Roger Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Very very happy with saints today. However, his form is poor IMO. Just had disagreement with a family member. He thinks he was good today and my uncle thinks he will be a world class player. I think he was awful today and had been for a long time. 0 goals in 64 apps isn't great is it? What do you guys think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Very very happy with saints today. However, his form is poor IMO. Just had disagreement with a family member. He thinks he was good today and my uncle thinks he will be a world class player. I think he was awful today and had been for a long time. 0 goals in 64 apps isn't great is it? What do you guys think ? Who does your uncle play for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 15 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Who does your uncle play for? Lol he mans ward prowse will be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 I think he's a nearly man. He nearly wins a tackle, he nearly gets on the end of things, he nearly knocks a great dead ball. Personally I think he's going backwards,he just doesn't have that one aspect of his game that stands out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Reed is superior imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 I thought we looked worse when Davis and tadic both came off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 (edited) He's young so don't want to write him off but I fail to see what he adds. Even his set pieces aren't what they were. If his name was Gaston and cost £12m he would be getting dogs abuse. Being young and from the academy he gets leeway. Edited 15 March, 2015 by Golden Balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 I think he's a nearly man. He nearly wins a tackle, he nearly gets on the end of things, he nearly knocks a great dead ball. Personally I think he's going backwards,he just doesn't have that one aspect of his game that stands out. I thought that about Mane before it clicked for him. I call them one inch off. A player that you are sure has it but just needs the knack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Give the lad a chance. Mind you, I think the ref out-sprinted him today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Reed is superior imo Plays a completely different position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Can't be easy to improve and settle into a team you rarely start in and don't get much game time for. But... he'd get more starts and game time if he impressed enough in training to keep somebody else out, then performed well enough when he does play. I think there are some games that really suit him and others that don't. He performs best when he has plenty of time to think, plan and pick a pass. He struggles when he's hustled and hurried, which is a big problem in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Plays a completely different position It might be interesting to play Reed and let Schneiderlin go forward more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Very very happy with saints today. However, his form is poor IMO. Just had disagreement with a family member. He thinks he was good today and my uncle thinks he will be a world class player. I think he was awful today and had been for a long time. 0 goals in 64 apps isn't great is it? What do you guys think ? I think he is a very very good young player thats out of form. He hasnt hit the heights he hit before his injury, but technically is a very good young player IMO. Davis was very poor today, prowse didnt change much today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 It might be interesting to play Reed and let Schneiderlin go forward more. Maybe, schneiderlin has that ability. Ive never seen anything of Reed to suggest he has anything expansive about his game. But has a great energy and tenacity. Id like to see an inform JWP back though personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Maybe, schneiderlin has that ability. Ive never seen anything of Reed to suggest he has anything expansive about his game. But has a great energy and tenacity. Id like to see an inform JWP back though personally When was he inform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 He's not a good option to come on when we're under the cosh a bit. He seems to get flustered and bis tackling is woeful. Zero aggression. He's best played in the Davis position from the start and when we play teams which let us have the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 When was he inform Was quality during ice hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 When was he inform Funny thing was cork would of been perfect instead of JWP today, he was great and close control and retaining possession. Never mind it's a positive result and we owe burnley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 When was he inform Pre injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintWoolwich Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Thought this was interesting.. whilst he may not score (for Saints anyway) his assist record isn't bad: Squawka Football @Squawka Most assists per 90 in the Premier League this season (400+ minutes): Cesc Fabregas (0.66) Angel Di Maria (0.49) James Ward-Prowse (0.49) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Made one very important contribution today..........that goal line clearance in extra time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJSFC Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 What does JWP offer to the team? All I hear about is his set-pieces. It's all well and good being able to whip in a nice-looking corner/free-kick, but I can't recall him creating or scoring anything from a set piece. He's slow, lightweight and can be suspect defensively. I want the guy to succeed. I really do. But, he has shown me nothing to suggest he'll live up to the hype some hyperbolic Saints fans gave him. He's been a regular in our first team since 2012 and nothing has improved since then in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 He's still young cut the lad some slack ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 What does JWP offer to the team? All I hear about is his set-pieces. It's all well and good being able to whip in a nice-looking corner/free-kick, but I can't recall him creating or scoring anything from a set piece. He's slow, lightweight and can be suspect defensively. I want the guy to succeed. I really do. But, he has shown me nothing to suggest he'll live up to the hype some hyperbolic Saints fans gave him. He's been a regular in our first team since 2012 and nothing has improved since then in my opinion. literally couldn't agree more. He isn't quick so cant play wide, doesn't seem to have a great passing range, not a harrier/tackler either. What is his best position? Thought he was awful AGAIN when he came on today..