Wes Tender Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Well that goes against Monk's reports... Maybe it is a delegate rather than a delegation. Or perhaps we have sent over the bailiffs.
beatlesaint Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Well that goes against Monk's reports... I'm hoping Mr Blackmore has got that wrong and Les is flying out tomorrow to sort this mess out !
Plastic Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Hopefully this means that any profits over and above the agreed £6.8m will be awarded to us, on top of the additional £1.5m. In reality, we will probably just be awarded the original £1.5m, in 18 months time, which will just about cover our legal fees.
Trout-Tickler Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 What a bloody palaver! Let's get it sorted one way or the another as it's all getting quite tedious!!
Saint-Armstrong Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 As said in the other thread... Blackmore speaking to Koeman before press conference.
wild-saint Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Hopefully this means that any profits over and above the agreed £6.8m will be awarded to us, on top of the additional £1.5m. In reality, we will probably just be awarded the original £1.5m, in 18 months time, which will just about cover our legal fees. Although if it went to court they would likely recover costs plus any award if successful I would of thought.
Trout-Tickler Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 As said in the other thread... Blackmore speaking to Koeman before press conference. If it is in the hands of the lawyers don't expect he'll be able to say much about it.
Mallagroth Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Spurs best and apparent tactic is to rush Toby through the medical and get his signature on to paper asap before any injunction or block can be applied.
simo Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Southampton expect and Southampton expected are 2 different things all together
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 from Twitter... Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport 1m1 minute ago Just to add to last night's #saintsfc Toby story - reports saying Saints have sent over a delegation to Madrid are wide of the mark That doesn't tell us anything really though. Does that mean its not a delegation, just one person?
the_emu Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 As said in the other thread... Blackmore speaking to Koeman before press conference. It's the rare occasion where I think everyone is more interested in what Les and Ralph have to say.
Barry the Badger Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 That doesn't tell us anything really though. Does that mean its not a delegation, just one person? We just sent Ralph.
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Spurs best and apparent tactic is to rush Toby through the medical and get his signature on to paper asap before any injunction or block can be applied. Yep, that's what I reckon they'll try to do.
Pancake Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Yep, that's what I reckon they'll try to do. And honestly if they do it's obvious TA wants to go there, so let him go and then sue AM. Really don't want a player here who doesn't want to be here.
Saint_clark Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Southampton expect and Southampton expected are 2 different things all together Yeah, Saints also expected Clyne to sign a new contract.
beatlesaint Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 And honestly if they do it's obvious TA wants to go there, so let him go and then sue AM. Really don't want a player here who doesn't want to be here. If Toby wants to go there why would Saints be wasting time and energy threatening legal action for a player who is going to say "no thanks" to them at the end of the day ? That makes no sense.
Batman Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 If Toby wants to go there why would Saints be wasting time and energy threatening legal action for a player who is going to say "no thanks" to them at the end of the day ? That makes no sense. Just to get the compensation maybe? According to reports, Toby is definitely in London today for his medical at Spurs. Look forward to seeing the pictures/video clip of him wandering around with his little wash bag etc
angelman Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Yeah, Saints also expected Clyne to sign a new contract. I'm not sure they did. More hope/d but it was fairly obvious that that wasn't going to happen.
VectisSaint Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 I've got it on, and they never said anything of the sort? Unless I've gone deaf. It was being shown running at the foot of the screen most of last evening. Thought it a bit odd considering everyone else was saying he was signing for Spuds.
Saint_clark Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 I'm not sure they did. More hope/d but it was fairly obvious that that wasn't going to happen. There were lots of quotes from Reed and Koeman saying they were confident he was going to sign. That sounds more like expecting that hoping.
Pancake Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 If Toby wants to go there why would Saints be wasting time and energy threatening legal action for a player who is going to say "no thanks" to them at the end of the day ? That makes no sense. That I honestly don't understand, but maybe Ralph and Kat are sticklers for "doing the right thing" and feel aggrieved by what AM are trying to pull; so even though they know all is lost they want to prove a point. Maybe they feel we can get Toby here and loan him directly to Spurs for this season, making us some money and holding AM to the contract.
dubai_phil Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 FFS this forum is so totally obsessed with Golf, you're now quoting big golf stories in the middle of the #tobygate thread. Trousers? WTF mate? As for Toby - we are clearly fighting for him and will clearly have plan B ready to go. A sneaky part of me is quietly looking forward to reading all the spurs fans moaning about who the hell is this Gardos bloke? How did we miss out on him? 12mil for a bloke who's only played 12 times this season? Didn't we check if he had dodgy hamstrings? Or of course I'll get his name on the back of my shirt when I next get back after we blitz then and complete the deal....
