubled zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Are they trying to ruin Christmas? They should make it January. January is v.boring month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Hopefully Reed, JWP, Turnbull, Targett, Seagar and Slattery will be back for the Christmas games. They will have rejoined their clubs, Arsenal, Manu, Liverpool and City well before our players get back having reached the latter stages with their own countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurichboy Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Completely clueless. Laughable really. fifa are pretty bad also And will remain so until Fat Blätter is gone...he is so desperate to remain in power that I am beginning to think that the only way to move him out will be in a box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 So this now means the Euros and the World Cup six months apart. How can the season start early if the Euros are on? Er, your maths is awful. Though not aided by the thread title still being wrong I suspect. I think it's a stupid idea and there's no way the various leagues should stand for it, but by November 2022 I'll be all over it as awesome. And watching Prem football all through July 2022 (or maybe June 2023) should be a bunch of fun too. All they'll do is write off November and most of December and stick it either end of the season - every European country which has a mid-season break anyway will just shunt that forward a month. Not sure about the 28 day model (and at least that means they're not expanding past 32 teams before then), though on the off-chance I consider going pretty much all the locations are guaranteed to be within 150 miles of each other, seeing as that's the length of the country (which is also about 50 miles wide). So getting between games won't be difficult - especially as they're not exactly spreading the matches around what is already a pretty small place. So in summary - Qatar generally bad idea, winter World Cup, incredibly stupid, practicalities of going and/or watching World Cup in Nov/Dec, could actually be a laugh. Summer 2022 is going to seem weirdly empty though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Actually just had a look at the proposed locations and there's nothing in the West or the South of the country (presumably desert) so the furthest apart grounds from the 12 proposed locations are only 80 miles away from each other. 4 of them are in Doha alone, not bad for a City with under 800,000 people living there (is now the time to mention it's also against FIFA's rules to have more than two stadiums in the same city for a tournament?). Then again, 9 of the 12 stadiums don't exist at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 The World Cup is arguably the biggest sporting competition in the world. This is a total shambles and as has been said before, we can only hope that the various countries stand up against this. In the immortal words of Harry Enfield, Oi, Blatter, No! No one will have the balls to do anything. Fifa act like this because they know they can and get away with it. I blame the countries as much as fifa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 No one will have the balls to do anything. Fifa act like this because they know they can and get away with it. I blame the countries as much as fifa. Given that anyone who does anything will immediately be banned from FIFA and have to set up their own organisation to run their unaffiliated competitions, won't be able to use trained referees, all players will most likely be banned for life from FIFA competitions etc., you can see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Why not give something new a try? Are people that scared of and adverse to change? England haven't got close to looking like potential winners since 1990 so maybe this will be an opportunity to try a different approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Given that anyone who does anything will immediately be banned from FIFA and have to set up their own organisation to run their unaffiliated competitions, won't be able to use trained referees, all players will most likely be banned for life from FIFA competitions etc., you can see why. Which is why it needs to be a joint, unified effort. The various nations involved need to realise FIFA have more to lose here. People don't watch FIFA tournaments so they can look at the lovely pretty FIFA logos, they do it to watch the greatest teams from around the world. Given the choice of watching Italy against Brazil in an unaffiliated tournament, or a World Cup final between Qatar and Malta, which would you go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 They should make it January. January is v.boring month [emoji106] Move Christmas to January? Would go down better than moving the WC to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorne Malvo Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Summer WC finals...I'm happy for this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Which is why it needs to be a joint, unified effort. The various nations involved need to realise FIFA have more to lose here. People don't watch FIFA tournaments so they can look at the lovely pretty FIFA