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 You have to admire the people who defend young Prowsey, week in, week out, pointing to his youth, technical ability, potential, dead ball delivery and the promise of so much to come in the future with a Captain's armband for England the glittering prize. Then you remind yourself of what you've mostly seen of him on the pitch in the last two or three seasons and the conclusion is something quite different. The lad's limitations leap out at you; lack of pace, slowness of decision making, no left foot to speak of; safety first passing, inability to advance with the ball or beat an opponent, defensively poor. It will be interesting to see how much longer RK and co. persist with the JWP project. If I was Harry Reed (yes I know they play a different style of game) I'd be tearing my short red hair out - the difference in opportunity these two have been given is bemusing - I can see the coaching staff's assessment of the side's best 18 players changing eventually to include players like Reed or even Hesketh at the expense of JWP. Hugely disappointing for a likeable young lad who continues to fall short of the required standards many have predicted for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Ward-prowse is a very good premier league midfielder. People seem to have unrealistic expectations of what our players should be doing with regards to goals and assist. How many midfielders in the prem have got more assists than him who aren't first choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Ward-prowse is a very good premier league midfielder. People seem to have unrealistic expectations of what our players should be doing with regards to goals and assist. How many midfielders in the prem have got more assists than him who aren't first choice? What makes you say he is a 'very good premier league midfielder' ? What are you basing it on? he isnt first choice here, nor is he likely to be any time soon (departures etc dependant) he just isnt very effective.....i would send him out on Loan to a championship club and see how he gets on, and if they can find a position for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 Since much of our team have had awful spells of form this season (Mane, Pelle, Tadic, Davis etc) and even last season Wanyama, Boruc & Yoshida often looked suspect I think it's a bit unfair to rule him out as not being premier league quality. I to be honest, he's not as good as good as I hoped he might be at this stage in his career. But he's not bad. We didn't waste big money on him. And for those asking what he's contributed lately. He set up the winner against Palace last match and made a goal line clearance today, both matches he came on as a late substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 What makes you say he is a 'very good premier league midfielder' ? What are you basing it on? he isnt first choice here, nor is he likely to be any time soon (departures etc dependant) he just isnt very effective.....i would send him out on Loan to a championship club and see how he gets on, and if they can find a position for him He has the same amount of assists as Hazard, more than Ozil, Lamela, Falcao, Coutinho, Rooney, twice as many as David Silva, Ander Herrera... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 15 March, 2015 Share Posted 15 March, 2015 I'm not as excited as I use to be regarding JWP. Basically he has become an ordinary player with nothing special to offer. His dead ball kicking is not as good as everyone makes out and very rarely finds a team mate. Tackling is weak and shooting worse. Seems like a nice lad but is not developing his game and for me he is not premier league quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Benali Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 Terrible player. Hugely over rated by some on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 He's having a horror season, and isn't currently the kind of player you want to bring on whilst we're under pressure and trying to hang on. His passing has gone, tackling has never been, and looks very nervous on the ball. He is a good player but suffering from loss in confidence perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 I think it's astonishing that we sit so high up the league, when you consider how many awful players we have in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 Should get £20 m for him while people still think he is the best dead ball take in the league. Every commentator/pundit trots this out consistently but could we have some evidence please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 If he was any better we would be selling him to Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 It appears we have a new whipping boy then. Now Mane has hit some form we have moved on to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 It appears we have a new whipping boy then. Now Mane has hit some form we have moved on to someone else. Everyone is lovely and they are all as good as each other. Better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 footballers frequently have a bad day at the office, (although I'm sure that many people on here do their jobs 100% job .....24/7) Many others in the squad are quite excellent, and so it difficult to compare for a young player, but that's how they learn. He has quality, but it takes time to get established .....much as I liked him (Jack Cork) never did, although