Shroppie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 52 on Tapatalk here I'm in the 256 camp Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Saint Charlie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 (edited) If he signs for them because he wanted to then fair play. I hope Reed et al can hold their heads high and feel they did everything possible to wrap up the deal between the end of the season and now. If so then fine. We knew how valuable he was to us, so expect we have made multiple bids from as soon as the season ended, as it was clear for a few months that AM were not going to sell for the (ludicrously low) clause amount. Assuming we did that, then there was nothing more we could, so we should admit it is a big blow, and then move on. Edited 7 July, 2015 by Saint Charlie
Mouldy Coat Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 and so a season of watching and moaning about Yoshidas lack of quality awaits. Ha ha agreed but I'd be very surprised if Koeman felt that Yoshida would be adequate as first choice centre back. Distribution score ZERO
ivangolac Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Anyone close to Spurs media wise - ''It's all agreed, all positive with Spurs'' anyone remotely close to Toby, i.e his flaming father ''It's not agreed, nothing is concrete'' So much unquoted stuff as well, easily can be plucked from the air. The only quoted stuff has been from his father. I mean, the line ''He can fly home from London more easily'' is one of the pointless reasons to justify a move. I'd love to know who is feeding them, as it's not as close to the truth as people believe - IMO. Levy will lose a lot of face if he doesnt sign for them after all this posturing Id love it if he signed for us now !
Shroppie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Been in a meeting all day, any actual news? Many assertions, no news or facts. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Plastic Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Many assertions, no news or facts. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Nice. Let me add my 2p Surely no news is good news? Being as he was apparently having a medical at Spurs yesterday, and that it was 'all done bar the shouting'... Seems to have been a bit of a delay in presenting the player?
Bucks Saint Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Nice. Let me add my 2p Surely no news is good news? Being as he was apparently having a medical at Spurs yesterday, and that it was 'all done bar the shouting'... Seems to have been a bit of a delay in presenting the player? This. Someone said they were just waiting to take photos of him signing, early this PM. That damn camera must be pretty faulty.
CB Fry Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 52 on Tapatalk here Scrolling gets in the way of trolling.
Saint Matty 76 Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 No news is depending on who you believe. Guardian is currently saying that the deal is done and Les Reed is agreeing a settlement with Atletico before it can be confirmed.
trousers Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 and so a season of watching and moaning about Yoshidas lack of quality awaits. Or, Yoshida has a stonking season and everyone has a bit of a chuckle at a panic laden thread about Toby back in July 2015....
trousers Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Scrolling gets in the way of trolling. I couldn't possibly comment...
Shroppie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Nice. Let me add my 2p Surely no news is good news? Being as he was apparently having a medical at Spurs yesterday, and that it was 'all done bar the shouting'... Seems to have been a bit of a delay in presenting the player? That's the optimist's take on it. Les Reed is believed to have gone out to sort things. Spurs look like they've gone through all the motions of signing a player and claiming all done (even medical, but that's questionable) without the final confirmation. They're putting pressure on AM. Why aren't they confirming? Because Saints have made a better bid, maybe, and accepting that would make the legals go away. But p!ss off Spurs big time. IMO, they can't confirm until Saints agree to give up and just take compo. And hopefully we won't. And AM wouldn't do as well out of that. And what does Toby want? Allegedly a club, any club. I don't believe the fat lady has even started clearing her throat. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
Saint_Abroad Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 This. Someone said they were just waiting to take photos of him signing, early this PM. That damn camera must be pretty faulty. Levy's a big hipster and likes to use old timey cameras. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get a flash bulb for these things?
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 That's the optimist's take on it. Les Reed is believed to have gone out to sort things. Spurs look like they've gone through all the motions of signing a player and claiming all done (even medical, but that's questionable) without the final confirmation. They're putting pressure on AM. Why aren't they confirming? Because Saints have made a better bid, maybe, and accepting that would make the legals go away. But p!ss off Spurs big time. IMO, they can't confirm until Saints agree to give up and just take compo. And hopefully we won't. And AM wouldn't do as well out of that. And what does Toby want? Allegedly a club, any club. I don't believe the fat lady has even started clearing her throat. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk Have they gone through all the motions though? It's been played out in the media without any proper quotes, the only 'proper' quotes we've had are from Tobys father (who is also his agent) - who says nothing is happening at the moment. What the same media people have been saying is that Tottenham want to rush the deal through before any legal wranglings can take effect, and just leave it with us and AM to sort out. They don't see themselves connected to it what so ever. So....why the delay? Why are the same media outlets now claiming they're waiting for us to settle with AM? that is surely irrelevant to them? I've said it all along, but I don't feel that this is as cut as dried as all claim. He's as likely to sign for us as he is for Spurs. Not in the know what so ever, it's just how I feel on it.
