Toby

[Batman]

again, how can it be 'far along' with spurs when saints dont (supposedly) mess things up and he was under contract with us via Madrid?

 

just going from what Monk says, think we are clutching at straws slightly and trying to undo some mess we have allowed to happen

Edited 7 July, 2015 by Batman

[saint77]

Southampton have made contact with Atleti, no response as of 15:00 today.

 

Toby agent has spoken to Spurs, that's an absolute minimum.

 

Saints are not giving up but do not know how far along any deal between Spurs & Toby currently is, a particular club official has been very busy today trying to get this done.

. Cheers monk

[grezz]

what does 'so called top 6 team' mean?

spurs are very much a top 6 side. you cant get a better definition of an English top 6 side.

 

they are bigger, better and richer than saints. Just accept it.

we have closed that gap but we still have some way to go

 

Bigger and richer - absolutely. Better, no. Despite many of the posts above I firmly believe that Saints are playing the game exactly right for long term, progressive growth. We entered the top 20 world football brands recently and if we know how to turn that into ££ (I have no idea personally but I trust they do), and if we continue to be strict about managing our day to day business within our means, then we will hopefully, one day in the long term future, overtake clubs like Spurs. I think we are a better run club than Spurs in the great scheme of things as things stand today. Unfortunately I also think Poch is good for them and he will change them into a better run club.

 

They have things that will always attract players. Good history, London club, good fan base. We are behind on these points but I think we are doing as much as we can to address that disparity. It will take time to catch up and only if we don't try to run before we can walk.

[Batman]

Bigger and richer - absolutely. Better, no. Despite many of the posts above I firmly believe that Saints are playing the game exactly right for long term, progressive growth. We entered the top 20 world football brands recently and if we know how to turn that into ££ (I have no idea personally but I trust they do), and if we continue to be strict about managing our day to day business within our means, then we will hopefully, one day in the long term future, overtake clubs like Spurs. I think we are a better run club than Spurs in the great scheme of things as things stand today. Unfortunately I also think Poch is good for them and he will change them into a better run club.

 

They have things that will always attract players. Good history, London club, good fan base. We are behind on these points but I think we are doing as much as we can to address that disparity. It will take time to catch up and only if we don't try to run before we can walk.

 

better, no? they finished above us, got to a cup final and had a good run in europe.

when was the last time we finished above them without the rest of that?

[St Chalet]

Last seasons meltdown was Tadic going to Everton.

[benjii]

Southampton have made contact with Atleti, no response as of 15:00 today.

 

Toby agent has spoken to Spurs, that's an absolute minimum.

 

Saints are not giving up but do not know how far along any deal between Spurs & Toby currently is, a particular club official has been very busy today trying to get this done.

 

Any idea how it got to this? Even if Madrid made a procedural error regarding the buy out of the option how did the whole thing become so acrimonious? We still should've been the front runners to get this sorted.

[Give it to Ron]

again, how can it be 'far along' with spurs when saints dont (supposedly) mess things up and he was under contract with us via Madrid?

 

just going from what Monk says, think we are clutching at straws slightly and trying to undo some mess we have allowed to happen

So do you think the parting of the ways of Bunce is a result of this then......if so we don't mess about do we!

[Batman]

So do you think the parting of the ways of Bunce is a result of this then......if so we don't mess about do we!

 

bit of a coincidence

 

even our ITK are mentioning being 'along' and 'spurs'...seems we are just trying to hijack the deal when we were/should be in pole position

Edited 7 July, 2015 by Batman

[Mr Biscuits]

Not signed yet then

[CB Fry]

Shame, you missed classic alpine meltdown! [emoji38]

That's annoying. I need his meltdowns to start about 6 am on a weekday so I can get him all dealt with before I get to the office.

[pangy]

Cheers for the info Monk

 

Just for future reference is it K billy,Monk and Guan 2.0 that re the ones that are ITK,anyone else to add to the list

[CityRanger]

Southampton have made contact with Atleti, no response as of 15:00 today.

 

Toby agent has spoken to Spurs, that's an absolute minimum.

 

Saints are not giving up but do not know how far along any deal between Spurs & Toby currently is, a particular club official has been very busy today trying to get this done.

Does 'made contact' insinuate we made an offer? Or are they completely ignoring any contact from Saints?! Thanks for update.

 

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[grezz]

better, no? they finished above us, got to a cup final and had a good run in europe.

when was the last time we finished above them without the rest of that?

 

Ah you meant better on the pitch? OK, I'll give you that (marginally) simply because statistics say so. I'm still pretty happy we how we are going in the great scheme of things. I wouldn't be unhappy right now if I was a Spurs fan though to be fair.

[syd_barrett_saint]

Southampton have made contact with Atleti, no response as of 15:00 today.

