LGTL Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I can not believe (or perhaps I should expect it by now) the open misogyny in this thread. It's clear sexism is everywhere, and that a lot of people just don't get it. Why the hell should women have to go day to day being treatment like an object and subject to different standards? It shouldn't be acceptable or the norm. Bet your search history is full of porn though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Sorry, no women allowed, like any decent golf club. Now that is sexist, cos it's discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Playing devils advocate here slightly but it is men who are in the harder position. What is appropriate what is manly what is sensitive. Some women want it all. They get their hen pecked fella and then moan he has no back bone. I married a good one thankfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Bet your search history is full of porn though. If he's ever watched porn, or knocked one off to Zoo mag, then he is a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 So bad you had to post it twice... ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I've certainly got good thread response rates! With a bit more training I'm sure I could turn nasty too! Does that mean I can join the Birmingham Bully Boy Club?! Actually, er, no thanks. What's the Birmingham Bully boy club??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Playing devils advocate here slightly but it is men who are in the harder position. What is appropriate what is manly what is sensitive. Some women want it all. They get their hen pecked fella and then moan he has know back bone. I married a good one thankfully. And does he think you've got a nice arse too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 ???? How weird, my page showed it twice, but looking now the second one has disappeared. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Oh, here we go boys.... Here come the 'she said this to me, and I wasn't offended. Can't see what the problem is...' stories... Let's fill up a couple more pages if we can. Any lurkers feeling nervous to come forward with your 'why would you care what a stranger says to you...' stories? Now's your moment!! Come and feel part of the crowd, it will make you feel good about yourself I promise you!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 And does he think you've got a nice arse too? You doing funnies. Teehee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 You doing funnies. Teehee It was more based on the phrasing of your post, not me saying you're ga, just to let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Playing devils advocate here slightly but it is men who are in the harder position. What is appropriate what is manly what is sensitive. Some women want it all. They get their hen pecked fella and then moan he has no back bone. I married a good one thankfully. You're right. mrs Turdish is always saying how she likes real men yet when I scratch my balls and fart whilst drinking a can of Stella she says its disgusting. You can't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Sorry, no women allowed, like any decent golf club. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Golden thread, surely? And that's not a reference to Jeff's Director weeing in his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Oh, here we go boys.... Here come the 'she said this to me, and I wasn't offended. Can't see what the problem is...' stories... Let's fill up a couple more pages if we can. Any lurkers feeling nervous to come forward with your 'why would you care what a stranger says to you...' stories? Now's your moment!! Come and feel part of the crowd, it will make you feel good about yourself I promise you!!! You can't take this place too seriously Lou. And can't educate them for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Oh, here we go boys.... Here come the 'she said this to me, and I wasn't offended. Can't see what the problem is...' stories... Let's fill up a couple more pages if we can. Any lurkers feeling nervous to come forward with your 'why would you care what a stranger says to you...' stories? Now's your moment!! Come and feel part of the crowd, it will make you feel good about yourself I promise you!!! To be fair Lou, you said I wasn't interested in what you had to say, so i asked you to explain why those things offended you, and you've ignored it. I know they're ****tish things to say, but what has actually offended you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 What's the Birmingham Bully boy club??! Sorry, but your mate Patrick gave away all your secrets... we know what you did in the toilets. But that's ok, we're quite open minded about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 When I was in my summer job a woman who was well in her fifties used to always ask me 'when I was going give her one'. Was tricky knowing how to respond as a temp. Got over it mind Should have just got it over with early doors. Would have diffused the tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 To be fair Lou, you said I wasn't interested in what you had to say, so i asked you to explain why those things offended you, and you've ignored it. I know they're ****tish things to say, but what has actually offended you? I'm not offended! I can't answer some of the questions you're asking, because the fact you're asking them in the first place, suggests we're in a very different place on it, and I don't think I'd be able to scratch the surface with a response, so best not go there. You ask if I would be offended by a stranger in the street calling me a slag. You compare that to the fact people call you all sorts of names on here and you don't take offence. You and your life experience is so far removed from me and my life experience, that there no point trying to persuade you any differently, because you're clearly not going to get it. I'm not saying that to be rude, it's just reality, and no point wasting energy on it. Anyway, it's a football forum - what did I expect?