sotonist Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Skacel clause? You will have to educate me here I'm afraid... that will use up my third post then. i'll try not to leave any gaps. We opened negotiations with Skacel when he was a Marseille player at the tail end of a loan to Hearts. GeorgeBurley, the manager who brought him on loan to hearts from Marseille and his chief scout had joined us and Skacel was determined to join us rather than Hearts. Hearts triggered a clause in their loan contract (which I have dubbed the Skacel clause), acquiring Skacel. Skacel reportedly had agreed a permanent contract at the outset of the contract so he became their player automatically when their right to buy was exercised. We were then forced to negotiate with Hearts over a permanent transfer. It is to date the only example of this kind of deal structure that I am aware of. Given the number of times i've brought this up on various forums over the years I would have expected other examples to surface by now. Happy to be corrected on anything if i've got it wrong, but obviously i'll be unable to respond. I thought we were told Les was going on tuesday.
ericofarabia Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Just to get the compensation maybe? According to reports, Toby is definitely in London today for his medical at Spurs. Look forward to seeing the pictures/video clip of him wandering around with his little wash bag etc Do we still hand out Eterna Watches to newbies .... surely nobody could resist getting one of those when signing on, somebody get the message to him on what he is missing out on.
Pancake Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 that will use up my third post then. i'll try not to leave any gaps. We opened negotiations with Skacel when he was a Marseille player at the tail end of a loan to Hearts. GeorgeBurley, the manager who brought him on loan to hearts from Marseille and his chief scout had joined us and Skacel was determined to join us rather than Hearts. Hearts triggered a clause in their loan contract (which I have dubbed the Skacel clause), acquiring Skacel. Skacel reportedly had agreed a permanent contract at the outset of the contract so he became their player automatically when their right to buy was exercised. We were then forced to negotiate with Hearts over a permanent transfer. It is to date the only example of this kind of deal structure that I am aware of. Given the number of times i've brought this up on various forums over the years I would have expected other examples to surface by now. Happy to be corrected on anything if i've got it wrong, but obviously i'll be unable to respond. I thought we were told Les was going on tuesday. Brilliant thanks. That does ring a bell, must have parked that info.
SO16_Saint Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Heard from a source who has been right in the past that things are still very much in our favour, spurs are not favourites. We should have him on the bus by Thursday.
beavis17 Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Heard from a source who has been right in the past that things are still very much in our favour, spurs are not favourites. We should have him on the bus by Thursday. Hope you're right.
Hodgey Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Chaps - it looks 95% certain he's gone to Spurs. He would have known we were still interested so if he really wanted to join us would have waited - looks like he preferred the spurs option - no doubt with the Belgium contingent there already saying how great it is. No legal threats are now going to end up with Toby at SFC, best case scenario is that we get a couple of million out of AM. Very annoying for many reasons, not least the fact that we seem to have wasted a lot of time on this and may have missed other targets. Good news is that whilst spurs will no doubt know the other CBs on our list, I'm assuming they will not bother with them now. Regarding Toby - I'm hoping he ends up regretting his choice and becomes a 3rd choice CB again on the bench for a team that win nothing. Not that I have anything against him, but if that is the case then it proves he made the wrong decision. I'm also hoping we don't bother releasing anything else to the press - think it was a huge mistake doing so and really can't see how it helps our standing.
DT Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Just to get the compensation maybe? According to reports, Toby is definitely in London today for his medical at Spurs. Look forward to seeing the pictures/video clip of him wandering around with his little wash bag etc With that hair his washbag is 'expected' to be absolutely humungous.
Delboy Dave Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Heard from a source who has been right in the past that things are still very much in our favour, spurs are not favourites. We should have him on the bus by Thursday. Chaps - it looks 95% certain he's gone to Spurs. :-)
wild-saint Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Chaps - it looks 95% certain he's gone to Spurs. He would have known we were still interested so if he really wanted to join us would have waited - looks like he preferred the spurs option - no doubt with the Belgium contingent there already saying how great it is. No legal threats are now going to end up with Toby at SFC, best case scenario is that we get a couple of million out of AM. Very annoying for many reasons, not least the fact that we seem to have wasted a lot of time on this and may have missed other targets. Good news is that whilst spurs will no doubt know the other CBs on our list, I'm assuming they will not bother with them now. Regarding Toby - I'm hoping he ends up regretting his choice and becomes a 3rd choice CB again on the bench for a team that win nothing. Not that I have anything against him, but if that is the case then it proves he made the wrong decision. I'm also hoping we don't bother releasing anything else to the press - think it was a huge mistake doing so and really can't see how it helps our standing. Why does it look 95% certain? Has he been seen at THFC for a medical this morning?
