LeBizzier69 Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 SSN transfer feed reporting: SPURS IN FOR ALDERWEIRELD Tottenham are to hold talks with Atletico Madrid over a move for Toby Alderweireld, according to Sky sources Nothing new there I suppose....
Saint_Tony Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 It's not new, the bid was put in last tuesday. As far as I'm aware Toby is yet to meet Spurs officials and it is far from a done deal. I have no idea what we are doing but clearly we want him too. This may drag on a while Sent from my D5803 using Tapatalk
Saint Charlie Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Quite possible that we are baulking at paying virtually double the fee that was in the clause last summer.
angelman Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 He's on €5m a year at AM. And with their tax laws (the "Beckham" Law) I believe but might be wrong that that equates to a rate of 24.75%. Back of the fag packet maths, converting into Sterling and accounting for a higher tax rate, to earn the same amount, he would need to be paid about £85-90k a week. Spurs can do that. Can we?
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Quite possible that we are baulking at paying virtually double the fee that was in the clause last summer. Maybe we just can't afford it. I can understand that - there isn't much money about.
Saint_Ash Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Quite possible that we are baulking at paying virtually double the fee that was in the clause last summer. I think there's a limit we're willing to bid and if Spurs know it then they just bid more. The club will look at it with less emotion than us fans and will take into account his injury record when thinking about a valuation. If we miss out on him I have faith the club will bring someone else in who can do a job.
SaintsIRL Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Levy has gone over personally to seal the deal. Worst thing is he's a master at negotiating, bet Spurs get him for £12-13m. Looks like that ship has sailed. Ashley Williams anyone? Was talk of Palace making a bid, doubt he'd go to them but to us? Maybe he'd be tempted. Just hope we don't pick up Vlaar (Dutch connection) on a free, decent player but so slow, wouldn't suit us.
Saint Charlie Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 I think there's a limit we're willing to bid and if Spurs know it then they just bid more. The club will look at it with less emotion than us fans and will take into account his injury record when thinking about a valuation. If we miss out on him I have faith the club will bring someone else in who can do a job. Agree. Would just have prefered him to stay at AM or go to Chelsea over Spurs. If he goes there he will improve their defence a lot.
Saint Charlie Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Levy has gone over personally to seal the deal. Worst thing is he's a master at negotiating, bet Spurs get him for £12-13m. Looks like that ship has sailed. Ashley Williams anyone? Was talk of Palace making a bid, doubt he'd go to them but to us? Maybe he'd be tempted. Just hope we don't pick up Vlaar (Dutch connection) on a free, decent player but so slow, wouldn't suit us. We have already bid for Juve's Ogbonna apparently.
Beckenham Saint Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Levy has gone over personally to seal the deal. Worst thing is he's a master at negotiating, bet Spurs get him for £12-13m. Looks like that ship has sailed. Ashley Williams anyone? Was talk of Palace making a bid, doubt he'd go to them but to us? Maybe he'd be tempted. Just hope we don't pick up Vlaar (Dutch connection) on a free, decent player but so slow, wouldn't suit us. I imagine our scouts aren't only looking at the BPL for prospective replacements.
DT Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Is keen to move to a 'bigger club' says Mirror. As they talk about him going to Spurs.
LeBizzier69 Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 SSN are giving it a fair bit of coverage, coming up after the current break apparently. Yes, I know that doesn't mean much but still getting a little more concerning.
Asaint4ever Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 This is the one I'm gonna be most gutted about. So sad :-(
ART Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 We have ourselves to blame for believing we'd get Alderweireld on the cheap. Had we doubled our initial deal in January and bought him, Athletico would have probably accepted our offer. Now we're about to lose out on one of the best players we had play fore us in recent years. Had Toby not indicated he was interested in joining Spurs, Levy would never be have stepped in and tried to sign him. You just can't believe players saying they want to stay at Saints when they diddle daddle on signing up. Ryan Bertrand is to be congratulated for his instant decision to join the club permanently. So much for Les Reed's cloud cuckoo land proclamations on contracts. Just a repeat this year of last years delusions.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 All the noise seems to be about Spurs so it's looking like they're going to win this one unless Toby is so dead set on joining us.
View From The Top Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 'Kin hell, do you muppets believe everything peddled by the London media and SSN whether good or bad?
Shance Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Nothing's happened yet. We still want him. Keep the faith.
merrimd Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 We have ourselves to blame for believing we'd get Alderweireld on the cheap. Had we doubled our initial deal in January and bought him, Athletico would have probably accepted our offer. Now we're about to lose out on one of the best players we had play fore us in recent years. Had Toby not indicated he was interested in joining Spurs, Levy would never be have stepped in and tried to sign him. You just can't believe players saying they want to stay at Saints when they diddle daddle on signing up. Ryan Bertrand is to be congratulated for his instant decision to join the club permanently. So much for Les Reed's cloud cuckoo land proclamations on contracts. Just a repeat this year of last years delusions. Ryan signed because Chelsea wanted to sell to us. Toby hasnt yet because AM want to see other options. We were never in a position to buy him in January. If we were, i would put my house on us doing so.
