Ward prowse

[Lallana's Left Peg]

JWP needs a set position and more of an identity to his game. He has the tools (technique and intelligence) to do it. I am confident he will. For now we should be happy this is another good young player happy to commit his future to Saints and understand that players develop at different speeds and not always at the same rate as well.

 

When you see him play for the U21's he stands out as a very very good player - have some patience. That said, its the crunch time of the season and maybe time we do whatever it takes to see if the Top 4 is attainable.

[whelk]

To be fair though Whelk, there is a big difference between commenting on someone being out of form or not playing well, and another about labelling them as cr@p.

 

I haven't read anything too bad but may have missed it. I just think people are desperate for JWP to be a success and don't think we have seen enough to get too excited yet. Seems a smashing lad though and hope he does well

[saint_stevo]

JWP needs a set position and more of an identity to his game. He has the tools (technique and intelligence) to do it. I am confident he will. For now we should be happy this is another good young player happy to commit his future to Saints and understand that players develop at different speeds and not always at the same rate as well.

 

When you see him play for the U21's he stands out as a very very good player - have some patience. That said, its the crunch time of the season and maybe time we do whatever it takes to see if the Top 4 is attainable.

 

U21's? So that's L1/L2 standard?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

U21's? So that's L1/L2 standard?

 

Sorry - I should have made it clear - England U21's.

[VectisSaint]

 

When you see him play for the U21's he stands out as a very very good player - have some patience. That said, its the crunch time of the season and maybe time we do whatever it takes to see if the Top 4 is attainable.

To be fair he hasn't played for the England u21s since September against Lithuania "when he [Kane] nodded in James Ward-Prowse's sumptuous cross.". Of course he can't feature if there are no games or he is injured, but saying how good he is based on his u21 performances is part of the problem, people are making their judgements based on how he played a long time ago. He certainly does not become a bad player overnight, but in recent games since he came back from injury he has been shown to be slow, unable to tackle, poor at decision making in defensive positions, unable to shoot and his dead ball deliveries which were much lauded (rightly so) at one stage have become average at best or poor if you want to be honest. I think JWP needs another pre-season to get back to full fitness and perhaps to bulk up a bit, the evidence at the moment is that he is not the player he was last season or even the one before. I don't think that is down to the Koeman formation either, it is simply down to him not being able to do the things necessary at the moment to be anything more than an average AM player.

[VectisSaint]

 

And did he honestly get an assist Vs Palace? I don't really think a scuffed shot straight at the keeper is an assist.

Still counts as an assist, even though his shot was awful, and that's why whenever people quote stats about assists you should treat them (the stats) with the contempt they deserve.

[VectisSaint]

And for those asking what he's contributed lately. He set up the winner against Palace last match and made a goal line clearance today, both matches he came on as a late substitute.

Did he make a goal line clearance yesterday? Replays on Sky suggested (and pundits said) that it came back off of Ivanovic. Having watched the highlights again today it is very difficult to tell, but my money is still on Ivanovic from what I can see - if it did come back off JWP then fair play, he was on the near post so he was doing that job effectively. I also don't really think he came on yesterday as a "late substitute", he played 24 minutes (came on at 71 and there were 5 minutes extra played. i would call pelle a late sub, but I guess it is a question of semantics.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

To be fair he hasn't played for the England u21s since September against Lithuania "when he [Kane] nodded in James Ward-Prowse's sumptuous cross.". Of course he can't feature if there are no games or he is injured, but saying how good he is based on his u21 performances is part of the problem, people are making their judgements based on how he played a long time ago. He certainly does not become a bad player overnight, but in recent games since he came back from injury he has been shown to be slow, unable to tackle, poor at decision making in defensive positions, unable to shoot and his dead ball deliveries which were much lauded (rightly so) at one stage have become average at best or poor if you want to be honest. I think JWP needs another pre-season to get back to full fitness and perhaps to bulk up a bit, the evidence at the moment is that he is not the player he was last season or even the one before. I don't think that is down to the Koeman formation either, it is simply down to him not being able to do the things necessary at the moment to be anything more than an average AM player.

 

He won't have much of a pre-season though as he'll be an integral part of a side representing the best English players under 21 at the European Championships this summer. His form isn't great but he has plenty of quality.