CB Fry Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 No news is depending on who you believe. Guardian is currently saying that the deal is done and Les Reed is agreeing a settlement with Atletico before it can be confirmed. That Guardian piece seems pretty unequivocal to me. Very difficult to see how he is going to end up anywhere else other than Spurs now. Balls.
Shroppie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Have they gone through all the motions though? It's been played out in the media without any proper quotes, the only 'proper' quotes we've had are from Tobys father (who is also his agent) - who says nothing is happening at the moment. What the same media people have been saying is that Tottenham want to rush the deal through before any legal wranglings can take effect, and just leave it with us and AM to sort out. They don't see themselves connected to it what so ever. So....why the delay? Why are the same media outlets now claiming they're waiting for us to settle with AM? that is surly irrelevant to them? I've said it all along, but I don't feel that this is as cut as dried as all claim. He's as likely to sign for us as he is for Spurs. Not in the know what so ever, it's just how I feel on it. That's pretty well my take on things. And I couldn't be less ITK Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
CB Fry Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Have they gone through all the motions though? It's been played out in the media without any proper quotes, the only 'proper' quotes we've had are from Tobys father (who is also his agent) - who says nothing is happening at the moment. What the same media people have been saying is that Tottenham want to rush the deal through before any legal wranglings can take effect, and just leave it with us and AM to sort out. They don't see themselves connected to it what so ever. So....why the delay? Why are the same media outlets now claiming they're waiting for us to settle with AM? that is surely irrelevant to them? I've said it all along, but I don't feel that this is as cut as dried as all claim. He's as likely to sign for us as he is for Spurs. Not in the know what so ever, it's just how I feel on it. If (if) he has had a medical at Spurs then that feels to me like it's over. You can't force someone to have a medical at a club they don't want to join. Even if, at best, he is ambivalent about joining Spurs then still no real pressing need to have a medical. I think I am now firmly in the "he's gawn" camp.
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 If (if) he has had a medical at Spurs then that feels to me like it's over. You can't force someone to have a medical at a club they don't want to join. Even if, at best, he is ambivalent about joining Spurs then still no real pressing need to have a medical. I think I am now firmly in the "he's gawn" camp. It's very much an If, for sure. But I've seen things happen before, player set to sign/medical etc and then he's snatched away (John Halls being one of our examples..). I personally don't even think he's had a medical though, I doubt he's even in the country.
Saint Charlie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 It's very much an If, for sure. But I've seen things happen before, player set to sign/medical etc and then he's snatched away (John Halls being one of our examples..). I personally don't even think he's had a medical though, I doubt he's even in the country. Loads of sources have said he has had a medical. Hard to know for sure but would be almost all media sources being wrong. Could be the case of course, but if the situation were reversed, we as Saints fans would be very confident of signing the player when virtually all sources report it as imminent. Its an odd situation allround, but too much noise to say its still 50/50 I think.
Bucks Saint Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 That Guardian piece seems pretty unequivocal to me. Very difficult to see how he is going to end up anywhere else other than Spurs now. Balls. Have you not been following this thread, pre and post Sky's breaking news and his agent's quote? Jeez
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Loads of sources have said he has had a medical. Hard to know for sure but would be almost all media sources being wrong. Could be the case of course, but if the situation were reversed, we as Saints fans would be very confident of signing the player when virtually all sources report it as imminent. Its an odd situation allround, but too much noise to say its still 50/50 I think. But the same media sources are also saying deal agreed, when his father has come out and said it isn't. And also svenclaes on twitter is worth listening to.
Shroppie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Loads of sources have said he has had a medical. Most of them quoting each other. Sent from my D6503 using Tapatalk
doddisalegend Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 No news is depending on who you believe. Guardian is currently saying that the deal is done and Les Reed is agreeing a settlement with Atletico before it can be confirmed. The Guardian being trumped by Toby's dad, this afternoon, saying no deals have been reached with anyone.
doddisalegend Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Loads of sources have said he has had a medical. Hard to know for sure but would be almost all media sources being wrong. Could be the case of course, but if the situation were reversed, we as Saints fans would be very confident of signing the player when virtually all sources report it as imminent. Its an odd situation allround, but too much noise to say its still 50/50 I think. Considering how quickly photos of Clyne's Medical appeared all over the internet I'm pretty sure someone would have snapped a picture of Toby having a medical in London today if it had happened.
thorpie the sinner Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 especially as Toby was apparently in Paris today lol!!!!! actually his wife did the medical and posted it on youtube for the TFHC doctors! They are just waiting for it to upload!
CB Fry Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Have you not been following this thread, pre and post Sky's breaking news and his agent's quote? Jeez Nah, well behind it. Cant keep up on a work day. FWIW, I'm less convinced by the Dad/agent thing vs every media outlet saying he's had a medical. I'm resigned now.
trousers Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Most of them quoting each other. This. One 'source' repeated exponentially. (That's not to say the root source wasn't correct of course. It may well be.)