Matthew Le God Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 1m1 minute ago #SaintsFC are negotiating with Atletico Madrid over Toby Alderweireld & are understood to be fairly confident of getting him ahead of #THFC
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Simon Peach @SimonPeach 1m1 minute ago #SaintsFC are negotiating with Atletico Madrid over Toby Alderweireld & are understood to be fairly confident of getting him ahead of #THFC This is good news but publicly we were confident that Clyne would sign a new deal and he didn't. I think it's 50:50.
Stu Man Do Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Levy has gone over personally to seal the deal. Worst thing is he's a master at negotiating, bet Spurs get him for £12-13m. Looks like that ship has sailed. Ashley Williams anyone? Was talk of Palace making a bid, doubt he'd go to them but to us? Maybe he'd be tempted. Just hope we don't pick up Vlaar (Dutch connection) on a free, decent player but so slow, wouldn't suit us. Master at negotiating? Got some stunning deals with the Bale money didn't he!? 26 m for Soldado? 16(?)m for Paulinho!
rallyboy Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Let's look for a positive - if Toby chooses us over Spurs he'll be an instant hero, an icon of the two-fingered salute to north London yobs and as such should go directly onto the banner - and if he doesn't, Madrid will be paying us compensation, but it'll be coming straight out of Levy's pocket and going into ours.
eelpie Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Let's look for a positive - if Toby chooses us over Spurs he'll be an instant hero, an icon of the two-fingered salute to north London yobs and as such should go directly onto the banner - and if he doesn't, Madrid will be paying us compensation, but it'll be coming straight out of Levy's pocket and going into ours. Was Mattie the last Saints player to turn Lukewarmspurs down?
St Chalet Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Was Mattie the last Saints player to turn Lukewarmspurs down? If you discount Lallana failing a medical there after his first strop. (Wonder if the TheVMan will deny that)
doddisalegend Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 If you discount Lallana failing a medical there after his first strop. (Wonder if the TheVMan will deny that) Really? Learn something new every day.
Saint_Ash Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 If you discount Lallana failing a medical there after his first strop. (Wonder if the TheVMan will deny that) Didn't he fail it due to his heart defect or something?
ErwinK1961 Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Didn't he fail it due to his heart defect or something? He had a heart murmur when he was younger, had surgery to correct it I believe
a1ex2001 Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 This story seems to be rumbling on and on, it looks to me like it will come down to two sums of money and one question of football: - What are we willing to pay Athletico and does that match other bids? - What are we willing to pay Toby in wages and is it comparable to other offers? - What European football can we offer? I think we will get there on the first one, he is certainly at the upper end of what we can afford but the club have shown in the last few years that 10-15 million is price we are willing to pay. The second one is tricky, we clearly cannot afford to match his Athletico salary it would smash our wage structure and no doubt trigger massive pay rises for players already on the books who would be pretty hacked off, but I don't think we need to necessarily we just need to get close enough to what other clubs offer that Toby is willing to accept it. It looks to me like his experience at Athletico has left him waiting to join a club where he knows he will play and be wanted and we are the only club who can say that is exactly what you'll get with anything to back it up. So for me if we get within 5-10K of what another comparable club ie spurs offer him then we are in with a chance. The final question is simple he won't come to us if a club with regular champs league football is in for him but we should be comparable to spurs etc on this regard.
krissyboy31 Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 The final question is simple he won't come to us if a club with regular champs league football is in for him but we should be comparable to spurs etc on this regard. Surely if that was a consideration he would stay in Madrid.
Midfield_General Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Guardian reporting that we've opened talks... http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/02/southampton-toby-alderweireld-atletico-madrid-spurs I guess Atletico listen to all offers, then if both clubs meet the valuation it will be up to Toby.
fez Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Guardian reporting that we've opened talks... http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/02/southampton-toby-alderweireld-atletico-madrid-spurs I guess Atletico listen to all offers, then if both clubs meet the valuation it will be up to Toby. All these stories are coming from PA / Simon Peach
Mr X Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 He will pick whoever offers the most in wages & transfer price that will be spurs on both accounts sadly
Giordano Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 I'm not sure if this has occurred to anyone else but if anyone here knows anything about cut-throat bidding wars sometimes competitors will bid up for something ( or in this case someone) just to get a business competitor to pay up much more than they really want to - just to F8ck them up for other deals down the line. If you watch "Storage Wars" on cable quite often guys bid up stuff they don't want just to empty the other guys pockets for other deals. Maybe Spurs are doing that to make sure we pay top dollar and top wages for Toby- and then not have much left for guys like Gianni or Classie for instance..Its not inconceivable we are doing that to them as well...as I've said earlier its a dirty business...
BigShadow Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 I'm not sure if this has occurred to anyone else but if anyone here knows anything about cut-throat bidding wars sometimes competitors will bid up for something ( or in this case someone) just to get a business competitor to pay up much more than they really want to - just to F8ck them up for other deals down the line. If you watch "Storage Wars" on cable quite often guys bid up stuff they don't want just to empty the other guys pockets for other deals. Maybe Spurs are doing that to make sure we pay top dollar and top wages for Toby- and then not have much left for guys like Gianni or Classie for instance..Its not inconceivable we are doing that to them as well...as I've said earlier its a dirty business... Never thought I'd see the bidding practices of 'Storage Wars' applied to the cunning negotiations of the football transfer window. I guess it is as they say......business is business.