he looked OK much of the time) JWP is overshadowed by Schneiderlin and Davis (who didn't look so hot yesterday either) but we used the long ball clearances and Forster's " big punt " much of the time. I don't see so much criticism from other clubs about their out-of-form players, but some people on here are willing to ditch someone on the basis of a few poor games. JWP is still learning and has lots of time to improve. He's been out of luck with scoring, but my guess is that his first League goal will take him to the next level (mentally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 I think it's astonishing that we sit so high up the league, when you consider how many awful players we have in the team. No, No. The real surprise is that we are behind so many teams who have no good players--like Man City who has nothing but aging has beens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 It might be interesting to play Reed and let Schneiderlin go forward more. Or leave Schneiderlin where he is and push Reed forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 This best time was early to mid last season when he was playing wide right and whipping in good crosses. But we don't play that way anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 Bit harsh on JWP as this thread is based on his performance yesterday afternoon, both he and Djuricic came into a side that was for want of a better term were under the cosh of a strong Chelsea poking and probing for a winner. Everyone on the pitch in a Saints shirt was tuned into the task at hand and the ping pong breathless nature of the game, Koeman threw the dice and changed up, freshened, the midfield with 2 players who are more than capable to make something happen I think the intensity of the game was such that both of them found themselves having to get up to speed very very quickly whilst not dropping an expensive clanger, as a result they both became anonymous in the grand scheme of things. Just as an aside, Not sure which Chelsea player it was who sent JWP sprawling just outside our box, but I bet if that was up the other end of the pitch the ref would have blown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 Just as an aside, Not sure which Chelsea player it was who sent JWP sprawling just outside our box, but I bet if that was up the other end of the pitch the ref would have blown. It was Hazard - I think it was a fair shoulder barge. I don't like the way players get penalised for being stronger than the other these days. JWP has bulked up but he is still relatively small for the hustle and bustle of the Premier League. I think Mike Dean let a lot of contact go yesterday and I quite enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 It was Hazard - I think it was a fair shoulder barge. I don't like the way players get penalised for being stronger than the other these days. JWP has bulked up but he is still relatively small for the hustle and bustle of the Premier League. I think Mike Dean let a lot of contact go yesterday and I quite enjoyed it. Agreed. Hazard was just stronger than him and fair enough. I do get the feeling this thread will be dragged up in 2-3 years time when JWP becomes the next Lampard (Morgan V Wotton anyone?). I hope that happens. But until then I just don't get it. And did he honestly get an assist Vs Palace? I don't really think a scuffed shot straight at the keeper is an assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 This is like a yearly thing. Have a look at the posts from previous years at around the same time and you'll see the same thing. He starts the seasons well, gets a place in the side and keeps it. He gets a few knocks and niggles around Christmas time, gets back but then struggles to get to grips with the game and plays with a bit of tiredness. He then looses his place in the team and everyone says he's not good enough. Technically he is fine, he's not an awful player and he hasn't had a horror year what so ever. But when the going gets tough and the games ramp up, he struggles. He needs to bulk himself up a bit, show a bit more desire to snap into tackles. He's a little too weak. But it does seem odd that we must always have someone to criticise. We're 6th in the league, if I'm honest I don't think any of our players deserve criticising to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 It appears we have a new whipping boy then. Now Mane has hit some form we have moved on to someone else. Indeed. According to the geniuses on here Forster is crap; Mane is crap, Davis is crap; Mane is crap; Tadic is crap; Ward-Prowse is crap; Pelle is really crap; and yet somehow we are 6th!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 He's still young cut the lad some slack ffs. Morgan used to get this level of grief too. I agree that he should be cut some slack. The club would not have given him a new contract if they didn't believe in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 Agreed. Hazard was just stronger than him and fair enough. I do get the feeling this thread will be dragged up in 2-3 years time when JWP becomes the next Lampard (Morgan V Wotton anyone?). I hope that happens. But until then I just don't get it. And did he honestly get an assist Vs Palace? I don't really think a scuffed shot straight at the keeper is an assist. If he hadn't got in that position, beat a defender, kept his shot down and hit the target, I might agree with you. The fact that we scored a goal from his movement and shot, I disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 Players come in out of form. They aren't exempt from criticism.. Many get hysterical and will never be satisfied at any performance. People aren't saying Pelle is crap but even the manager recognised he is badly out of form hence his exclusion yesterday.. To comment on such doesn't mean he is a whipping boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 16 March, 2015 Share Posted 16 March, 2015 To be fair though Whelk, there is a big difference between commenting on someone being out of form or not playing well, and another about labelling them as cr@p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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