logos, they do it to watch the greatest teams from around the world. Given the choice of watching Italy against Brazil in an unaffiliated tournament, or a World Cup final between Qatar and Malta, which would you go for? It still won't happen. I wish it would but it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Which is why it needs to be a joint, unified effort. The various nations involved need to realise FIFA have more to lose here. People don't watch FIFA tournaments so they can look at the lovely pretty FIFA logos, they do it to watch the greatest teams from around the world. Given the choice of watching Italy against Brazil in an unaffiliated tournament, or a World Cup final between Qatar and Malta, which would you go for? But the Italian and Brazilian FAs don't appear to have a problem with it, so it's a moot point? Italy has a midseason break anyway, albeit a little later than the scheduled dates, Brazil has made so many changes to it's league structures with Apertura/Clausura, league size, relegation rules, Libertadores and Intercontinental Cup interventions and the general randomness that another tweak won't made any difference, and none of the trough-feeders are going to go against an organisation with potential patronage of £1bn, any amount of which they might chuck their way at any point just for going along with things. However, if we're talking about practicalities of a breakaway, the easiest way to do anything would be for UEFA en masse to leave FIFA. Various litigation would ensue with non-European players with contracts at UEFA Clubs who want to represent their country, but that's the main impact and the litigation would be aimed at FIFA for any national ban in FIFA contests for players playing in UEFA-sanctioned games. The elephant in the room is Platini's ambition, does he want to ascend from UEFA to FIFA or challenge FIFA as head of UEFA? The weird "odd seasons" International team League competition he's starting instead of friendlies is a pointer, but to what end does it exist? Presumably only to strengthen UEFA's international money making ability and maximise revenue from nations - but it's still affiliated to FIFA as required by their statutes at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 Why not give something new a try? Are people that scared of and adverse to change? England haven't got close to looking like potential winners since 1990 so maybe this will be an opportunity to try a different approach. There's a reason it hasn't been tried before. That's because it's such a stupid idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 F*ck FIFA, and f*ck the 2022 Bribery Cup. Phil Neville, employed by Al-Jazeera TV thinks it's a good idea though. What an absolute c*nt. Greg Dyke, grow a pair and tell FIFA we don't want to know. Once one country makes a stand, others will follow. Probably not France though, as the whole country, and Platini, seemed to be owned by Qatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 20 March, 2015 Share Posted 20 March, 2015 UEFA won't do anything. This is a world cup about money. The only way to change anything is to disrupt the money flow. If fans want to unite globally and contact FIFA sponsors such as adidas/nike, McD's, Coca-Cola, Visa etc and make it known that their association with the 2022 Qatar world cup will have a negative impact on their business, then pressure will mount on FIFA. Similarly the TV companies. Can't see it happening though. Personally, I have no problem with the World Cup being moved for the right country with a strong footballing heritage. Qatar is not the right country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andoru Posted 21 March, 2015 Share Posted 21 March, 2015 I don't support the decision to give Qatar the World Cup in the first place, but now it's done now and it's not going to change no matter how much people moan, so FIFA needs to do what it can. Frankly, the health of players, officials and spectators trumps any inconvenience to the European leagues. It's not as if this decision has come from nowhere. They've been warned for months this kind of thing could happen, and they still have years to plan around it. They'll figure it out. Anyone still annoyed with the decision needs to get past it, and realise that protecting people is more important than a bit of scheduling hassle because, not to sound melodramatic here, but we're talking about human lives being at risk if the tournament is played in summer. I don't want anyone dropping dead from heatstroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 21 March, 2015 Share Posted 21 March, 2015 Not really, no. I am surprised FIFA's commercial partners haven't kicked off more. There will be a genuine economic impact in some sectors because of this. Retailers, and big brands in beer, crisps, chocolate and home entertainment do pretty well at Christmas anyway, the big football tournaments are a handy second Christmas every two years. Same is true of the pub trade. Genuinely this will balls up some business plans by effectively bundling everything up together. Will also impact commercial broadcasters as well, who will suffer a bit with Xmas ads/traditional football advertising crammed into the same time frame, leaving a bit