St Chalet Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 From the brief ITK snippets I get from people associated with the club: Toby wants to join us, we want him, it depends on the price. Given that RK said this as well it gives me hope.
CanadaSaint Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 I hope we sign Toby but he's a player moving outside our corporate M.O. of "buy low, sell high." Following though on the loan deal arrangements made a ton of sense and represented real M.O.-value business. Paying twice that amount, and possibly more, especially for a player with possible durability issues when squad depth will always be an issue for us, doesn't. I have faith in the Black Box, so I'm fairly laid-back about this. I just hope it gets sorted soon, one way or the other. I'd rather he didn't go to WHL, though.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 I hope we sign Toby but he's a player moving outside our corporate M.O. of "buy low, sell high.". I don't believe that's our primary objective of signing players at all. I think we want to sign players who will get better and retain value, and Toby fits that bill for us. I think a big attraction to him is not only his outstanding performances for us last season, but also that he can cover several positions (not that I would want him to play anywhere other than centre back for us, but that is a debate for another day, perhaps if he signs).
DT Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 This is a huge signing for us. Could be very emblematic of our attitude to moving forward, especially given Spurs' interest (a club i think we can and should be better than)
angelman Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 From the brief ITK snippets I get from people associated with the club: Toby wants to join us, we want him, it depends on the price. Given that RK said this as well it gives me hope. Also, it has been stated that we have first refusal to discuss things. As we have taken this up (or seemingly so), anything Levy does is somewhat jumping the gun. But hey ho, this is the transfer window where you never know what/who to believe, so I just wait and see who trots out in a few weeks time.
a1ex2001 Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Surely if that was a consideration he would stay in Madrid. No because they won't play him and want shot of him.
Saint_Ash Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 (edited) This is a huge signing for us. Could be very emblematic of our attitude to moving forward, especially given Spurs' interest (a club i think we can and should be better than) LOLZ! Spurs fans aren't liking the arrogance of some the Saints fans, they may have a point. DT, you're mentioned in here! http://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/summer-2015-transfer-window-discussion-thread.13285/page-458 Edited 2 July, 2015 by Saint_Ash spelling
Batman Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 SPurs are a big club Not in the Arsenal, Liverpool, United bracket but bigger than us. I could understand it if he went to spurs. IF He did, I would like to think they would pay a price in terms of fee that we simply could not. Us getting him would be bigger for saints than it would be for spurs and would be one in the eye for them he is a brilliant, brilliant player. The sort of player we have to sign this summer to keep our push to break into the top 6...if we ever
hypochondriac Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Spurs are much bigger than saints but that doesn't mean we can't aspire to be better than them in the medium to long term. It will clearly be toby's choice and if he chooses spurs then I'll be disappointed but certainly won't blame the club.
Saint_Ash Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Give me top ten and a trophy any day of the year. That would be fantastic!
Gemmel Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Simon Peach @SimonPeach · 6h6 hours ago #SaintsFC are negotiating with Atletico Madrid over Toby Alderweireld & are understood to be fairly confident of getting him ahead of #THFC
ART Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 More reassuring view of the situation. Listen to the full interview. http://talksport.com/football/insider-trading-southampton-beat-tottenham-top-defender-plus-latest-man-uniteds
Daft Kerplunk Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Would be a good signal if we can get Toby to sign for us, if it is a straight choice for him between Spurs and us as on the pitch they are the team we can overtake. I think the next 5 will be difficult without a cash investment, bigger stadium to make more revenue etc. The appeal of being in London to the more rounded interested in culture international players cannot be understated either. If you've got money you want nice places to go and despite all the ridiculous 20 years out of date things said about Liverpool, that's a place that is richer than we are in terms of quality places to go, shop, hang-out, so Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd and City, Liverpool, Villa, Everton, Newcastle and even Bournemouth are ahead. Any investors out there want to make Southampton better by investing in some nice (non-chain) restaurants, bars, cafes etc. to make the city more attractive?
hypochondriac Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 Would be a good signal if we can get Toby to sign for us, if it is a straight choice for him between Spurs and us as on the pitch they are the team we can overtake. I think the next 5 will be difficult without a cash investment, bigger stadium to make more revenue etc. The appeal of being in London to the more rounded interested in culture international players cannot be understated either. If you've got money you want nice places to go and despite all the ridiculous 20 years out of date things said about Liverpool, that's a place that is richer than we are in terms of quality places to go, shop, hang-out, so Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd and City, Liverpool, Villa, Everton, Newcastle and even Bournemouth are ahead. Any investors out there want to make Southampton better by investing in some nice (non-chain) restaurants, bars, cafes etc. to make the city more attractive? I don't think Bournemouth is really much better than Southampton in terms of things to do.
Daft Kerplunk Posted 2 July, 2015 Posted 2 July, 2015 I don't think Bournemouth is really much better than Southampton in terms of things to do. But the lifestyle for someone wealthy is. That's the point.
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