Marsdinho Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Personally, I'd be playing JWP more and Davis less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Slight word of caution never get too excited about the England under 21's David Prutton was regularly captain in his 25 appearances and look how that turned out! Still think JWP is quality and will go on to be a top draw player, I'm not sure he will ever be in the world class bracket but he will be a very good premier league midfielder and almost certainly rack up a few England caps along the way. This thread is yet another illustration of the stupidity of the average football fan, we are having our most successful season in 30 years and still people choose to ***** and moan rather than enjoying it! We are lucky enough to have the England under 21's captain in our midfield and just because he isn't Zidane like every week some fans feel the urge to slate him and basically write his career off. It's a bit like listening to talk sport most of the callers should be put out of their misery to improve the gene pool the same is probably true for half the fans in any football stadium or internet forum. You don't sound the sharpest tool in the box either, pal. Just as silly as writing off JWP has been the tendency to hype him to the hills (last season, on some accounts, he deserved to go to Brazil, that is, until he lost his form/place in the team). Arguably much of the scepticism has been in reaction to the hype; the claim is not that he's a bad player or going to sink like a stone like other youngsters this place has creamed itself over in the past. But hey don't let fact get in the way of your nice, little yarn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 (edited) You don't sound the sharpest tool in the box either, pal. Just as silly as writing off JWP has been the tendency to hype him to the hills (last season, on some accounts, he deserved to go to Brazil, that is, until he lost his form/place in the team). Arguably much of the scepticism has been in reaction to the hype; the claim is not that he's a bad player or going to sink like a stone like other youngsters this place has creamed itself over in the past. But hey don't let fact get in the way of your nice, little yarn. Lol, that's simply not the case also note I didn't hype him up to the enth degree. If you read this thread a number of posters are basically saying he is rubbish which he clearly isn't and if you read this or any other football board on a regular basis you will find it full of people who clearly don't understand football! This Forum always has a player that is rubbish, normally a good player going through a bad patch or a decent player who isn't ever going to be Messi. PS have you ever phoned Talksport? ;-) Edited 31 March, 2015 by a1ex2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Personally, I'd be playing JWP more and Davis less. Thank goodness you are not the Manager. Did you see the game against Burnley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Personally, I'd be playing JWP more and Davis less. No thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 It's a bit like listening to talk sport most of the callers should be put out of their misery to improve the gene pool the same is probably true for half the fans in any football stadium or internet forum. In which half would you see yourself? Just because you cannot deal with rational views on the current ability of a player that do not match your apparently uneducated view from behind your rose-tinted spectacles does not mean that you should promote the idea of genocide for those you do not agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 You don't sound the sharpest tool in the box either, pal. Just as silly as writing off JWP has been the tendency to hype him to the hills (last season, on some accounts, he deserved to go to Brazil, that is, until he lost his form/place in the team). Arguably much of the scepticism has been in reaction to the hype; the claim is not that he's a bad player or going to sink like a stone like other youngsters this place has creamed itself over in the past. But hey don't let fact get in the way of your nice, little yarn. But I don't think anyone on here has hyped to the hills. It's usually the England manager and the media who do that. I think at most people on here see his potential and are wanting to counter those that write him off so quickly. I like the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 I've got £20 on JWP smashing the balloon door by 2020. Easily the best player I have ever seen live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 I've got £20 on JWP smashing the balloon door by 2020. Easily the best player I have ever seen live. Are you Roy Hogson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Stop hating, Coxford_Lou. Fed up with ppl saying JWP is not the best player of all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Stop hating, Coxford_Lou. Fed up with ppl saying JWP is not the best player of all time Quit trolling Sherlock, you'll get banned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 I've got £20 on JWP smashing the balloon door by 2020. Easily the best player I have ever seen live. Well he's too polite to be smashing any other type of door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 