1976_Child Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 (edited) Typical scouser or Noble Englishman involved in a bit of old fashioned fisty cuffs? Will he do bird if convicted? Joey Barton was convicted of EXACTLY the same offence (assault with affray) and sentenced to 6 months. No doubt the magistrate will be aware of the precedent involving prominent members of the footballing community. Certainly one of his mates should have told him to "Calm Down! Calm Down!" Hope he gets off. I have a lot of respect for Gerrard. And we need him in the national team in the spring. Edited 30 December, 2008 by 1976_Child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 There's no precedent because Joey Barton happens to be a footballer. It was also about the third time he'd been convicted of a similar offence if I recall correctly. Whether Gerrard gets sent down or not will depend on him being found guilty, for a start, and then on the extent of the other chap's injuries and whether there is any mitigation. To get bird for a first violent offence the injuries would have to be sufficient to constitute grievous bodily harm or there would have to be an aggravating factor such as use of a weapon. In short, unless you know the facts of what happened.... who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Post-it note Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 He will probably be fined a few quid, which is small change to him. I think any fines dished out by the courts should be proportinate to earnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 30 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 December, 2008 He will probably be fined a few quid, which is small change to him. I think any fines dished out by the courts should be proportinate to earnings. I agree. So long as the dosh goes to a charity and not into the government's pockets. If a bloke on £300 per week is fined £300 then someone on £120,000 a week should be fined £120,000. The interesting thing is, the bloke who got hit might sue Gerrard in the civil courts for his injuries. Could end up costing Stevie a lot of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Just looked on the Beeb and the charge is actual bodily harm (ie. minor cuts and bruises). If guilty he'll get a fine and/or community service and possibly a suspended sentence. If the bloke sues him he'll get bog all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 i got done for ABH about 6 years ago. was first offence, pleaded guilty, got £800 fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 30 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 December, 2008 If the bloke sues him he'll get bog all. He will still sell his "exclusive, sensational" story to the Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CabbageFace Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=7232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Surely he should be let off, it was a Manure fan afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 He will still sell his "exclusive, sensational" story to the Sun. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Good Luck to that DJ getting any work in Liverpool EVER again. Not to mention any scouse nutters out for a bit of 'revenge'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 30 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Good Luck to that DJ getting any work in Liverpool EVER again. Not to mention any scouse nutters out for a bit of 'revenge'. but he will be fully booked in Manchester for years to come!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Good Luck to that DJ getting any work in Liverpool EVER again. Not to mention any scouse nutters out for a bit of 'revenge'. Toffee side of the Hub Cap Steelers will welcome him with open arms;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 30 December, 2008 Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Surely he should be let off, it was a Manure fan afterall. Let off?!!!? He should be given a feckin MBE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 30 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 December, 2008 Let off?!!!? He should be given a feckin MBE!!! He is already an MBE. Should be knighted for lamping a manurista Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Bizzle Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 There's no precedent because Joey Barton happens to be a footballer. It was also about the third time he'd been convicted of a similar offence if I recall correctly. Whether Gerrard gets sent down or not will depend on him being found guilty, for a start, and then on the extent of the other chap's injuries and whether there is any mitigation. To get bird for a first violent offence the injuries would have to be sufficient to constitute grievous bodily harm or there would have to be an aggravating factor such as use of a weapon. In short, unless you know the facts of what happened.... who knows? It was GBH as his skin was broken. He will get custodial if found guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 It was GBH as his skin was broken. He will get custodial if found guilty. He can get up to five years but I doubt he would get anything more than a fine IF found guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 31 December, 2008 Share Posted 31 December, 2008 IF he is found guilty I think that a proper example should be made, he is looked up to by thousands of young fans all over England because he is Englands captain. How can people condem violence when kids could say "But Steve Gerrard did that" Sorry but to me the bigger you are the harder you should fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 31 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 31 December, 2008 IF he is found guilty I think that a proper example should be made, he is looked up to by thousands of young fans all over England because he is Englands captain. How can people condem violence when kids could say "But Steve Gerrard did that" Sorry but to me the bigger you are the harder you should fall. Absolutely disagree. There is a reason why the Statue of Justice atop the Old Bailey has a blind fold on. It doesn't and shouldn't matter who you are, pauper or prince, Liverpool captain or even a skate, the law must be applied equally and without prejudice. Gerrard should be judged as if he were a nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 But he is Not a nobody is he ? He is a famous person worshipped by kids who think that if "he" can do nasty things so can they and without real consequences. People have to start realising that their stupid actions can have unpleasant consequences. Just read the "Darwin Awards" to see how people blame everyone else for their crass stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Typical scouser or Noble Englishman involved in a bit of old fashioned fisty cuffs? Will he do bird if convicted? Joey Barton was convicted of EXACTLY the same offence (assault with affray) and sentenced to 6 months. No doubt the magistrate will be aware of the precedent involving prominent members of the footballing community. Certainly one of his mates should have told him to "Calm Down! Calm Down!" Hope he gets off. I have a lot of respect for Gerrard. And we need him in the national team in the spring. To be fair Barton (the w@nker) had previous. Steven Gerrard is by and large a very good ambassador to the English game, and a decent role model for kids. I am almost certain he would have been provoked considerably to react in the way reports suggest. With that in mind, I reckon a bit of community service is the most he'll get. Gerrard is a good proffessional and a ray of light in todays football community. FREE STEVIE!! LOWE OUT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 To be fair Barton (the w@nker) had previous. Steven Gerrard is by and large a very good ambassador to the English game, and a decent role model for kids. I am almost certain he would have been provoked considerably to react in the way reports suggest. With that in mind, I reckon a bit of community service is the most he'll get. Gerrard is a good proffessional and a ray of light in todays football community. FREE STEVIE!! LOWE OUT!! I agree with you :shock: Steven Gerrard must of been provoked and even the lamest of person will retaliate at some point. As for the punishment let's wait to see if he is guilty first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/West Saint Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Who was the first 22 stone man to ride a derby winner? A/ Steve Gerrard's cell mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 IF he is found guilty I think that a proper example should be made, he is looked up to by thousands of young fans all over England because he is Englands captain. How can people condem violence when kids could say "But Steve Gerrard did that" Sorry but to me the bigger you are the harder you should fall. Like **** is he England captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 To be fair Barton (the w@nker) had previous. Steven Gerrard is by and large a very good ambassador to the English game, and a decent role model for kids. I am almost certain he would have been provoked considerably to react in the way reports suggest. With that in mind, I reckon a bit of community service is the most he'll get. Gerrard is a good proffessional and a ray of light in todays football community. FREE STEVIE!! LOWE OUT!! You must have a short memory. He's been involved in loads of trouble outside of football, just a typical scouser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sfc90 Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Lets face it,whatever he has done, he's not going to do time is he. Its Steven Gerrard ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 If he did it and its proven in court, it'll be a fine and a suspended sentance IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 Like **** is he England captain. He isn't know but he has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 1 January, 2009 Share Posted 1 January, 2009 You must have a short memory. He's been involved in loads of trouble outside of football, just a typical scouser. I have a long memory and I don't recall Gerrard being in any trouble outside of football. Perhaps you have the wrong person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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