Bearsy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 He was. Bearsy respects Gandy. Just didnt want to come across gay. I don't mind coming across gay. Or gays coming across me. It's all good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Here is the university stats (all based on a UCAS study). [Pay gap above]. http://www.bbc.com/news/education-30537561 http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/women-are-now-a-third-more-likely-than-men-to-opt-to-go-to-university-according-to-ucas-application-figures-9097135.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726028/Record-number-pupils-university-412-000-places-confirmed-girls-outnumber-boys.html http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CEAQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Feducation%2Funiversityeducation%2F11377594%2FRecord-number-of-students-applying-to-university.html&ei=pJj8VJzdJcHh7AaP_4HYBw&usg=AFQjCNGFY0sxZ29OiUqNKeGcSy7ufYkBlg&sig2=0YhriK1X1ioNTDLkwUYfxg&bvm=bv.87611401,d.ZGU What's this all about then: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/mar/05/gender-pay-gap-remain-70-years-un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 What's this all about then: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/mar/05/gender-pay-gap-remain-70-years-un I refer you to Point 5 of this Time magazine article. http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 fkin saintsweb! Are we really gonna debate who's most likely to get raped on their way home? Because I am ok with that What are you wearing? Had to mention rape didn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 (edited) I refer you to Point 5 of this Time magazine article. http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ Very interesting thanks for that. Good to explode some myths. Edited 8 March, 2015 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I refer you to Point 5 of this Time magazine article. http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ Her conclusion is that more women end up in lower paid professions than men, but then seems to give no evidence for the reasons for this other than her own opinion that there's no such thing as male sexism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I don't mind coming across gay. Or gays coming across me. It's all good Any hole's a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Her conclusion is that more women end up in lower paid professions than men, but then seems to give no evidence for the reasons for this other than her own opinion that there's no such thing as male sexism. My point was that there is no meaningful wage gap within professions not on the societal pressures facing each gender. I fully accept that there are certain careers that are male dominated and female dominated and there should probably be some work put into addressing the effects of gender roles in this rather than focusing on a non existent problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 My point was that there is no meaningful wage gap within professions not on the societal pressures facing each gender. I fully accept that there are certain careers that are male dominated and female dominated and there should probably be some work put into addressing the effects of gender roles in this rather than focusing on a non existent problem. Are socialised gender roles where one gender tends towards lower paid jobs not a form of sexism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Are socialised gender roles where one gender tends towards lower paid jobs not a form of sexist? Where exactly did I say sexism doesn't exist? If you are saying women should be incentivized towards particular careers by being paid more than their male counterparts then I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 He was in an argument once and he went, 'How can I hate women, my mum's one.'... Yeah? There's a lot of truth in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 My point was that there is no meaningful wage gap within professions not on the societal pressures facing each gender. I fully accept that there are certain careers that are male dominated and female dominated and there should probably be some work put into addressing the effects of gender roles in this rather than focusing on a non existent problem. I find the industry of 'Male strippers' too male dominant. I feel the industry would certainly benefit from more female male strippers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 He was in an argument once and he went, 'How can I hate women, my mum's one.'... Yeah? There's a lot of truth in that Ha! I think Lou views me and Hypo as Chris Finch types... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Where exactly did I say sexism doesn't exist? If you are saying women should be incentivized towards particular careers by being paid more than their male counterparts then I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly. Of course not, although you could argue that as children in divorces generally end up with mum then they would have greater need of a generous wage. Either way the fact remains that your average working girl earns significantly less per hour than the average male in Society, and that is a type of "wage gap." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Ha! I think Lou views me and Hypo as Chris Finch types... Well, now you say it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Are socialised gender roles where one gender tends towards lower paid jobs not a form of sexism? I'd definitely go one step deeper than that and ask why we as a society value jobs (in monetary terms) that have been socialised to be male more than those that have been socialised to be female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I'd definitely go one step deeper than that and ask why we as a society value jobs (in monetary terms) that have been socialised to be male more than those that have been socialised to be female. Ever heard the saying 'a woman's work is never done' young Andy? Perhaps that's why they get paid less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Is there an international man's day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Is there an international man's day? Thursday November 19th 2015. I just had to hang on in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Is there an international man's day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I'd definitely go one step deeper than that and ask why we as a society value jobs (in monetary terms) that have been socialised to be male more than those that have been socialised to be female. Not sure about that. A building labourer or delivery driver may well earn the same as a care worker or teaching assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 And how does it make you feel when you see that image? Because when I'm stood next to an image of a women dressed in her underwear, at night, I'm not getting on my moral ground here, I actually feeling quite vulnerable. To the point I feel I should move. Its a picture of a bloke with most of his clothes off, shockingly I dont give it too much attention and I certainly dont feel at all vulnerable. Dont get me wrong I work out, eat well, play a lot of sport but Im nowhere near as defined. In fact if you were to ask me Id probably say 'fair play, but I couldnt be arsed to give up beer and the odd dime bar' I dobt find it in the least discriminatory etc Should there be more equality between the sexes and should they be paid the same for the same job ? Of course. Should they be given equal oppurtunity ? Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Of course not, although you could argue that as children in divorces generally end up with mum then they would have greater need of a generous wage. Either way the fact remains that your average working girl earns significantly less per hour than the average male in Society, and that is a type of "wage gap." Id say the majority of women I know arent as career driven as their make counterparts, perhaps that is a societal pressure that they should be the ones that raise the kids but it is what it is. The opportunity is there for them and the flexible working regs now ensure that women are given the chance to return to work on acceptable terms. This probably has an effect on the average wage trends more than anything. But this isnt a comparison of a wage gap as such, just a look at how society currently works rightly or wrongly. I work with women on the same level as me in an engineering discipline (generally regarded as male dominated) and all are paid at the same grade as me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I'd definitely go one step deeper than that and ask why we as a society value jobs (in monetary terms) that have been socialised to be male more than those that have been socialised to be female. In what respect ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Jesus, this forum ... I have no words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I remember once having this type of discussion with my secretary (female) in Belgium : I said something along the lines of " since the beginning of time women have borne the children whilst man was the hunter and the provider"! Without batting an eyelid she responded "so I suppose that you do the supermarket shopping every week then?) Cheeky cow :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Female teaching contract from 1923 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 9 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Well that went well didn't it? Don't think I'll bother starting an International Happiness Day Thread on March 20th I can see it now ... It's fine for you, but what about unhappy people, when is it their day? etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Well that went well didn't it? Don't think I'll bother starting an International Happiness Day Thread on March 20th I can see it now ... It's fine for you, but what about unhappy people, when is it their day? etc etc They get a week. http://www.freedomfromfear.org/NationalAnxietyandDepressionAwarenessWeek.en.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 KWell that went well didn't it? Don't think I'll bother starting an International Happiness Day Thread on March 20th I can see it now ... It's fine for you, but what about unhappy people, when is it their day? etc etc I'd LOVE an International Happiness Day thread! Please do start one on the 20th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 9 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2015 K I'd LOVE an International Happiness Day thread! Please do start one on the 20th! As much as I'd love to, I'll be having a lot of Happiness myself, on the slopes of Cervinia on the 20th (if I haven't broken anything in the previous 5 days skiing ) So I'll have to pass on the responsibility to someone else!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 I've worked for women bosses and on the whole they're right *****es. They are particularly bullying towards other women. The best boss I ever had was a women, but she soon put all the other chicks in place. I put it down to her being a dozen Pinter , but she did more to stop other chicks' careers than any bloke would have done. I got on great with her , but if she didnt rate you, you were toast very quicvkly.She's way up the food chain now in a senior position ,but a man wouldn't have got away with half she did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 I've worked for women bosses and on the whole they're right *****es. They are particularly bullying towards other women. The best boss I ever had was a women, but she soon put all the other chicks in place. I put it down to her being a dozen Pinter , but she did more to stop other chicks' careers than any bloke would have done. I got on great with her , but if she didnt rate you, you were toast very quicvkly.She's way up the food chain now in a senior position ,but a man wouldn't have got away with half she did. Did she p1ss in underperformer's faces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Ah well you can't win them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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