of a barren summer. So lots of rich stakeholders (brands/broadcasters) impacted, I would have thought they would have objected more than they have. Damn good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 21 March, 2015 Share Posted 21 March, 2015 There's a reason it hasn't been tried before. That's because it's such a stupid idea. Not really, its a very sensible idea considering the country they have awarded the tournament to, awarding them the tournament in the first place is very questionable though. It's OK Grandad don't be so scared of change and you may see England do well in a tournament and go close to a repeat of 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 21 March, 2015 Share Posted 21 March, 2015 If Blatter loses the next election I doubt it'll go ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chestersaint Posted 21 March, 2015 Share Posted 21 March, 2015 I don't support the decision to give Qatar the World Cup in the first place, but now it's done now and it's not going to change no matter how much people moan, so FIFA needs to do what it can. Frankly, the health of players, officials and spectators trumps any inconvenience to the European leagues. It's not as if this decision has come from nowhere. They've been warned for months this kind of thing could happen, and they still have years to plan around it. They'll figure it out. Anyone still annoyed with the decision needs to get past it, and realise that protecting people is more important than a bit of scheduling hassle because, not to sound melodramatic here, but we're talking about human lives being at risk if the tournament is played in summer. I don't want anyone dropping dead from heatstroke. Whilst I agree with your points on the health and welfare of players, you talk as if we can only focus on one point or the other. We simply cannot move on every time a decision is made irrespective of the morality of the decision. If we all had the attitude of stop moaning, nothing will change, the world would be a much different place. I don't have the answers as to what to do but it is absolutely vital that every avenue is explored to turn FIFA upside down over this and expose them and that poison dwarf and force it to reform or shut down. It may mean a certain amount of pain in the short term (omission from tournaments etc) but the long term picture would only improve. If anyone thinks FIFA will not court further controversy further down the road if they get away with this debacle; they are sadly mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 21 March, 2015 Share Posted 21 March, 2015 Here's another slight problem. 80% + of the Population of all GCC Countries (inc Qatar) are expats. Twice a year they ALL try and fly home at the same time - First week of the School Summer Vacations, and yes of course, the first day of the Christmas Vacation. So much so that between the 18th & 20th of December every year ALL the airlines here run at close to 100% seat occupancy. Which in plain English means ANYONE wanting to actually go to the WC final who is NOT in VIP Corporate will either be paying 2 grand+ for a flight OR will be stuck in the Sandpit until Christmas Eve. I honestly have NO idea why they are bothering to build stadiums. Won't be any Football fans in them apart from the Locals who didn't even bother to sell out Brazil v England a few years ago. (Oh and the hotels they are building are all 5 Star. No hotel reservation? No Visa on Arrival. Visa on arrival cost? 20 quid. Room for the night? 500 quid) It will be the first true 100% Prawn Sandwich WC and the end of the Fans' WC's. The likes of the Aussie Saints ain't going to be doing the "tour the country in a beaten up old van staying in hostels" gig. Qatar will end up allocating seats and coloured shirts to the poor Labourers as part of their "Improve Quality of Life" Initiative, there'll be 3,000 Nepalese in German Football shirts wondering wtf is going on and DJ's telling them when to cheer and clap. Meanwhile, the TV Analysts and Presenters will ALL be telling you how brilliant it will be. For one weekend appearance JUST for a boring EPL round of matches they get paid more than US$10,000 for 3 days work, 5 Star Hotel all expenses paid, Business Class Flights with Limo transfers, a "Marketing Luvvie MBA Intern" to help get them around town and to the Studio on time (and sober) - (usually aged approx 24 years old & invariably blonde) and of course they get to play Golf with Richard Keys & Andy Gray all week.(Keys is developing the Golfers Suntan - Orange cheeks & white forehead!) If ANYONE thinks that ANY TV Pundit will do ANYTHING to put 4 WEEKS of that type of Gravy Train on the line PLUS all the Warm-Up shows........... You'll get the same from every Football Journo as well in the run up. Qatar paid for full expenses & Business Class tickets for approx 500 Journos to attend the World Handball Championships. It's not Censorship of course and certainly not bribery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 24 March, 2015 Share Posted 24 March, 2015 Premiership football in the summer, something on the TV over Xmas, every cloud and all that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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