kwsaint Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 I know that we were spoiled with SRL and MLT, who scored 80/81 penalties between them, but why does Tadic still take penalties? He missed against Burnley, and both the successful penalties against Arsenal in the LC and today were dribbled down the middle of the goal. Personally I would have big Vic taking them and just thump them in. Thought Tadic was much better today otherwise, especially in the first half.
AdrianC Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 He doesn't inspire confidence to anyone watching in the smae way MLT and RL did but he managed to scrape the ball home. I was thinking Long or Schneiderlin would've been the taker today.
bpsaint Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 All three of his pens have been shocking, regardless of the outcome. I would have thought Steve Davis would be a better choice, or Morgan.
trousers Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Maybe Alderweireld is as good at penalties as he is at taking free kicks?
nta786 Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Personally, Pelle, as a striker should be screaming to take them- a goal would do him a wonder of good... If not, Davis, Morgan and Toby I reckon have it in them to take a good penalty.
Badger Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Personally, Pelle, as a striker should be screaming to take them- a goal would do him a wonder of good... If not, Davis, Morgan and Toby I reckon have it in them to take a good penalty. Had he been on the pitch at the time perhaps he would . Bit surprised that Tadic had the nod today, despite the Burnley outcome. Agree we need someone who can blast them regularly rather than trickle them down the middle which does not insire confidence at all.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Maybe Alderweireld is as good at penalties as he is at taking free kicks? Was thinking that myself. I do miss Rickie for this very reason, when we got a pen when he was on the pitch you knew it was a goal. No question.
fanimal Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Just thank God the refs are blind at SMS and don't give us any penalties!!
whelk Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Personally, Pelle, as a striker should be screaming to take them- a goal would do him a wonder of good... If not, Davis, Morgan and Toby I reckon have it in them to take a good penalty. Davis?! The worst finisher, along with JWP, in the side.
nta786 Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Davis?! The worst finisher, along with JWP, in the side. I reckon he has a decent shot power, confidence and dead ball ability to take a penalty- I'm pretty sure he takes penalties for NI as well? Funny how no one has said JWP either to take a penalty lol.
Dark Munster Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Good question. We've had so many quality penalty takers over the years: Peach, MLT, Beattie, Crouch, SRL. Tadic is not close to any of them, and he's the best we've got?
whelk Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 I reckon he has a decent shot power, confidence and dead ball ability to take a penalty- I'm pretty sure he takes penalties for NI as well? Funny how no one has said JWP either to take a penalty lol. Agree can't think anyone would be worse than Tadic though
Dellman Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Mogan is a class act, he wouldn't blast it like RL, he would stroke it and send the goaly the wrong way but Tadic again--no thanks, he scares me
DuncanRG Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Personally I think it's quite exciting that, for the first time in years, we now get penalties and I don't know whether we're going to score.
igsey Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Clyne would be my choice - he can smash them from 20 yards, why not 12? He must have watched Rickie practice them enough in training too.
Charlie Wayman Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Well, Tadic did score did he not so why are we all complaining? 12 yards out with a static goalie, what's difficult about that? Too much is made of it, I still blame the bloody Germans who never miss.
Dr Who? Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Personally, Pelle, as a striker should be screaming to take them- a goal would do him a wonder of good... If not, Davis, Morgan and Toby I reckon have it in them to take a good penalty. Pelle, does not fancy them. Bit weird really, but I think a striker should jump at the chance of a free shot.
saint_roffa Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Pelle, does not fancy them. Bit weird really, but I think a striker should jump at the chance of a free shot. He took them for Feyenoord, .
The Cat Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 Personally I think it's quite exciting that, for the first time in years, we now get penalties and I don't know whether we're going to score.