[Super_Uwe]

JWP needs a set position and more of an identity to his game. He has the tools (technique and intelligence) to do it. I am confident he will. For now we should be happy this is another good young player happy to commit his future to Saints and understand that players develop at different speeds and not always at the same rate as well.

 

When you see him play for the U21's he stands out as a very very good player - have some patience. That said, its the crunch time of the season and maybe time we do whatever it takes to see if the Top 4 is attainable.

 

Quite right. He's 20 years old and has also had to deal with a serious albeit not a career-threatening injury this season. It's not been perfect for him this year by any means.

 

The impression you get with him is that he's got his head screwed on. I don't know who it was, but there was an interview not so long ago saying how switched on he was even as a young kid, compared to Luke Shaw I think.

 

I think with time and the desire on his part to stay and improve, he'll be a really top player for us.

[Restark19]

we get the point, you don't rate him. We don't need monthly updates.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?53309-Ward-prowse#.VQcCU8Yb7ww

[Donatello]

I must concede, on several occasions yesterday I was screaming at Ward-Prowse (well, at the TV) to show some purpose (with regards to his defensive duties). Reference his passing ability, I recall him being praised last season (or the season before?) for his ability to splay long passes accurately. Less so this season, admittedly, and I think that's due to his being played in a more advanced position, coupled with his ponderous nature on the ball. Ultimately, he's too defensively naive at present to play DM/CM, and not creative enough to play AM. I like him though, and contrary to popular opinion on here, I think he possesses an innate ability to strike the ball cleanly. With time, he could conceivably develop into a central midfielder with a long-distance goal threat - something we've not had in yonks.

[beatlesaint]

This is like a yearly thing. Have a look at the posts from previous years at around the same time and you'll see the same thing.

 

He starts the seasons well, gets a place in the side and keeps it. He gets a few knocks and niggles around Christmas time, gets back but then struggles to get to grips with the game and plays with a bit of tiredness. He then looses his place in the team and everyone says he's not good enough.

 

Technically he is fine, he's not an awful player and he hasn't had a horror year what so ever. But when the going gets tough and the games ramp up, he struggles. He needs to bulk himself up a bit, show a bit more desire to snap into tackles. He's a little too weak.

 

But it does seem odd that we must always have someone to criticise. We're 6th in the league, if I'm honest I don't think any of our players deserve criticising to be honest.

 

This is almost the same as Hoddle was saying about Fabregas before kick off yesterday. Starts well then goes off the boil. Difference is Fabregas is an established player, JWP is still young. I'm really hoping he comes through and becomes a really good player for us, but I do worry he won't. Oh and this dead ball specialist business, who took our worse free kick yesterday ? Yep near the end, great chance to put the ball in the box and it sails out behind the goal, JWP.

[St Marco]

Maybe all the talk of the big clubs wanting him is why he has gone of the boil? Oh wait....

[St Marco]

Ward-prowse is a very good premier league midfielder. People seem to have unrealistic expectations of what our players should be doing with regards to goals and assist. How many midfielders in the prem have got more assists than him who aren't first choice?

 

This is what I don't understand and seems to be a theme in this thread.

"He is a good premier league midfielder".

What is his position in midfield exactly? Is he a defensive midfielder? If so he has the lowest defence score amongst all our midfielders. In fact he has made so many mistakes that he is now -25 http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#english-barclays-premier-league|season-2014/2015#s'hampton#midfielder#16#39#0#0#90#16/08/2014#16/03/2015#season#1#all-matches#defense#desc#total

 

Is he an attacking midfielder? If so then he is 4th http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#english-barclays-premier-league|season-2014/2015#s'hampton#midfielder#16#39#0#0#90#16/08/2014#16/03/2015#season#1#all-matches#attack#desc#total ahead of him are those huge attacking midfielders Wanyama and soon to be Morgan.

 

In regards to his overall performance score he is 12th. http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#english-barclays-premier-league|season-2014/2015#s'hampton#all-player-positions#16#39#0#0#90#16/08/2014#16/03/2015#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#total

 

Before you say "He was injured, he didn't play" etc there are people around him who have played less games and have a higher score.

 

The fact is there is no one area JWP does better than anyone else in the squad. He is not a bad player and will improve but he is without a doubt in a position that we will need to strengthen on if we are to progress. You mentioned players such as Hazard etc which is just silly. They all have their positions and they all contribute to the team with goals and assists. JWP has not scored for us yet.