shut up autsaint JWP can easily smash in any doors you care to mention, no matter how tight or well-protected. Stop mugging him off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Stop hating, Coxford_Lou. Fed up with ppl saying JWP is not the best player of all time Perhaps not but the most tactically aware player at the club, an emerging hybrid of Paul Scholes and David Beckham and a future England captain will do nicely instead. In other words, tempered expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Yes definitely agree JWP is better than Scholes and Beckham put together. Wouldn't surprise me if he even goes on to captain Brazil and Spain, as well as England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Not to mention, destined to become the Millennials version of Seb Coe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Even tho they were agreeing on every point, the Bear began to suspect, that Shurlock was reverse trolling him. Still, he reassured himself, that should JWP ever go on to win an Olympic Gold Medal for middle-distance track, they would both look like Geniuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 Midfield players are not the best defenders or goalscorers in the team. They sometimes shoot and sometimes tackle, run around a lot and mostly give short easy passes to players better placed than themselves. Occasionally they produce a defence splitting pass that leads to a goal and that is how they are usually judged by the public. Where as if a forward shoots narrowly wide or has a shot saved it is a good effort if a midfield player's pass is slightly off so that the ball is intercepted or goes out of play then he is a bad player. We once had a midfielder called Matt Oakley.Nobody thought he was that good but he stayed in the team and people ignored him and almost forgot he was there. Then one day the manager WGS said he was the best midfield player in the league (or words to that effect). We said - is he? we didn't know. So we looked and saw that yes, he was quite good, his experience meant that he knew when and where to run, pass, tackle and shoot and he helped knit the team together. I'm sure the same will be true of JWP and experience will make him much better top class player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 March, 2015 Share Posted 31 March, 2015 (edited) Why would one game matter? Opening day JWP was superb and Davis poor. I like both. Not sure why we focus on what Davis can do and focus on what JWP can't. Both are poor in terms of goal threat, JWP has more time to change that. Davis is a great team player but getting older so if JWP can replace him and surpass him we're doing very well. JWP is perfect for us at the moment, he has good potential, but probably only potential to be a good team player in a top 8 side. He's not going to be a world beater, he's not an individual like Walcott or Bale, so we have every chance of keeping him long term. At the age of 20 he is already a good team player for a top 6 side. Not many 20 year olds have played in 67 Premier League games, Lallana and Schneiderlin at the same age were in League One! He's been captaining England under 21's and was voted 3rd best player at the Toulan tournament, he is a lot better than many Saints fans give him credit for. Edited 31 March, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 At the age of 20 he is already a good team player for a top 6 side. Not many 20 year olds have played in 67 Premier League games, Lallana and Schneiderlin at the same age were in League One! He's been captaining England under 21's and was voted 3rd best player at the Toulan tournament, he is a lot better than many Saints fans give him credit for. just this months whipping boy!!!..........progress.......... at least the season long whipping boy has disappeared from the Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 do you need to be a "world beater" to play for England then? I don't think JWP is ready for the full England squad right now, but i'd have certainly had him in the side last night ahead of Jones and Delph, no question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Maybe JWP is a late bloomer but isn't he about the same age as Kane, Sterling, Shaw and Barkley all who look streaks ahead of him in terms of their footballing careers. Watching the game last night the difference between JWP and Ross Barkley is quite pronounced for two players who play a similar position. I think JWP is quite good technically but he needs to be far more physical and make better decisions on the pitch to real push on to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repat Saint Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 Maybe JWP is a late bloomer but isn't he about the same age as Kane, Sterling, Shaw and Barkley all who look streaks ahead of him in terms of their footballing careers. Watching the game last night the difference between JWP and Ross Barkley is quite pronounced for two players who play a similar position. I think JWP is quite good technically but he needs to be far more physical and make better decisions on the pitch to real push on to the next level. I've been to a couple of Everton games with a mate and Barkley has his moments when he rolls a man or does something, but he also drifts a lot through games, gives the ball away needlessly and often