Batman Posted 15 March, 2015 Posted 15 March, 2015 The 3 penalties tadic has taken have all gone the same place. Hardly like Lambert where the keepers had no chance
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Terrible penalty taker. Its too much about him and how he scores and not about putting it in the net in as uncomplicated a manner as possible. He needsto bury the next one and stop the Billy Big Balls stuff.
mrfahaji Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Was the Burnley one also down the middle? I thought it went to the side, and was a 'poor' penalty rather than a shocking one. Arsenal & Chelsea were awful, but they did go in... I know Lambert & Le Tiss were both also excellent free kick takers but I'm not sure it necessarily follows that the two go hand in hand, penalties require a lot more composure and nerve. Credit at least to Tadic for stepping up again despite missing the last one - for a player supposedly lacking bottle it would be easy for him to give someone else a go.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 I can't work out his style - if he's dong a Yakubu / Hazard style thing of placing it via bad contact but at the last second after seeing where the keeper is diving or if this sort of penalty is his 'thing'. Either way it scares the living daylights out of me.
GarrettIvo Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Well we only get one every 20 games or so, so it'll be a while before it becomes an issue again I'd say.
Golden Balls Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Davis?! The worst finisher, along with JWP, in the side.
S-Clarke Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 We've been massively spoilt in the last 5 years with Rickie, an exquisite penalty taker. I'd suggest that we won't get one as good as that for a while, so don't heap too much pressure on Tadic. He scored it at the end of the day! A goal is a goal, scuffed, scrambled, shouldered in or whatever. As long as it's the back of the net and it gets us a result I couldn't care less.
Rational Rich Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Lots of stories about us scoring 52 out of 55 PL penalities. Who are the three who have missed for us in the Premier League? Tadic is one, clearly, can't remember Beattie missing one, so I would guess Magilton and maybe Dodd are the other two? Of course we had a number of misses in the Football League years, even excluding the Derby shootout, Billy Sharp and Quashie are two which spring to mind.
Jesus Reigned Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 I had some banter on Facebook yesterday about Tadic and his penalty taking. Why do you think he takes them; could it be because he's considered to be the best man for the job? He's taken three penalties and scored two of them; against Arsenal he waited for the keeper to commit and then rolled it the other direction, against Burnley it was well struck but the keeper made a good save and yesterday Courtois dived and almost got lucky by saving it with his feet. I'd say a decent conversation rate for a regular penality taker is in the region of eight out of ten; Tadic has two out of three so is in the same ball-park. He also used to take them for Twente, although I've not been able to find his conversation rate; however I'd imagine it was pretty decent for Koeman to entrust him with them, especially as he missed his last one. Perhaps let's all reserve judgement on him being a carp penalty taker until he's taken a few more eh?!
Jesus Reigned Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Lots of stories about us scoring 52 out of 55 PL penalities. Who are the three who have missed for us in the Premier League? Tadic is one, clearly, can't remember Beattie missing one, so I would guess Magilton and maybe Dodd are the other two? Of course we had a number of misses in the Football League years, even excluding the Derby shootout, Billy Sharp and Quashie are two which spring to mind. The two that were missed by McGoldrick and Wotton in the 3-0 home defeat to Watford stick in the mind!
Trumush Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 I'm amazed that MLT hasn't been invited to Staplewood to do some penalty coaching .
DT Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 It was a terrible penalty. But it went in. I'd give the job to Mane, if only for the entertainment.
VectisSaint Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 The two that were missed by McGoldrick and Wotton in the 3-0 home defeat to Watford stick in the mind! Championship
Saint_Tony Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 (edited) Championship Remember that well, incredible to think how **** we were back then. Those pens were in the first 15 mins as well, I recall. We've been rather lucky to have had 2 of the best penalty takers in this era at our club. Tadic doesnt inspire much confidence. Talking of pens, we are still the only team yet to concede one so we have certainly been lucky with that. Fonte on Aguero, his handball at Newcastle and Targett against Chelsea spring to mind. To be fair Tadic did clip Ivanovic, who went over too theatrically. Ref should have booked him if its not a pen. I have noticed refs seems to be more wary of awarding them to some of the bigger sides these days, probably due to the influence of cheating players like Suarez on our game. Zabaleta's on sarturday was a stonewall pen, sure it would have been given a few years ago. Edited 16 March, 2015 by Saint_Tony
S-Clarke Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 The two that were missed by McGoldrick and Wotton in the 3-0 home defeat to Watford stick in the mind! That was such a depressing game. We were so, so crap back then. I mean look at the lineup from that game: Davis, James (Thomson 65), Lancashire, Cork, Mills, Smith (Pekhart 83), Lallana, Wotton, McGoldrick, Robertson, Surman. Subs Not Used: Bialkowski, Perry, Gillett. How low we sunk. That is a stinker of a team, bar a couple of obvious decent shining lights.