 

He is a nice lad and I am not writing him off. But he is not setting the world alight given the amount of games he has played. Yesterday we looked a much better team until he was brought on.

[petts]

He's only 20 and undoubtedly has skill. He will

Come good, but not sure where he fits into keomans current team, as not very pacey for a midfield wing place and not defensive enough\big engine for a central birth, maybe a creative number 10 role in the future?

[WealdSaint]

Getting a run out with a very strong U21 side tonight

[NickG]

This is what I don't understand and seems to be a theme in this thread.

"He is a good premier league midfielder".

What is his position in midfield exactly? Is he a defensive midfielder? If so he has the lowest defence score amongst all our midfielders. In fact he has made so many mistakes that he is now -25 http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#english-barclays-premier-league|season-2014/2015#s'hampton#midfielder#16#39#0#0#90#16/08/2014#16/03/2015#season#1#all-matches#defense#desc#total

 

Is he an attacking midfielder? If so then he is 4th http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#english-barclays-premier-league|season-2014/2015#s'hampton#midfielder#16#39#0#0#90#16/08/2014#16/03/2015#season#1#all-matches#attack#desc#total ahead of him are those huge attacking midfielders Wanyama and soon to be Morgan.

 

In regards to his overall performance score he is 12th. http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#english-barclays-premier-league|season-2014/2015#s'hampton#all-player-positions#16#39#0#0#90#16/08/2014#16/03/2015#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#total

 

Before you say "He was injured, he didn't play" etc there are people around him who have played less games and have a higher score.

 

The fact is there is no one area JWP does better than anyone else in the squad. He is not a bad player and will improve but he is without a doubt in a position that we will need to strengthen on if we are to progress. You mentioned players such as Hazard etc which is just silly. They all have their positions and they all contribute to the team with goals and assists. JWP has not scored for us yet.

 

He is a nice lad and I am not writing him off. But he is not setting the world alight given the amount of games he has played. Yesterday we looked a much better team until he was brought on.

 

Or you could use your same stat page, but look at performance per 90 to get over point you raise about injuries...

But that doesn't work for you as it puts him 3rd behind Mane and Tadic, with over double Steve Davis' rating.

Think your link proved how well he has done lol!

 

Possession, important stat...2nd to only Morgan.

 

Overall rating...

Ahead of Wanyama, Davis, Ellia, and Reid!

 

Lads doing very well, thanks for link!

[Wiggles31]

His role in the starting line up is a bit muddled. Does he play advanced or sit deep? When that role is clear he will blossom. Has all the right attributes to be a good player for us. Would love him to get a goal, would give him more confidence in his shooting.

 

It was always going to be to impact a game where Chelsea were in our final third for the last 30 minutes. I do feel his set piece taking has been lacking of late.

[Saint_clark]

He's having a horror season,

 

He has the same amount of assists as Hazard, more than Ozil, Lamela, Falcao, Coutinho, Rooney, twice as many as David Silva, Ander Herrera...

 

Horror season!

 

The fact is there is no one area JWP does better than anyone else in the squad. He is not a bad player and will improve but he is without a doubt in a position that we will need to strengthen on if we are to progress. You mentioned players such as Hazard etc which is just silly. They all have their positions and they all contribute to the team with goals and assists. JWP has not scored for us yet.

 

You dismiss me mentioning players like Hazard because they contribute goals and assists to the team and JWP doesn't, but I first mentioned players like Hazard because they had less assists than him. Hmmmm...

 

As for -

The fact is there is no one area JWP does better than anyone else in the squad

 

Well set-piece taking, for one.

But even ignoring that what a ridiculous thing to say. No squad in the world is full of players who are the best at one particular thing - there aren't enough attributes for a footballer for that to be the case!

[SFCRedandWhite]

Looks to me a bit like when Henderson first joined Liverpool. At first he looked pretty average - played simple A-B passes, lacked strength in the tackle and didn't offer many goals or assists. Took a few games without playing in Gerrard's shadow for him to make any progress and look at the player he's becoming. Ward-Prowse needs time and maybe he'll step up with the departure of Schneiderlin etc. Would also explains why he's so effective at under 21 level.

[SarniaSaint]

This is like a yearly thing. Have a look at the posts from previous years at around the same time and you'll see the same thing.