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I'm not offended! I can't answer some of the questions you're asking, because the fact you're asking them in the first place, suggests we're in a very different place on it, and I don't think I'd be able to scratch the surface with a response, so best not go there. You ask if I would be offended by a stranger in the street calling me a slag. You compare that to the fact people call you all sorts of names on here and you don't take offence. You and your life experience is so far removed from me and my life experience, that there no point trying to persuade you any differently, because you're clearly not going to get it. I'm not saying that to be rude, it's just reality, and no point wasting energy on it. Anyway, it's a football forum - what did I expect?! Yet you got all lairy earlier because you said we weren't showing any desire to want to empathise with your point of view? And in regards to your it's a football forum comment- it's a football crowd making comments about tits, what did you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Yet you got all lairy earlier because you said we weren't showing any desire to want to empathise with your point of view? Can't believe the dopy cow expected anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I'm not offended! I can't answer some of the questions you're asking, because the fact you're asking them in the first place, suggests we're in a very different place on it, and I don't think I'd be able to scratch the surface with a response, so best not go there. You ask if I would be offended by a stranger in the street calling me a slag. You compare that to the fact people call you all sorts of names on here and you don't take offence. You and your life experience is so far removed from me and my life experience, that there no point trying to persuade you any differently, because you're clearly not going to get it. I'm not saying that to be rude, it's just reality, and no point wasting energy on it. Anyway, it's a football forum - what did I expect?! But what's the difference between the types of abuse? Why is one significantly worse than the others? That's what I don't get more than anything. Yes, if it's discrimination that's one thing, but someone shouting slag at a woman in the street, or someone shouting that at me in the street what's the ddifference? You had a go at us being unable to empathise, but now you're doing the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Can't believe the dopy cow expected anything else. Come on, bit harsh mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Yet you got all lairy earlier because you said we weren't showing any desire to want to empathise with your point of view? Exasperated, Hypo. Not lairy. I don't do lairy. Still exasperated, and a bit depressed alongside it. I predict, ooh, roughly 9 years, before things start changing. Is that a bit too optimistic? Maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Jeff gets abuse from me for being unbelievably obtuse at times. Not cos I want to see him in his underpants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I'm not offended! I can't answer some of the questions you're asking, because the fact you're asking them in the first place, suggests we're in a very different place on it, and I don't think I'd be able to scratch the surface with a response, so best not go there. You ask if I would be offended by a stranger in the street calling me a slag. You compare that to the fact people call you all sorts of names on here and you don't take offence. You and your life experience is so far removed from me and my life experience, that there no point trying to persuade you any differently, because you're clearly not going to get it. I'm not saying that to be rude, it's just reality, and no point wasting energy on it. Anyway, it's a football forum - what did I expect?! Being serious (yes, I can be), I get it. Yes the FA are being sightly deluded because there will ALWAYS be a minority who chant ridiculous things (i.e. the Chelsea 'racist' rubbish that's come up again today), but as with all of society, you'll never stamp it out. It is slightly stupid to class racism and sexism as the same, because they aren't - for many reasons I won't go into now, but chants about the latter will happen because some sections of the fanbase aren't very bright and will act like children. I actually think our our fanbase is pretty good in all honesty, compared to many I've heard. Lou, totally get your stance, but I honestly don't think it's something that will go away. In many years, the world will be different and my son will be having very different discussions when he's my age for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 But what's the difference between the types of abuse? Why is one significantly worse than the others? That's what I don't get more than anything. Yes, if it's discrimination that's one thing, but someone shouting slag at a woman in the street, or someone shouting that at me in the street what's the ddifference? You had a go at us being unable to empathise, but now you're doing the same? Haven't you learnt anything??! It's much much worse because we don't experience it every day, or something. (I don't know one woman, and I work with 95% woman, who would agree). I'm going to walk down the street tomorrow and I'll be sure to stop all those disgusting men shouting hideous abuse and unsuspecting girls. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Jeff gets abuse from me for being unbelievably obtuse at times. Not cos I want to see him in his underpants. Then why did you send me those dirty PM's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Exasperated, Hypo. Not lairy. I don't do lairy. Still exasperated, and a bit depressed alongside it. I predict, ooh, roughly 9 years, before things start changing. Is that a bit too optimistic? Maybe! Do you think everyone who has not agreed is sexist or a misogynist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Exasperated, Hypo. Not lairy. I don't do lairy. Still exasperated, and a bit depressed alongside it. I predict, ooh, roughly 9 years, before things start changing. Is that a bit too optimistic? Maybe! I know a good pill for depression. It's called trycoxagain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Haven't you learnt anything??! It's much much worse because we don't experience it every day, or something. (I don't know one woman, and I work with 95% woman, who would agree). I'm going to walk down the street tomorrow and I'll be sure to stop all those disgusting men shouting hideous abuse and unsuspecting girls. Or something. I get abuse on here every day for having a point of view, and trying to explain it appropriately on this forum. A lot.of people think I'm a ****, and thats fair enough, it's their opinion, but I'm actually really not. All I do is play devils advocate, and tend to hypothesise a lot, but it seems people don't like that. Fair enough I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Being serious (yes, I can be), I get it. Yes the FA are being sightly deluded... I actually think our our fanbase is pretty good in all honesty, compared to many I've heard. Lou, totally get your stance, but I honestly don't think it's something that will go away. In many years, the world will be different and my son will be having very different discussions when he's my age for sure. Thank f*ck, some sanity. The FA are starting the debate. Before now, there hasn't even been any debate. For that it's a good thing. Not sure if this thread has achieved much, but at least it's making people think, even if they don't agree. That's a starter for something. And yes, I agree our fan base are good. (Millwall with Sian Massey on the line was a very different experience...yikes). It definitely won't go away this generation, but it might when your kids get older, if we start the conversation now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Do you think everyone who has not agreed is sexist or a misogynist? I don't know really. I think a lot of people don't really know what it's like to be female, or what we put up with. But then they wouldn't, would they. I think it would be interesting to let you experience it - it won't be like you expect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I know a good pill for depression. It's called trycoxagain. Oh my god, that's twice the Turk has made me laugh. No!! Stop this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I don't know really. I think a lot of people don't really know what it's like to be female, or what we put up with. But then they wouldn't, would they. I think it would be interesting to let you experience it - it won't be like you expect! Not really sure you speak for all females though. What you describe isn't anything like what the women I speak to go through. I just asked my fiancee and she doesn't feel disrespected by men all the time. I expect if I asked the women I employ they would say similar. As someone said earlier maybe it's just where you live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Haven't you learnt anything??! It's much much worse because we don't experience it every day, or something. (I don't know one woman, and I work with 95% woman, who would agree). I'm going to walk down the street tomorrow and I'll be sure to stop all those disgusting men shouting hideous abuse and unsuspecting girls. Or something. Ooh, here's another one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Not really sure you speak for all females though. What you describe isn't anything like what the women I speak to go through. I just asked my fiancee and she doesn't feel disrespected by men all the time. I expect if I asked the women I employ they would say similar. As someone said earlier maybe it's just where you live? When have I said I feel disrespected by men all the time? Don't put words in my mouth, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Harry Enfield could sort this thread in an instant [video=youtube_share;LS37SNYjg8w] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 If he's ever watched porn, or knocked one off to Zoo mag, then he is a hypocrite. I think you'll find that porn empowers women. I'm doing my bit to help. What's wrong with sexy abuse anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Hey back then you'd