Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 yeah that's the death knell for man, right there. Robot sperm FFS. They'll prob even make it taste good LOL. Robot sperm, and vibrators... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 LOL. Robot sperm, and vibrators... Take that as a no then. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 You could maybe suggest why the first priority of all animals isn't to ensure the survival of future generations? Or do what you are currently doing which is the equivalent of running away. Genuinely interested in why you think that is wrong. I'm not running away. I'm just lost any sense of respect for you when you said feminists are the worst kind of people. And because I lost respect, it made the effort involved in responding to your antiquated meanderings, not worth the effort I was putting in. All on a thread about International Women's Day! Even you must see the irony in that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I'm not running away. I'm just lost any sense of respect for you when you said feminists are the worst kind of people. And because I lost respect, it made the effort involved in responding to your antiquated meanderings, not worth the effort I was putting in. All on a thread about International Women's Day! Even you must see the irony in that! Just the worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 You could maybe suggest why the first priority of all animals isn't to ensure the survival of future generations? Do you seriously think you've proved some kind of point with this argument? Dear God.....pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Do you seriously think you've proved some kind of point with this argument? Dear God.....pathetic. Still haven't seen a rebuttal from anyone. Continue to run away if you like but it doesn't achieve anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Here's a list of more pointless International Days: http://www.un.org/en/events/observances/days.shtml It's International Day of Forests and the Tree on my birthday. I'm going to celebrate it by drunkenly running naked through the New Forest after we beat Burnley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 People are fundamentally cognitively different from animals. We have complex culture and that makes all the difference. Like seriously, this is primary school biology. Why does this need to be pointed out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 (edited) People are fundamentally cognitively different from animals. We have complex culture and that makes all the difference. Like seriously, this is primary school biology. Why does this need to be pointed out? Well duh. No need to state the blinking obvious. Still haven't addressed my basic point though about the continuing survival of the species. Still can't find the posts you referred to earlier Andy. Edited 8 March, 2015 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Well duh. No need to state the blinking obvious. Still haven't addressed my basic point though about the continuing survival of the species. Still can't find the posts you referred to earlier Andy. You're telling him not to state the blinking obvious, while still running with your killer point...that women have babies!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 You're telling him not to state the blinking obvious, while still running with your killer point...that women have babies!! Seemingly lou and possibly Andy seem to disagree with what I thought was a fairly clear point. Would be interesting to know what they believe the primary function of the human race is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Well duh. No need to state the blinking obvious. Still haven't addressed my basic point though about the continuing survival of the species. Selection doesn't happen at the level of the species anyways, it's at the level of the individual, but that's a side point. Nature =/= Culture. And isn't subservient to it either. To quote Richard Dawkins 'We alone on earth can rebel against the tyranny of the selfish replicators'. And I'm glad we do, because life and culture would be pretty miserable otherwise. So, you do not have a basic point, you just seem to be excusing universal subjugation of people based on genitals because 'survival of the species'. Do you really think if we treated everyone equally regardless of genitals, then society would collapse. What are you afraid of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Seemingly lou and possibly Andy seem to disagree with what I thought was a fairly clear point. Would be interesting to know what they believe the primary function of the human race is. There isn't an innate 'function' to race, although there seems to be an instrumental use of it by organisations to divide and oppress. So it's what people have made of it. If you look at the genetic structure of humans, it's very narrow and overlapping compared to other species. The differences are minuscule and we largely base race on a few insignificant differences like skin colour (which is decided by very few genes). There is far more that unites the 'races' than divides them. The 'function' of why some of us look different is down to stuff I'm sure that you already realise to do with pigmentation and sunlight etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Here's a list of more pointless International Days: http://www.un.org/en/events/observances/days.shtml It's International Day of Forests and the Tree on my birthday. I'm going to celebrate it by drunkenly running naked through the New Forest after we beat Burnley. I always celebrate world intellectual property day, it's a cracker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 There isn't an innate 'function' to race, although there seems to be an instrumental use of it by organisations to divide and oppress. So it's what people have made of it. If you look at the genetic structure of humans, it's very narrow and overlapping compared to other species. The differences are minuscule and we largely base race on a few insignificant differences like skin colour (which is decided by very few genes). There is far more that unites the 'races' than divides them. The 'function' of why some of us look different is down to stuff I'm sure that you already realise to do with pigmentation and sunlight etc. Well needless to say I disagree with your assertions about humans lacking a function but I'm grateful that you actually took the time to compose an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 We have a moral imperative to end open defecation and a duty to ensure women and girls are not at risk of assault and rape simply because they lack a sanitation facility. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Message for the World Toilet Day wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I always celebrate world intellectual property day, it's a cracker. I'm happy to give women one day a year. Just as long as they leave the other 364 days alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Well when it comes down to it, the primary function of all females from all is to give birth in order to continue the species. Still wondering where those posts are Andy. Because our species is so endangered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Well needless to say I disagree with your assertions about humans lacking a function but I'm grateful that you actually took the time to compose an answer. Me too! the purpose of humans is to glorify baby jesus + bj's dad also, says so in bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 wtf This article relates - but beware, it's serious stuff http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31313550 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 So what happens on this day then? How do I celebrate my missus and daughter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Seemingly lou and possibly Andy seem to disagree with what I thought was a fairly clear point. Would be interesting to know what they believe the primary function of the human race is. Actually, I didn't disagree with anything. I chose to not respond. Partly because it was a random statement thrown into the topic. Partly because a anonymous bloke on a football forum telling me what my primary purpose is, grossed me out (!), and partly because I don't want to waste my time responding to someone who is making endless pointless statements, then insisting people respond to them (needy) or equating feminism (ie equality between men and women) with one person (which is a bit daft). That said, I'm digging SaintAndy's responses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 This article relates - but beware, it's serious stuff http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31313550 grim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 So what happens on this day then? How do I celebrate my missus and daughter? Tell them not to sh*t in the street srsly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I'm happy to give women one day a year. Just as long as they leave the other 364 days alone. I'm happy to have given Hypo my time this one day, as long as he leaves me alone the other 364 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Actually, I didn't disagree with anything. I chose to not respond. Partly because it was a random statement thrown into the topic. Partly because a anonymous bloke on a football forum telling me what my primary purpose is, grossed me out (!), and partly because I don't want to waste my time responding to someone who is making endless pointless statements, then insisting people respond to them (needy) or equating feminism (ie equality between men and women) with one person (which is a bit daft). That said, I'm digging SaintAndy's responses! It isn't personal lou, and feminism encompasses a lot more than just equality as I'm sure you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Thought this topical on hearing it on the radio earlier: http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31786562 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 This article relates - but beware, it's serious stuff http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31313550 Dear me. Thanks for posting BTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 This article relates - but beware, it's serious stuff http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31313550 According Hypo these men are carrying out their primary purpose in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCholulaKid Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 feminism encompasses a lot more than just equality Care to enlighten us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 According Hypo these men are carrying out their primary purpose in life. Thats disgusting. Nice one Jonnyboy. Classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 It isn't personal lou, and feminism encompasses a lot more than just equality as I'm sure you know. I'm not taking it personally Hypo. I'm just responding to your posts. I think you've probably got a bit of an old-school take on what 'feminism' stands for. My generation's version is about equality, that's all I care about. I guess we can be a bit softer with it (less of the aggressive stuff from our previous generation) because the really outrageous stuff they were fighting against, isn't so acceptable these days (though it still happens). But it's still there behind the scenes, on the quiet. And sometimes not so behind the scenes. Sometimes it's on film, it's upfront and aggressive, yet still people defend it...(it's a one off! it's banter!) So when I say I'm feminist. What I'm saying is, I've got a right to be treated equally. As have all the other women around me. Not patronised. Not excluded. Not paid less. Not told I'm less talented. Not told what I must like. Not told I'm a slag. Not shouted at by random strangers. Not told I can't do something. Not get that disgusting sucking noise when I walk pass cars at traffic lights, not have to stand at a bus stop at night next to an advert with a woman in her underwear. All that stuff and more. I don't think it's much to ask. I can't imagine ever treating a man that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Great - thread about International Women's Day reduced to posts demeaning women to just objects of sexual desire or servants to men. Well done everyone, you've just proven the point. You're a very dull and odd young man, aren't you young Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 It isn't personal lou, and feminism encompasses a lot more than just equality as I'm sure you know. No, the point of feminism is equality between the genders. There's some disagreement about how to achieve that - at a most basic level liberal vs. radical feminism (though that being basic means it's an extremely simplistic division), but all have the same goal of 'equality'. Though even equality is a bit of a heterogenous term, though I imagine all feminists would *at the very least* want equality of opportunity, which is still a long way off. Edit: Coxford_lou put it way better than I ever could! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 You're a very dull and odd young man, aren't you young Andy. Not to me he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I'm not taking it personally Hypo. I'm just responding to your posts. I think you've probably got a bit of an old-school take on what 'feminism' stands for. My generation's version is about equality, that's all I care about. I guess we can be a bit softer with it (less of the aggressive stuff from our previous generation) because the really outrageous stuff they were fighting against, isn't so acceptable these days (though it still happens). But it's still there behind the scenes, on the quiet. And sometimes not so behind the scenes. Sometimes it's on film, it's upfront and aggressive, yet still people defend it...(it's a one off! it's banter!) So when I say I'm feminist. What I'm saying is, I've got a right to be treated equally. As have all the other women around me. Not patronised. Not excluded. Not paid less. Not told I'm less talented. Not told what I must like. Not told I'm a slag. Not shouted at by random strangers. Not told I can't do something. Not get that disgusting sucking noise when I walk pass cars at traffic lights, not have to stand at a bus stop at night next to an advert with a woman in her underwear. All that stuff and more. I don't think it's much to ask. I can't imagine ever treating a man that way. Sorry, just picking up on the underwear thing, I had this everyday for a month all the way through my tube station. As I don't seem to understand what sexism is, is this sexist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 With respect to the wage gap Lou it's a myth now, in fact it has gone in the other direction. With notable exceptions women are paid more for the same position and more women are studying further and graduating than men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Not get that disgusting sucking noise when I walk pass cars at traffic lights +1 fk off bruno mars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 With respect to the wage gap Lou it's a myth now, in fact it has gone in the other direction. With notable exceptions women are paid more for the same position and more women are studying further and graduating than men. My missus is 5 years younger, been at the company 3 years less, and is paid £10K less than her equivalent controller in another part of the company. Positive discrimination is alive and well. She puts it down to her boss being female. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Sorry, just picking up on the underwear thing, I had this everyday for a month all the way through my tube station. As I don't seem to understand what sexism is, is this sexist? And how does it make you feel when you see that image? Because when I'm stood next to an image of a women dressed in her underwear, at night, I'm not getting on my moral ground here, I actually feeling quite vulnerable. To the point I feel I should move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 With respect to the wage gap Lou it's a myth now, in fact it has gone in the other direction. With notable exceptions women are paid more for the same position and more women are studying further and graduating than men. Have you got some numbers on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 And how does it make you feel when you see that image? Because when I'm stood next to an image of a women dressed in her underwear, at night, I'm not getting on my moral ground here, I actually feeling quite vulnerable. To the point I feel I should move. Honestly, hand on heart, I thought, "**** me, even I'd have a go on that". He's an adonis. Swear on my daughters life. You have to respect it. Feel the same about our own Graziano! After you accept these things, life's so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 And how does it make you feel when you see that image? Aroused Edit: Jeez my guess was right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Honestly, hand on heart, I thought, "**** me, even I'd have a go on that". He's an adonis. Swear on my daughters life. You have to respect it. Feel the same about our own Graziano! After you accept these things, life's so much better. Exactly. I've got reason to feel vulnerable. You haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Aroused Edit: Jeez my guess was right! I thought you were answering for yourself, not Jeff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Exactly. I've got reason to feel vulnerable. You haven't. Why haven't I? I'm not a very attractive bloke. I don't have washboard abs, or a great little goatee. I would say I am below average. But **** happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Have you got some numbers on this? Here are some articles on the pay gap myth http://time.com/3222543/5-feminist-myths-that-will-not-die/ http://conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-perrins-gender-pay-gap-myth-men-women-make-different-choices/ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/8212662/Gender-pay-gap-down-to-womens-lifestyle-choices.html http://thebackbencher.co.uk/the-gender-pay-gap-myth/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 I thought you were answering for yourself, not Jeff... He was. Bearsy respects Gandy. Just didnt want to come across gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Have you got some numbers on this? Here is the university stats (all based on a UCAS study). [Pay gap above]. http://www.bbc.com/news/education-30537561 http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/women-are-now-a-third-more-likely-than-men-to-opt-to-go-to-university-according-to-ucas-application-figures-9097135.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726028/Record-number-pupils-university-412-000-places-confirmed-girls-outnumber-boys.html http://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CEAQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Feducation%2Funiversityeducation%2F11377594%2FRecord-number-of-students-applying-to-university.html&ei=pJj8VJzdJcHh7AaP_4HYBw&usg=AFQjCNGFY0sxZ29OiUqNKeGcSy7ufYkBlg&sig2=0YhriK1X1ioNTDLkwUYfxg&bvm=bv.87611401,d.ZGU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 8 March, 2015 Share Posted 8 March, 2015 Why haven't I? I'm not a very attractive bloke. I don't have washboard abs, or a great little goatee. I would say I am below average. But **** happens! fkin saintsweb! Are we really gonna debate who's most likely to get raped on their way home? Because I am ok with that What are you wearing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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