 

He starts the seasons well, gets a place in the side and keeps it. He gets a few knocks and niggles around Christmas time, gets back but then struggles to get to grips with the game and plays with a bit of tiredness. He then looses his place in the team and everyone says he's not good enough.

 

Technically he is fine, he's not an awful player and he hasn't had a horror year what so ever. But when the going gets tough and the games ramp up, he struggles. He needs to bulk himself up a bit, show a bit more desire to snap into tackles. He's a little too weak.

 

But it does seem odd that we must always have someone to criticise. We're 6th in the league, if I'm honest I don't think any of our players deserve criticising to be honest.

 

Has been going on for years...........I remember Jimmy Melia being the one and believe it or not Mick Channon when he was younger

[St Marco]

Or you could use your same stat page, but look at performance per 90 to get over point you raise about injuries...

But that doesn't work for you as it puts him 3rd behind Mane and Tadic, with over double Steve Davis' rating.

Think your link proved how well he has done lol!

 

Possession, important stat...2nd to only Morgan.

 

Overall rating...

Ahead of Wanyama, Davis, Ellia, and Reid!

 

Lads doing very well, thanks for link!

 

Not sure we are looking at the same stat as per 90 he isn't 3rd as you say, he is 5th? http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#english-barclays-premier-league|season-2014/2015#s'hampton#midfielder#16#39#0#0#90#16/08/2014#16/03/2015#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#90

 

He doesn't have double Davis' either... if you base it on the per game setting too you see he is 7th. With 2 players not even here anymore above him.

[St Marco]

Well set-piece taking, for one.

But even ignoring that what a ridiculous thing to say. No squad in the world is full of players who are the best at one particular thing - there aren't enough attributes for a footballer for that to be the case!

 

As with the other thread, he isn't good at set pieces. He has only 2 assists from set pieces and has scored none. Tadic is better than him and Toby looks better than him in free kick taking. JWP had one corner at the weekend and like with the vast majority of his deliveries they go way over everyones head and out for a throw/goal kick or straight to their keeper. To be considered good at something surely you have to actually show results from them?

 

I stand by what I said. Passing players who are better. Morgan, Wanyama, Bertrand, Clyne, Mane, Tadic. Players who are faster. Pretty much everyone. Defending. Everyone. Free kick taking Tadic, Morgan, Toby. Dribbling with the ball. Again everyone. Point being there is not one thing I would list JWP as being the best at in our squad. You may say that is ridiculous but I don't think it is.

[syd_barrett_saint]

I thought Hesketh looked promising before he got kicked off the pitch up at Burnley (disgusting revenge challenge for Hesketh going in a bit late on their keeper earlier in that game). Personally I'd love to see him given a chance before JWP, who, despite his assist record, doesn't offer enough in general play, and has gone downhill with his set pieces.

[NickG]

Not sure we are looking at the same stat as per 90 he isn't 3rd as you say, he is 5th? http://www.squawka.com/football-player-rankings#performance-score#player-stats#english-barclays-premier-league|season-2014/2015#s'hampton#midfielder#16#39#0#0#90#16/08/2014#16/03/2015#season#1#all-matches#total#desc#90

 

He doesn't have double Davis' either... if you base it on the per game setting too you see he is 7th. With 2 players not even here anymore above him.

 

I don't want to get bogged down on this website's stats as not the best way to judge a player, and I am not sure what they are based on. It just seems a strange thing to choose to beat him up with, when he actually comes out well. Clearly the best guage is per 90 mins played, as cancels out issues of injury, short sub appearances etc.

Also I ignored two players, Cork and Ramierez as their stats over small samples and left (due to bring behind JWP in the excellent manager's view!). Also you were comparing with others in our squad, they are not.

 

Your stats show then; (to nearest no.)

Mane 28

Tadic 19

Ward Prowse 15

Wanyama 13

Elia 10

Schneiderlin 9

Davis 2

 

Possession 2nd

Overall;

Mane 27

Tadic 24

Schneiderlin 23

JWP 18

Wanyama 18

Davis 11

 

So if you want to use this site to prove a player is underperforming then appears Davis is your man!

 

If you look at other club's forums it seems JWP is highly rated ...there are numerous Man U fans wanting him.

 

Find it confusing, many here were predicting relegation, but we have been one of the best sides in the country despite Tadic, Mane, Pelle, Long, JWP, Yoshida and Forster not being good enough??!