dangerously, and makes bad decisions. I think JWP is progressing fine - look at Morgan 5 years ago and people slagged him off loads too. Central midfielders usually take longer to develop as it's a position with a lot more responsibility - you have to balance retaining possession with risk taking, and also dictate the tempo of the game. He ain't a world beater yet, but it's too soon to junk him. Kane has been on loan all over the place and only went up a level this season - before this, would you have wanted him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 1 April, 2015 Share Posted 1 April, 2015 I agree with Repat post Except the bit about Kane, cos I always said he would be v.good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 2 April, 2015 Share Posted 2 April, 2015 Maybe JWP is a late bloomer but isn't he about the same age as Kane, Sterling, Shaw and Barkley all who look streaks ahead of him in terms of their footballing careers. Watching the game last night the difference between JWP and Ross Barkley is quite pronounced for two players who play a similar position. I think JWP is quite good technically but he needs to be far more physical and make better decisions on the pitch to real push on to the next level. I think he's a couple or years older than Shaw, but then he's a couple of years younger than Mason. Everybody seems to now be arguing that he's quite good, could be better, might get better, will never be world class but could be worse. Personally I don't think there's much between him and Davis (who has been poor in recent games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 2 April, 2015 Share Posted 2 April, 2015 I think he's a couple or years older than Shaw, but then he's a couple of years younger than Mason. Everybody seems to now be arguing that he's quite good, could be better, might get better, will never be world class but could be worse. Personally I don't think there's much between him and Davis (who has been poor in recent games). I thought Davis played well against Burnley. Although we wasn't great recently in games before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 2 April, 2015 Share Posted 2 April, 2015 The thing I find most perplexing about this "debate" concerning JWP - is he a star in the making or a bit of a plodder, is the amount of coverage, comment and opinion the young man attracts compared to someone like our own Harry Reed. My own assessment is that Reed has the attributes and qualities already to convince me he will go further in the game than Prowsey, (just like I thought Chambers would a couple of years back). By the way, that was a very well taken goal by JWP for England 21's during the week. Let's hope he goes on a run of goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 2 April, 2015 Share Posted 2 April, 2015 My own assessment is that Reed has the attributes and qualities already to convince me he will go further in the game than Prowsey i don't see it. I think i.e. the opposite. Who will prove to be the most talented Scout, Autsaint, or Bearsy? Tune back here yr 2030, and put yo medals on the table! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 2 April, 2015 Share Posted 2 April, 2015 i don't see it. I think i.e. the opposite. Who will prove to be the most talented Scout, Autsaint, or Bearsy? Tune back here yr 2030, and put yo medals on the table! Fair enough. One of us is going to look like a bit of a goose, yet I'm sure you don't think the gingernut is a mug player, nor do I see the Prowse lad as a complete plodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 2 April, 2015 Share Posted 2 April, 2015 Slight word of caution never get too excited about the England under 21's David Prutton was regularly captain in his 25 appearances and look how that turned out can we ever forget that?.... but I think JWP has a much better disciplinary record that that. So far this season, he has started / been subbed in ...21 Saints' games ...with no cards all. (Now someone will say he's too weak and midfielders should get "stuck in " regularly, and expect cards.!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 April, 2015 Share Posted 2 April, 2015 can we ever forget that?.... but I think JWP has a much better disciplinary record that that. So far this season, he has started / been subbed in ...21 Saints' games ...with no cards all. (Now someone will say he's too weak and midfielders should get "stuck in " regularly, and expect cards.!) He's too weak and midfielders should get "stuck in " regularly, and expect cards. To get a card he'd probably have to actually tackle somebody..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 2 April, 2015 Share Posted 2 April, 2015 To get a card he'd probably have to actually tackle somebody..... Or score, so he can take his shirt off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 2 April, 2015 Share Posted 2 April, 2015 I think he's a couple or years older than Shaw, but then he's a couple of years younger than Mason. Everybody seems to now be arguing that he's quite good, could be better, might get better, will never be world class but could be worse. and Davis (who has been poor in recent games). It's an effing wind up mate right or don't you understand football at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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