 

Toby agent has spoken to Spurs, that's an absolute minimum.

 

Saints are not giving up but do not know how far along any deal between Spurs & Toby currently is, a particular club official has been very busy today trying to get this done.

 

Thanks Monk.

 

Leaves you wondering how the hell has it come to it that Spurs have been able to talk to Toby's agent (which means they must have agreed a fee with Atletico, right?), but Saints have not even had a response to their contact with Atletico.

 

Given that we had him on loan and had a contract with a buy-back clause that had not been properly cancelled.... I just don't understand how or why we are waiting for Atletico to respond to us "making contact". Surely we were in the driving seat and should have been in contact with them from near the point when Toby's loan was ending.

 

Really confused.

[saint_stevo]

Southampton have made contact with Atleti, no response as of 15:00 today.

 

Toby agent has spoken to Spurs, that's an absolute minimum.

 

Saints are not giving up but do not know how far along any deal between Spurs & Toby currently is, a particular club official has been very busy today trying to get this done.

 

Didnt you say before Cesar Torres gave us a €16m valuation?

[Give it to Ron]

bit of a coincidence

 

even our ITK are mentioning being 'along' and 'spurs'...seems we are just trying to hijack the deal when we were/should be in pole position

But we expected him to sign for us then AM started their games. He was included in our squad lists

[um pahars]

Toby will be at Spurs, quite simply because that's where he wants to go. The deal is effectively done, but it can't be signed off/announced until our objection has been sorted out.

 

The view is someone will have to pay us some ££€€€€ to step away, but we ain't getting Toby that's for sure.

[Shroppie]

Toby will be at Spurs, quite simply because that's where he wants to go. The deal is effectively done, but it can't be signed off/announced until our objection has been sorted out.

 

The view is someone will have to pay us some ££€€€€ to step away, but we ain't getting Toby that's for sure.

 

Far from sure, and show me a definitive statement from Toby that he wants Spurs.

 

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[saintstan]

Taking in to account Monk's update, I find it hard to know how we don't really know how far along Toby's negotiations are with Spurs?

 

Surely if Ronald gets on as well with him as we think he would contact him and get a "we've practically agreed a deal" or "I've already signed etc"

 

I know Ronald is trying to manage the team/is away on tour, but if we want Toby that badly then I really find it hard to comprimise that someone hasn't spoken to Toby or Vic directly and that, if they had, they would then be 'cloak and dagger' with Saints and risk wasting our time and effort if it was all completed with Spurs!?

 

We just seem to be peeing in the wind.

[JoeShmoe]

I hope we don't end up finding out that we sat on our hands 'hoping' this option to buy would expire and expecting AM not to notice while Spurs were doing what we should have been doing and contacting them directly to discuss a transfer fee

 

As if so we now look like right fools by trying to contact AM the day he practically signs for someone else

 

Not saying this is what happened not like everyone else I don't see how on earth did got to this point

[Batman]

But we expected him to sign for us then AM started their games. He was included in our squad lists

 

where's this?

[thorpie the sinner]

Well, as long as we are still on his twitter status, I will continue to believe!

[doggface]

Really disappointing if we miss out, this saga has been very odd to say the least. Having agreed the loan you would think we would be in pole with AM. Clearly there has been a huge breakdown in that relationship and I think that will ultimately cost us.

 

Quite who is at fault is unclear but either way we miss out which is very disappointing and now looking at starting the season with one of last seasons back 5 very worrying IMO.

[shurlock]

I hope we don't end up finding out that we sat on our hands 'hoping' this option to buy would expire and expecting AM not to notice while Spurs were doing what we should have been doing and contacting them directly to discuss a transfer fee

 

As if so we now look like right fools by trying to contact AM the day he practically signs for someone else

 

Not saying this is what happened not like everyone else I don't see how on earth did got to this point

 

I can't believe anyone, moderately professional, would either adopt or fall for these tinpot tactics. As a theory, think it's way off the truth and says more about the state of mind of this place that it's been mooted.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Seems like Madrid are point blank refusing to speak to us, in order that Spurs can get a deal done. They'll worry about the legal ramifications with us once they've got their £12m in the bag. Whatever they have to pay us, it will be worth it to double their transfer fee

Edited 7 July, 2015 by Ex Lion Tamer

[DG]

Toby will be at Spurs, quite simply because that's where he wants to go. The deal is effectively done, but it can't be signed off/announced until our objection has been sorted out.

 

The view is someone will have to pay us some ££€€€€ to step away, but we ain't getting Toby that's for sure.

 

Disappointing, no idea what the club have been playing at but if his mind was elsewhere...I just hope the black box has a decent backup.

[The9]

and so a season of watching and moaning about Yoshidas lack of quality awaits.