 

Or perhaps there are quite a few on here who just don't understand football very well?

[Turkish]

I don't want to get bogged down on this website's stats as not the best way to judge a player, and I am not sure what they are based on. It just seems a strange thing to choose to beat him up with, when he actually comes out well. Clearly the best guage is per 90 mins played, as cancels out issues of injury, short sub appearances etc.

Also I ignored two players, Cork and Ramierez as their stats over small samples and left (due to bring behind JWP in the excellent manager's view!). Also you were comparing with others in our squad, they are not.

 

Your stats show then; (to nearest no.)

Mane 28

Tadic 19

Ward Prowse 15

Wanyama 13

Elia 10

Schneiderlin 9

Davis 2

 

Possession 2nd

Overall;

Mane 27

Tadic 24

Schneiderlin 23

JWP 18

Wanyama 18

Davis 11

 

So if you want to use this site to prove a player is underperforming then appears Davis is your man!

 

If you look at other club's forums it seems JWP is highly rated ...there are numerous Man U fans wanting him.

 

Find it confusing, many here were predicting relegation, but we have been one of the best sides in the country despite Tadic, Mane, Pelle, Long, JWP, Yoshida and Forster not being good enough??!

 

Or perhaps there are quite a few on here who just don't understand football very well?

 

You'd think they'd be enjoying the season wouldn't you. Here we are with 9 games left in 6th place with European football and at least our third highest ever finish a real possibility and all they want to do is rip the players that got us there apart. Forster is crap on crosses, Ward prowse doesn't do anything, wanyama can't pass, long just runs around. Not to mention the treadmill of whipping boys we need to have which has gone through half the squad so far this season.

 

The way some of our experts on here disect players performances you'd think it's be a forum full of ex international players fitness coaches, psychologists and sports scientists. As it turns out it's a forum full of clueless divs who don't know what they're on about and have probably never kicked a ball in their life.

[Son of Bob]

You'd think they'd be enjoying the season wouldn't you. Here we are with 9 games left in 6th place with European football and at least our third highest ever finish a real possibility and all they want to do is rip the players that got us there apart. Forster is crap on crosses, Ward prowse doesn't do anything, wanyama can't pass, long just runs around. Not to mention the treadmill of whipping boys we need to have which has gone through half the squad so far this season.

 

The way some of our experts on here disect players performances you'd think it's be a forum full of ex international players fitness coaches, psychologists and sports scientists. As it turns out it's a forum full of clueless divs who don't know what they're on about and have probably never kicked a ball in their life.

 

Amen.

[mrfahaji]

While I don’t disagree with some of the points here, I can’t help wondering if everyone would be raving about him if he was still playing in the Under 21s without the 64 appearances to his name.

He’s only 20 and central midfield must be one of the hardest positions to find your feet in as a youngster; Ross Barkley has been billed as England’s next star but at the grand old age of 21 he hasn’t exactly set the world alight. I too have reservations whether JWP will live up to the hype but for supporters to be slamming someone at this early stage in their career seems crazy to me.

[Leicestersaint]

But will JWP ever score a goal??!

[St Marco]

You'd think they'd be enjoying the season wouldn't you. Here we are with 9 games left in 6th place with European football and at least our third highest ever finish a real possibility and all they want to do is rip the players that got us there apart. Forster is crap on crosses, Ward prowse doesn't do anything, wanyama can't pass, long just runs around. Not to mention the treadmill of whipping boys we need to have which has gone through half the squad so far this season.

 

The way some of our experts on here disect players performances you'd think it's be a forum full of ex international players fitness coaches, psychologists and sports scientists. As it turns out it's a forum full of clueless divs who don't know what they're on about and have probably never kicked a ball in their life.

 

This is a forum, if we all agreed and didn't have things to 'analyse' it would be pretty boring no?

 

We are having a great season and I am enjoying it. But like anything you enjoy there will be parts where you think it could be even better. LIke a film you really liked, there could be a part where you thought it was ****. In my view football is no different. We have done very well but that does not mean there are not 'parts' that could be improved upon. And to talk about them is pretty normal? Isn't that what football fans do?

 

As for the clueless Divs bit wouldn't really expect anything different from you. Don't agree with an opinion and out comes the attacks. Something's never change hey?