have to get a flat cap to sneak in as a woman at a football match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Hey back then you'd have to get a flat cap to sneak in as a woman at a football match To be fair, I always follow these rules when I'm interacting with you lot. I always try and be gay (even when I'm really thinking your a bunch of d*cks) I always try and be happy when I see you, and fake laughter at Turks jokes. I never ask you questions about your actions or question your judgement (except UJ, PB, Hypo, Whelk, Griffo, Sourcream...) I know my place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 Lou hats off for starting this thought provoking thread, even if some of those thoughts have turned out to be pretty, er, random. That video clip is bad I agree, and its not on. As I said before though, I have never heard any personally and i have been to West ham, Chelsea, Millwall, Cardiff, Leeds, Cardiff etc. So I think, and hope, its isolated in frequency but if this FA viewpoint and publicity means a start down the road of change, then good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 Whilst I agree about the word t*ts I don't agree about the chanting. It is clearly discriminatory to chant gets your tits out at a woman. Just as it is to chant at people who are overweight, coloured or whatever. How would you feel if you were the only male at a sporting event full of women and they were chanting get your d*ck out for the girls? (Or perhaps we had better not go there ) I honestly would not care. I'd laugh the first couple of times and then just get bored at their lack of originality...much like I'm bored of hearing "get your tits out for the lads" now. Having said that, I haven't actually heard it for a good few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/07/british-soldiers-abuse-england-women-australia?CMP=share_btn_tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 7 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 7 March, 2015 Lou hats off for starting this thought provoking thread, even if some of those thoughts have turned out to be pretty, er, random. That video clip is bad I agree, and its not on. As I said before though, I have never heard any personally and i have been to West ham, Chelsea, Millwall, Cardiff, Leeds, Cardiff etc. So I think, and hope, its isolated in frequency but if this FA viewpoint and publicity means a start down the road of change, then good A few people have said they haven't heard it - but I think that's because Saints supporters are generally pretty decent and you generally only here those around you. Can you imagine Saints supporters shouting 'get your tits out' to the girl we had on the training team? No. I was lucky (!) enough to be in the Millwall end when we played them and Sian Massey was on the line, and it was pretty extreme. Even the kids were shouting the worst kind of abuse! I think Eva and Sian are trailblazers for women in the game, and I expect more women to want to further their career in football as it becomes more common. I suspect this debate is going to become more and more relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 I honestly would not care. I'd laugh the first couple of times and then just get bored at their lack of originality...much like I'm bored of hearing "get your tits out for the lads" now. Having said that, I haven't actually heard it for a good few years. I think it is different for woman because to an extent many still feel judge by their attractiveness - hence the boom in cosmetic surgery. And Lou, Millwall is a dark corner of London that is stuck in the 1930s so no surprise there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 Not really sure you speak for all females though. What you describe isn't anything like what the women I speak to go through. I just asked my fiancee and she doesn't feel disrespected by men all the time. I expect if I asked the women I employ they would say similar. As someone said earlier maybe it's just where you live? My wife works with a lot of senior management women and gets disrupted all the time, but in a different way. We did have a dinosaur who fortunately left last year who still thought it oky to make sexist jokes and to grab the girls boobs. How her survived in the CPS for so long God knows. To him it was just a bit of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 My wife works with a lot of senior management women and gets disrupted all the time, but in a different way. We did have a dinosaur who fortunately left last year who still thought it oky to make sexist jokes and to grab the girls boobs. How her survived in the CPS for so long God knows. To him it was just a bit of fun. Right but I hardly think that is a typical experience. Certainly not for any of the women I work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 7 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 7 March, 2015 And Lou, Millwall is a dark corner of London that is stuck in the 1930s so no surprise there. It is, and it's not the only dark corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 7 March, 2015 Share Posted 7 March, 2015 I used to have to visit a newspaper wholesaler around the corner from the old Den (WH Smiths). I had to wear a suit. I often had lunch in a pub there that was full of old dockers and I stood out like a sore thumb - they probably thought I was Old Bill. Very scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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