Saint Charlie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 But the same media sources are also saying deal agreed, when his father has come out and said it isn't. And also svenclaes on twitter is worth listening to. I know, some good sources saying its not done, I just mean the sheer volume of outlets in different countries saying it is very close suggest there has to be truth in it. Key questions for me (although will probably never know): 1. Why did SFC choose to leak the legal action stuff when they did? 2. Were Saints almost being too clever hiding behind the clause? 3. Had Reed been out to Madrid to try and do the deal before Levy went? Surely we should have been trying to get a deal done the minute the season ended? Toby said he wanted to stay and AM didnt want him and needed the cash. If they didnt want to do a deal at the 6.8m fee did we offer them more to get it done then?* Just has a feeling of being gazumped a bit, which given our position and the importance of the player, does suprise me. We are the ones scrambling around, which isn't like us. * hopefully we did, not saying we didn't - just putting it out there.
Saint Charlie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Considering how quickly photos of Clyne's Medical appeared all over the internet I'm pretty sure someone would have snapped a picture of Toby having a medical in London today if it had happened. Good point.
doddisalegend Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 This. One 'source' repeated exponentially. (That's not to say the root source wasn't correct of course. It may well be.) You're not suggesting that when the esteemed British Media say "our sources believe" they've just nicked some random tweet of the net and made an article out of it are you.....I'm shocked, shocked I say
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Of course we've been talking with Madrid, probably for a good few months. But I think they've made the whole situation a lot more complicated than it should have been. There is a volume coming out, but as alluded to above...they're all quoting each other, or re-hashing stuff from a few weeks back to bulk up a story. I'm not denying there is Spurs interest, but if it was as close as these media outlets were claiming, then we'd have had something a little bit more substantial by now. (it was supposed to be completed over the weekend, and then he was supposed to have a medical tomorrow...and then it was today......etc etc)
Saint Charlie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Of course we've been talking with Madrid, probably for a good few months. But I think they've made the whole situation a lot more complicated than it should have been. There is a volume coming out, but as alluded to above...they're all quoting each other, or re-hashing stuff from a few weeks back to bulk up a story. I'm not denying there is Spurs interest, but if it was as close as these media outlets were claiming, then we'd have had something a little bit more substantial by now. (it was supposed to be completed over the weekend, and then he was supposed to have a medical tomorrow...and then it was today......etc etc) Very true, but why have Spurs even become a factor. Atleti didnt want the player, so could it not have been done a lot sooner? They would have accepted the right offer I would imagine a month ago. I'm sure there are talks, but they don't get you a player. For some reason Spurs seem to have found it relatively easy to deal with them, possibly because they paid what he is worth without too much hassle whereas we waited until the clause expired maybe. Who knows?
Stud mark of doom Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 it was easy then, we trod on everyone like liverpool do to us If liverpool have trodden on us, we must be an upturned plug - or at least a bit of lego.
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Very true, but why have Spurs even become a factor. Atleti didnt want the player, so could it not have been done a lot sooner? They would have accepted the right offer I would imagine a month ago. I'm sure there are talks, but they don't get you a player. For some reason Spurs seem to have found it relatively easy to deal with them, possibly because they paid what he is worth without too much hassle whereas we waited until the clause expired maybe. Who knows? You're assuming that they were easy to deal with, is there even a deal agreed? No one knows. What I remember reading, again...direct quotes..., came from his father at the end of the season. ''Atletcio want him back, and they will decide from there'' - so it wasn't ever as easy for us to just do a deal in January, or before the season ended. Atlecio seemingly wanted to talk to the player, and...maybe use him as bait in some other deals, seeing as they had no money.