 

I am looking forward to watching JWP turn into this amazing midfielder some are saying he will be. Some have mentioned "possession" as some awesome stat. It isn't how long you have the ball, it is what you do with it that matters.

[Barry the Badger]

Heard it all before with Schneiderlin, people expecting too much of a 20 year old.

[St.JonB]

Heard it all before with Schneiderlin, people expecting too much of a 20 year old.

 

Exactly. People on here used to slate him for all sorts of reasons (including not scoring goals). Prowse will get better and better with time.

[Batman]

Exactly. People on here used to slate him for all sorts of reasons (including not scoring goals). Prowse will get better and better with time.

 

I remember when it was suggested that wotton was better for us than morgan, lol

[CityRanger]

Captained side and scored winner tonight for England U21's v Germany. The lad is coming along nicely.

[bjk]

Captained side and scored winner tonight for England U21's v Germany. The lad is coming along nicely.

Very good performance tonight,looked the undoubted quality player he is.

[david in sweden]

...might encourage him to find the net for the first team, he's be so close so often this season .......

[beatlesaint]

Would score for England wouldn't he ?

Pelle will probably score for Italy tomorrow too !

[Colinjb]

Would score for England wouldn't he ?

Pelle will probably score for Italy tomorrow too !

 

If it helps kick start his club form, fine by me!

[Alwightmush]

Prowsey's goal to make it 3-2.

 

 

Any chance this could be added to the forum?

[Saint IQ]

http://sport.bt.com/football-01363810438492 full screen highlights can be seen on this page

[Dalek2003]

Well, lets hope he scores a couple in the league. Good goal.

[Saint Garrett]

Really was a brilliantly taken finish. Would like to think he's been working on that part of his game and we'll see one pop in before the end of the season.

[mrfahaji]

Would score for England wouldn't he ?

Pelle will probably score for Italy tomorrow too !

 

I'm thinking that Bertrand and/or Clyne could conspire to set him up for a confidence boosting goal...

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Really was a brilliantly taken finish. Would like to think he's been working on that part of his game and we'll see one pop in before the end of the season.

 

My favourite part of the goal was how he made space for himself in a tight area with his run peeling away from the defenders that got attracted to the ball.

[shurlock]

Thought the general level of play was pretty poor. Some very slack defending and goalkeeping.

[ericofarabia]

Thought the general level of play was pretty poor. Some very slack defending and goalkeeping.

 

Goal Keeping has never really been one of his better positions to be honest

[krissyboy31]

Thing that struck me was it was one touch then hit. He is sometimes a bit hesitant to shoot, maybe takes a second touch then gets blocked. Terrible miss by Ings at the end though that should have made it 4-2.

[a1ex2001]

Slight word of caution never get too excited about the England under 21's David Prutton was regularly captain in his 25 appearances and look how that turned out!

 

Still think JWP is quality and will go on to be a top draw player, I'm not sure he will ever be in the world class bracket but he will be a very good premier league midfielder and almost certainly rack up a few England caps along the way.

 

This thread is yet another illustration of the stupidity of the average football fan, we are having our most successful season in 30 years and still people choose to ***** and moan rather than enjoying it! We are lucky enough to have the England under 21's captain in our midfield and just because he isn't Zidane like every week some fans feel the urge to slate him and basically write his career off. It's a bit like listening to talk sport most of the callers should be put out of their misery to improve the gene pool the same is probably true for half the fans in any football stadium or internet forum.

[krissyboy31]

Slight word of caution never get too excited about the England under 21's David Prutton was regularly captain in his 25 appearances and look how that turned out!

 

Still think JWP is quality and will go on to be a top draw player, I'm not sure he will ever be in the world class bracket but he will be a very good premier league midfielder and almost certainly rack up a few England caps along the way.

 

This thread is yet another illustration of the stupidity of the average football fan, we are having our most successful season in 30 years and still people choose to ***** and moan rather than enjoying it! We are lucky enough to have the England under 21's captain in our midfield and just because he isn't Zidane like every week some fans feel the urge to slate him and basically write his career off. It's a bit like listening to talk sport most of the callers should be put out of their misery to improve the gene pool the same is probably true for half the fans in any football stadium or internet forum.

 

I think for an England player, that is about as good as it gets tbh.

[sadoldgit]

JWP has bags of potential. I think he will be a key player for us in years to come.