 

That was my thing for March to May, we'll be looking to sign someone better than him by the start of the Prem season (though possibly not the EL3QR).

[Saint Garrett]

Seems like Madrid are point blank refusing to speak to us, in order that Spurs can get a deal done. They'll worry about the legal ramifications with us once they've got their £12m in the bag, whatever they have to pay us, it will be worth it to double their transfer fee

 

Not when we've supposedly actually offered more?

[Saint Charlie]

I'm just confused as to what Saints were thinking/doing when it was common knowledge that Levy was going out to Spain to do the deal? Maybe they didn't believe it, but from the outside it does look like we just watched it happen, and three or four days after they had a fee agreed we still haven't - we were meant to be the frontrunners and had a year to plan our approach!

[Batman]

Seems like Madrid are point blank refusing to speak to us, in order that Spurs can get a deal done. They'll worry about the legal ramifications with us once they've got their £12m in the bag. Whatever they have to pay us, it will be worth it to double their transfer fee

 

I thought they could not by law.

even though football has its own rules but it was said here that Madrid couldnt do anything????

[Ex Lion Tamer]

I thought they could not by law.

even though football has its own rules but it was said here that Madrid couldnt do anything????

**** knows mate

[The9]

I'm just confused as to what Saints were thinking/doing when it was common knowledge that Levy was going out to Spain to do the deal? Maybe they didn't believe it, but from the outside it does look like we just watched it happen, and three or four days after they had a fee agreed we still haven't - we were meant to be the frontrunners and had a year to plan our approach!

 

Saints were sitting there saying "but he's our player already", which looked fairly sound when we threatened legal actiion.

 

I'm not sure what there's still to discuss at this stage, Spurs and Atletico will do as much as they can to push the deal through without actually being able to complete anything because they know they'll create a legal mess and will be trying to avoid that as well, we'll either try and prove our legal case or decide to fork out more than Spurs to make the problem go away altogether.

 

Bearing in mind we've got at least the £1.5m to mess around with, whether that becomes part of a deal where we forget about it to get the player or just off-set it against the total cost.

[beatlesaint]

I'm just confused as to what Saints were thinking/doing when it was common knowledge that Levy was going out to Spain to do the deal? Maybe they didn't believe it, but from the outside it does look like we just watched it happen, and three or four days after they had a fee agreed we still haven't - we were meant to be the frontrunners and had a year to plan our approach!

 

From the info out there that looks to be correct but it's what we don't know or what hasn't leaked out that makes what Saints have or haven't done pure guesswork at this stage.

[Webby]

Seems like Madrid are point blank refusing to speak to us, in order that Spurs can get a deal done. They'll worry about the legal ramifications with us once they've got their £12m in the bag. Whatever they have to pay us, it will be worth it to double their transfer fee

 

Well, about that compensation. I would think it would be more than the 1.5m they should have paid before the deadline or else that would just negate the deadline, then all this fuss needn't have happened. No, it'll be more than that. If I was Les, I'd be seeking the 1.5m buyout fee plus another 1.5m for reneging on the deal. That gives us 3m off of any replacement, and also reduces their profit from any TA to Spurs fee.

[The9]

I thought they could not by law.

even though football has its own rules but it was said here that Madrid couldnt do anything????

 

They can play silly buggers whilst trying to tie up a contractually dubious deal with Spurs for more money, but it's pretty unlikely it'll be ratified if there's questionable grounds for it.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

I'm just confused as to what Saints were thinking/doing when it was common knowledge that Levy was going out to Spain to do the deal? Maybe they didn't believe it, but from the outside it does look like we just watched it happen, and three or four days after they had a fee agreed we still haven't - we were meant to be the frontrunners and had a year to plan our approach!

I like the idea of Les Reed flying out to Spain with a briefcase full of euros and turning up unannounced at AM HQ to break up Levy's meeting

[Saint Charlie]

Saints were sitting there saying "but he's our player already", which looked fairly sound when we threatened legal actiion.

 

I'm not sure what there's still to discuss at this stage, Spurs and Atletico will do as much as they can to push the deal through without actually being able to complete anything because they know they'll create a legal mess and will be trying to avoid that as well, we'll either try and prove our legal case or decide to fork out more than Spurs to make the problem go away altogether.

 

Bearing in mind we've got at least the £1.5m to mess around with, whether that becomes part of a deal where we forget about it to get the player or just off-set it against the total cost.

 

If they thought he was our player whilst Levy and Atletico were talking then its a little naïve IMO.

 

At that point he hadn't signed a contract with Saints, hadnt been registered as our player so he wasn't our player.