DT Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Why does it look 95% certain? Has he been seen at THFC for a medical this morning? Great news! It was 99% earlier! ;-)
SO16_Saint Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 :-) I did see that and have a chuckle to myself God knows, will wait til he's wearing the watch or holding their shirt !!
OldNick Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 As much as anything it is principle. AM had an agreement that was in writing and a contract. if they have indeed broken it, why should our club shrug its shoulders and walk away. Spurs are at present one of our nearest rivals, to allow them to steal a march on us by potentially weakening us and them getting stronger is no good to us.
brett24 Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Standard reporting Toby will be signed by Spurs this PM. It's going to happen unless Toby blocks it which it clearly looks like he isn't going to do.
Shance Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Looking more and more likely that Spurs are going to sign him regardless of our dispute. Pretty annoying really as Toby is a top player.
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 As much as anything it is principle. AM had an agreement that was in writing and a contract. if they have indeed broken it, why should our club shrug its shoulders and walk away. Spurs are at present one of our nearest rivals, to allow them to steal a march on us by potentially weakening us and them getting stronger is no good to us. It seems that's some clubs don't have the same principles as us. Ultimately it doesn't matter if we are morally in the right if it means we miss out on the player.
Mallagroth Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Standard reporting Toby will be signed by Spurs this PM. It's going to happen unless Toby blocks it which it clearly looks like he isn't going to do. I'll be massively disappointed in Toby if he goes ahead with Levy plans to rush the deal through within 24 hours of questioning legality of the contract. It shows massive disrespect and lack of integrity after spending time with the club for a season. I have no issue with him going to spuds if that's what he wants but in due course not just in the back of Levy's van at top speed before we argue our point or get to offer him an improved wages contract. Hope Koeman picks up the phone to Toby and tells him we will pay him more than spurs and to get his arse down Staplewood.
rick1976.4.38 Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 **** him,let him go to spurs,we move on as per normal,hopefully do them in the league for achange, I really do hate spuds
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 wouldn't take anything written in the standard as informed, its a cut & paste job
ericofarabia Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 wouldn't take anything written in the standard as informed, its a cut & paste job London's version of The Echo!!
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Ive pretty much conceded he will go to Spurs. To many reports about medical and his preference to join Spurs for it to be BS in my opinion. So gutting to see him go to Spurs. Hopefully Saints plan B will be worthwhile. Need to get new faces on board before Morgan departs otherwise it will be pretty disheartening.
Leicestersaint Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Have 'Southampton bungled it' as I see one Spurs headline is saying? Have we applied for an injunction to stop this going ahead until things are sorted out?
Soggy Bottom Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 http://www.soccernews.nl/news/321045/southampton_heeft_verdediger_fc_twente_bijna_binnen Plan B ?
beavis17 Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 http://www.soccernews.nl/news/321045/southampton_heeft_verdediger_fc_twente_bijna_binnen Plan B ? A very underwhelming Plan B if true.
exit2 Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Tobys intentions were always to get a a perm deal at Saints to the point that his initial property rental agreement was for a year as per his deal. When he didnt now what was happening he increased the agreement for an additional 6 months so that he did get to stay in the house he loves guaranteed. Now 6 months rent to a PL player is nothing but this does proves to me he did want to stay. Now the only issue here is wages. If THFC have agreed the £11.5m and then offer Toby £100k a week do you really think he is going to stay?
Batman Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Where is this £100k a week coming from regarding Spurs?
Colinjb Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 (edited) Where is this £100k a week coming from regarding Spurs? It's just a figure plucked from the air as an example of something we cannot compete with, it's not been quoted. Edited 6 July, 2015 by Colinjb
Ashby Saint Posted 6 July, 2015 Posted 6 July, 2015 Ive pretty much conceded he will go to Spurs. To many reports about medical and his preference to join Spurs for it to be BS in my opinion. So gutting to see him go to Spurs. Hopefully Saints plan B will be worthwhile. Need to get new faces on board before Morgan departs otherwise it will be pretty disheartening. But a lot of the internet chatter is one report that gets repeated several hundred times. It seems the original comment was something like. Q: "Would it be good if you could play along side your compatriot Jan Vertonghen (sp.)?" A: "Yes, it would be great." Cue although Spurs fans saying that they are the preferred destination.
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