bilbot79 Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 That Guardian piece seems pretty unequivocal to me. Very difficult to see how he is going to end up anywhere else other than Spurs now. Balls. Guardian source is Toby's friends. His dad/agent trumps that
dubai_phil Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 1) An ex boss of mone who is Belgian & a football fan is in Paris for work, went down for Breakfat & saw TA & his wife this morning. (Make of that what you will, but he was at the 98 WC final and arranged a sales meeting so we could watch Holland v Russia at the Amsterdam Arena). 2) To cheer you all up - while Spuds have been distracted looks like Chelski have screwed them over so they MAY have to play their home game in MK Dons Stadium. (Maybe why TA has delayed things ) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3151830/Chelsea-offer-11m-year-use-Wembley-three-years-Stamford-Bridge-rebuilt-2017.html Chelsea have offered £11million a year to use Wembley Stadium as a temporary home while Stamford Bridge is redeveloped - stealing a march on London rivals Tottenham.Spurs, who will need a venue for one year from 2017 while their new place is built, are believed to have offered £8m a year to use the national stadium. But, according to The Times, Chelsea have outbid them in an effort to secure use of Wembley for three seasons, most likely from the beginning of the 2017-18 campaign. +8 Chelsea take on Tottenham in last season's Capital One Cup final at Wembley - both clubs wish to use the national stadium as a temporary venue while their grounds are rebuilt in a few years' time +8 Wembley Stadium could be used for Chelsea games with a restriction on capacity to 50,000 CHELSEA'S NEW STADIUM September Chelsea will hold formal public consultation on plans to redevelop Stamford Bridge into 60,000-capacity venue December Blues expected to lodge planning permission application with Hammersmith and Fulham Council Summer 2016 Planning permission could be granted August 2017-2019 or 2020 Chelsea would play at temporary venue while Stamford Bridge is redeveloped August 2020 Chelsea would start playing in new home Neither Premier League team would be able to use Wembley to its full 90,000 capacity because of restrictions on the number of events that can be held at the iconic north London stadium each year. But, as revealed last month by Sportsmail, these restrictions can be circumvented if the attendance is no higher than 50,000 - equivalent to keeping Wembley's top tier closed off. The Wembley board is under pressure from the Premier League to allow either Chelsea or Tottenham use of the stadium but they must consider the knock-on effect on other sporting and music events and the revenue they generate. Chelsea revealed architects' impressions of a new 60,000-capacity Stamford Bridge stadium last week with the design inspired by the buttresses, pillars and gothic architecture of Westminster Abbey. Owner Roman Abramovich wants their new home, which will cost in excess of £500m to realise, to be a cathedral of football and close attention has been paid to making the designs as true to Chelsea's heritage as possible. 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Saint Charlie Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 You're assuming that they were easy to deal with, is there even a deal agreed? No one knows. What I remember reading, again...direct quotes..., came from his father at the end of the season. ''Atletcio want him back, and they will decide from there'' - so it wasn't ever as easy for us to just do a deal in January, or before the season ended. Atlecio seemingly wanted to talk to the player, and...maybe use him as bait in some other deals, seeing as they had no money. Again all fair enough. Its a cut-throat business, just in the same way we gazumped Stoke for Cedric, and always the risk with a quality loan player. As I said, as long as Reed et al have their heads held high in the knowledge they did everything they could then fair enough, you can't force anyone to sign.
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Guardian source is Toby's friends. His dad/agent trumps that Yeah, but that Toby's friends stuff is re-hashed from back in May. That was superseded the next day by a story in de telegraaf saying that he'd told Madrid he wanted to join us.
CB Fry Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Guardian source is Toby's friends. His dad/agent trumps that Seriously? All he says is a very vague "no concrete agreement yet" - classic politician's answer. I wouldn't expect him to say anything else.
Batman Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 This i think is why the club are even more determined to get Toby, Cause it is getting one over a so called top 6 team. what does 'so called top 6 team' mean? spurs are very much a top 6 side. you cant get a better definition of an English top 6 side. they are bigger, better and richer than saints. Just accept it. we have closed that gap but we still have some way to go
Saint_Ash Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Nah, well behind it. Cant keep up on a work day. FWIW, I'm less convinced by the Dad/agent thing vs every media outlet saying he's had a medical. I'm resigned now. Shame, you missed classic alpine meltdown!
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Has Spurs new stadium been designed by Saab
S-Clarke Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 To be fair, a summer on here wouldn't be complete without a transfer saga. Last year we had all the departures and Marcos Rojo, the year before it was the long-winded Osvaldo-fest, the year before that it was the never-ending Gaston-saga, the year before that we had Amar Jemal. And possibly Jack Cork iirc, as he was going to Forest for a day...and then signed with us the next day.
bilbot79 Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Yeah, but that Toby's friends stuff is re-hashed from back in May. That was superseded the next day by a story in de telegraaf saying that he'd told Madrid he wanted to join us. He said they are talking right and left. It means toby will sign for whoever wins the war
Monk Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Southampton have made contact with Atleti, no response as of 15:00 today. Toby agent has spoken to Spurs, that's an absolute minimum. Saints are not giving up but do not know how far along any deal between Spurs & Toby currently is, a particular club official has been very busy today trying to get this done.
Appy Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Southampton have made contact with Atleti, no response as of 15:00 today. Toby agent has spoken to Spurs, that's an absolute minimum. Saints are not giving up but do not know how far along any deal between Spurs & Toby currently is, a particular club official has been very busy today trying to get this done. Much appreciated.
trousers Posted 7 July, 2015 Posted 7 July, 2015 Southampton have made contact with Atleti, no response as of 15:00 today. Toby agent has spoken to Spurs, that's an absolute minimum. Saints are not giving up but do not know how far along any deal between Spurs & Toby currently is, a particular club official has been very busy today trying to get this done. Cheers for the update Monk. Sounds like we're still in the race then?
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