 

If the legal action leak was a stalling tactic maybe it has done the trick, but it massively smacked of desperation and somehow a situation we had control over switched around to where we are playing catchup to the extent we had to publically leak info about the deal - which is not the Southampton Way and was a big indication all was not well.

 

We would have actually been better off had there been no option I think, it seems to have been the root of the problem.

 

If the talk of us bidding 14m today is true then our situation is even more bizarre and seemingly lacking a good plan.

Edited 7 July, 2015 by Saint Charlie

[goneawol]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-set-confirm-transfer-toby-6020132

[Viking Warrior]

Southampton have made contact with Atleti, no response as of 15:00 today.

 

Toby agent has spoken to Spurs, that's an absolute minimum.

 

Saints are not giving up but do not know how far along any deal between Spurs & Toby currently is, a particular club official has been very busy today trying to get this done.

 

Monk I assume you mean a saints official and not Spurs official ?

[Batman]

Saints were sitting there saying "but he's our player already", which looked fairly sound when we threatened legal actiion.

 

I'm not sure what there's still to discuss at this stage, Spurs and Atletico will do as much as they can to push the deal through without actually being able to complete anything because they know they'll create a legal mess and will be trying to avoid that as well, we'll either try and prove our legal case or decide to fork out more than Spurs to make the problem go away altogether.

 

Bearing in mind we've got at least the £1.5m to mess around with, whether that becomes part of a deal where we forget about it to get the player or just off-set it against the total cost.

 

you make out that it is impossible for him to sign for spurs.

 

hope you are right

[CB Fry]

Far from sure, and show me a definitive statement from Toby that he wants Spurs.

 

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Why on earth would that even exist?

 

Wait for the interview on the THFC website. I think he'll be really impressed with facilities and the manager and of course I know some of the lads already and I am joining a big club with a proud history and passionate fans and once the gaffer had spoken to me I knew and I can't wait to get started and

[S-Clarke]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-set-confirm-transfer-toby-6020132

 

More re-hash. He was set to sign today, last night, and he was set to sign over the weekend on Friday.

[angelman]

I said a long time back in this thread, that it should be up to the player. We've had all the platitudes but by all accounts it seems he prefers to go to Spuds, so let him go, but screw AM and Spuds for as much as possible.

[Saint Charlie]

Why on earth would that even exist?

 

Wait for the interview on the THFC website. I think he'll be really impressed with facilities and the manager and of course I know some of the lads already and I am joining a big club with a proud history and passionate fans and once the gaffer had spoken to me I knew and I can't wait to get started and

 

They showed (by agreeing a price) that they really wanted me etc.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Well, about that compensation. I would think it would be more than the 1.5m they should have paid before the deadline or else that would just negate the deadline, then all this fuss needn't have happened. No, it'll be more than that. If I was Les, I'd be seeking the 1.5m buyout fee plus another 1.5m for reneging on the deal. That gives us 3m off of any replacement, and also reduces their profit from any TA to Spurs fee.

They'll still get more than if they sold to us. AM get more money, we get more money, Spurs get the player

[Jimbo]

Alps has been the standout performer this afternoon. Far more entertaining than people repetitively quoting twitter bollax from unknown 14 year olds, pretending to be ITK journos.

 

I agree. Good on yer, Alps!

[Lord Duckhunter]

Toby will be at Spurs, quite simply because that's where he wants to go. The deal is effectively done, but it can't be signed off/announced until our objection has been sorted out.

 

The view is someone will have to pay us some ££€€€€ to step away, but we ain't getting Toby that's for sure.

 

I think you're right . There's a massive difference from saying he's not bothered which one he signs for when there's no deal on the table , to Turning down Spurs to sign for a smaller club . I've heard of last minute gazumping , but any examples of when a bigger club , paying higher wages have been the victim.

 

I don't care how many times his father , him, his mates, whoever tells us , I don't believe for one minute that there's not a deal signed sealed and delivered ready to go once the legal i's are dotted with regard to our claim . The actual agreement between clubs is the last piece of the jigsaw. Levy didn't travel to Spain without knowing Toby wanted to sign , clubs make offers once they get a nod and a wink , not before .

[Saints foreva]

They'll still get more than if they sold to us. AM get more money, we get more money, Spurs get the player

 

Spurs win.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-set-confirm-transfer-toby-6020132

 

Alternatively...

 

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/589586/Agent-denies-Tottenham-agreement-Chelsea-Southampton-target-Alderweireld-transfer-gossip

[Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-set-confirm-transfer-toby-6020132

 

Interesting passage though:

 

Southampton boss Ronald Koeman claimed on Tuesday that the centre-back told him before leaving for his summer holidays that he wanted to return to the south coast club.

 

And Saints sources also claim Alderweireld has been messaging their players over the last few weeks to say he is looking forward to reporting back ahead of next season.