SuperSAINT Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 That was such a depressing game. We were so, so crap back then. I mean look at the lineup from that game: Davis, James (Thomson 65), Lancashire, Cork, Mills, Smith (Pekhart 83), Lallana, Wotton, McGoldrick, Robertson, Surman. Subs Not Used: Bialkowski, Perry, Gillett. How low we sunk. That is a stinker of a team, bar a couple of obvious decent shining lights. I remember Watford handing us our a$$es quite a few times in those days under Hoof-royd.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Remember that well, incredible to think how **** we were back then. Those pens were in the first 15 mins as well, I recall. We've been rather lucky to have had 2 of the best penalty takers in this era at our club. Tadic doesnt inspire much confidence. Talking of pens, we are still the only team yet to concede one so we have certainly been lucky with that. Fonte on Aguero, his handball at Newcastle and Targett against Chelsea spring to mind. To be fair Tadic did clip Ivanovic, who went over too theatrically. Ref should have booked him if its not a pen. I have noticed refs seems to be more wary of awarding them to some of the bigger sides these days, probably due to the influence of cheating players like Suarez on our game. Zabaleta's on sarturday was a stonewall pen, sure it would have been given a few years ago. Think Hoddle spotted this in the post-match, Vic was blocking the ref's view of the incident which probably made it harder for him to give.
S-Clarke Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 I remember Watford handing us our a$$es quite a few times in those days under Hoof-royd. The 5-1 a few years prior to that, in our PL relegation season I think, was another depressing day. They were a bloody nightmare side for us for about 5 years.
Dark Munster Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 I'm amazed that MLT hasn't been invited to Staplewood to do some penalty coaching . Me too. Didn't MLT give lessons to Crouch and others in the Luggy era, or is that my imagination?
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 If Beattie has been hanging around to learn some stuff you'd have thought they could at least have let him give a few tips. Did Ron take pens at all? Or did he stick mostly to free-kicks?
Batman Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 If Beattie has been hanging around to learn some stuff you'd have thought they could at least have let him give a few tips. Did Ron take pens at all? Or did he stick mostly to free-kicks? A professional player who is an international is not going to learn of a has-been on how to take a penalty.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 A professional player who is an international is not going to learn of a has-been on how to take a penalty. Oh sure, past experience in football has really hampered the likes of Wenger and Mourinho. I'm sure players are smart enough to understand that someone with a good record with pens can offer some advice.
saint_roffa Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Did Ron take pens at all? Or did he stick mostly to free-kicks?
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Ah right, ta. He needs to pull his finger out and get 'em sorted then.
lloydie Posted 16 March, 2015 Posted 16 March, 2015 Tadic isnt the guy for these, i genuinely could take a far better pen. (I'll hand ron my cv later.) From the current squad i'd let Toby take one. Has a rocket on him!
mrfahaji Posted 17 March, 2015 Posted 17 March, 2015 Lots of stories about us scoring 52 out of 55 PL penalities. Who are the three who have missed for us in the Premier League? Tadic is one, clearly, can't remember Beattie missing one, so I would guess Magilton and maybe Dodd are the other two? Of course we had a number of misses in the Football League years, even excluding the Derby shootout, Billy Sharp and Quashie are two which spring to mind. Le Tissier vs Forest 1993. Magilton vs West Ham 1997. I don't feel confident we're going to wait another 17 years before we miss another though...
Benny F Posted 17 March, 2015 Posted 17 March, 2015 Tadic might have scored, just, but im glad this thread was opened because like may of us, I had zero confidence in him. But he must be better than everyone else in training currently otherwise he wouldn't be taking them. We need the love child of MLT, Julian Dicks and Ricky Lambert.
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