Coxford_lou Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 Looks like it's being taken seriously... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31750397 First time I've seen a stat on percentage of female supporters - 20% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 *Turkish Incoming! * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 I'd hope something good will come of this but I'm not holding my breath.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 They never get their tits out anyway. Complete waste of effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 You know when you've been tango'd. She's Jamaican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 She's Jamaican i just read about her hence the delete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 They had the CEO of Mansfield Town on Five Live earlier talking about this. The Karren Brady of the Whatsapp generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 Now the Jewish and black spokespeople have had a turn it's time for the women. Have we got any other minorities we can go to for a quote? Mexicans maybe? Or fat people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 i just read about her hence the delete. Fair enough - I posted before you deleted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 5 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 5 March, 2015 I'd hope something good will come of this but I'm not holding my breath.... Me neither, but seeing as the FA are taking it seriously, I thought worth referencing on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 5 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 5 March, 2015 Now the Jewish and black spokespeople have had a turn it's time for the women. Have we got any other minorities we can go to for a quote? Mexicans maybe? Or fat people? Turn for what, hypo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 (edited) WTF? Would yah? Edited 5 March, 2015 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 (edited) Why is "tits" censored in that video? I mean, fair enough this is something that you could argue needs addressing (I think people just need to get over it - "get your tits out for the lads" was chanted at that fat Wednesday fan a few seasons back) but to go so far as to censor the word tits like it's an offensive word? Since when has it been offensive? "It occurs in stadiums all over the country" I disagree. I've seen many games with Sian Massey officiating and with Eva Carneiro on the pitch and not once heard anything. I also disagree that those chants are sexist by definition anyway. They're not discriminating against women or claiming that men are better than women. It really is, as the Mansfield chairman sarcastically states, banter. I think one thing we can all agree on though is that the "get your tits out" chant is so old and boring that it barely qualifies as banter anyway. Edited 5 March, 2015 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 (edited) Turn for what, hypo? Turn to get all up in arms about intolerance in football when in reality it's either one or two idiots or a "humorous" bit of terrace banter. Football has jot got worse at all in this respect (in fact in this country it is miles better) but you wouldn't know that if you just read the media because it's the latest hot topic. Widespread racism, Sexism and anti semitism does not exist in UK football, no matter how much the UK media wished it did. Edited 5 March, 2015 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 Bbc news just did piece and kept mentioning tits. Is Points of View still going as I feel like penning a letter of disgust. Mary Whitehouse would be turning in her grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 5 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 5 March, 2015 Turn to get all up in arms about intolerance in football when in reality it's either one or two idiots or a humorous bit of terrace banter. Football has jot got worse at all in this respect (in fact in this country it is miles better) but you wouldn't know that if you just read the media because it's the latest hot topic. Well yes, except there are now female professionals in the game. That's what makes it different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 What's also amusing is that the same media reporting this story is the one who made a big deal put of the sexy Mansfield chief exec. You can't have it both ways! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 Didn't the Chelsea physio lady do a Sexy photo shoot in her undies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 Well yes, except there are now female professionals in the game. That's what makes it different. You will always get chants at the football, just like referee gets called all sorts, ginger players get a bit of banter, short players etc etc. I'm not saying some of the over the top stuff is good but I don't for a minute believe it is as widespread as the media make out. Part of the problem is the novelty value of having a woman there sort of what the reaction was like when we had the white spray from earlier in the season. If you had a couple of female assistants at a match then I don't think you would get nearly as much because they won't stick out as much. Anyway in conclusion it's not a serious and widespread issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 Didn't know Rod Stewart worked for the FA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 What about fatist chants? You get more of them at football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 What about fatist chants? You get more of them at football. Too true but I dont think there is a National Association of Fat Folk to go to for a quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 5 March, 2015 Share Posted 5 March, 2015 The BBC news piece earlier suggested that in future, clubs may take action against fans chanting sexist stuff, including being removed from the ground or a ban. I am not defending it, but thousands of people call the referee a wonker every week without any action, so it would be very odd to be hauled out for shouting get your tits out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 (edited) The way things are going it wouldn't surprise me if that in ten-fifteen years time Saints fans at St Mary's will only be allowed to quietly say "Come along Southampton please play a bit better". By then I suspect that all shouting will have been banned.That of course depends on fans even still being allowed at matches in case they offend anyone. Just a thought but how much longer will the wearing of Club colours be allowed? Seeing thousands of others wearing different colours to the much smaller number of away fans might be looked on as being very intimidating and threatening to said away fans and therefore be against the away fans human rights. Edited 6 March, 2015 by Saint in Paradise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 It has changed. Whilst calling the ref a cnt (not proud) at the Liverpool game I was shot a filthy look by a woman who looked round understandably disapprovingly. I did think fair enough but also on reflection how sanitised it is all becoming. Clamping down on sexism as if it is an issue is just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 The BBC news piece earlier suggested that in future, clubs may take action against fans chanting sexist stuff, including being removed from the ground or a ban. I am not defending it, but thousands of people call the referee a wonker every week without any action, so it would be very odd to be hauled out for shouting get your tits out I'm kind of on the fence on this issue, as it's pretty complex (though good to have the debate which is why I've posted the link) but there is a difference between shouting abuse at a ref when he c*cks up. And shouting abuse at someone just because they are female and because they are there. And it's very easy to dismiss that abuse as 'banter'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 It has changed. Whilst calling the ref a cnt (not proud) at the Liverpool game I was shot a filthy look by a woman who looked round understandably disapprovingly. I did think fair enough but also on reflection how sanitised it is all becoming. Clamping down on sexism as if it is an issue is just ridiculous. That's a whole different issue and nothing to do with this topic, Whelk. I wouldn't call you a c*nt for shouting at the ref, but I would if you booed a Saints player. Be you'd be giving me a filthy look back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I'm kind of on the fence on this issue, as it's pretty complex (though good to have the debate which is why I've posted the link) but there is a difference between shouting abuse at a ref when he c*cks up. And shouting abuse at someone just because they are female and because they are there. And it's very easy to dismiss that abuse as 'banter'. Or fat and they're there. Bad examples of this at Sheffield Utd away, felt pretty embarrassed as some fans in front of us went on and on at a Sheff Utd fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I myself have witnessed discrimination first hand at football and ashamed to say I didn't report, Turkish screaming with his hate filled eyes at MK Dons left back "you look like a wotsit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 I'm kind of on the fence on this issue, as it's pretty complex (though good to have the debate which is why I've posted the link) but there is a difference between shouting abuse at a ref when he c*cks up. And shouting abuse at someone just because they are female and because they are there. And it's very easy to dismiss that abuse as 'banter'. Fair points. Peer pressure would be the answer, which will come only if most agree its out of order. How we get there is another thing. Personally I have never heard any though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 It has changed. Whilst calling the ref a cnt (not proud) at the Liverpool game I was shot a filthy look by a woman who looked round understandably disapprovingly. I did think fair enough but also on reflection how sanitised it is all becoming. Clamping down on sexism as if it is an issue is just ridiculous. That really annoys me - someone did the same to me last season, so I just pointed to the family end of the ground and requested they sit there in future (I was in block 3). It is football, it is where many people go to catch up with mates, enjoy a beer, support their team and let go a bit. This whole article shows how out of touch the FA are as well. If they want people to stop singing get your tits out, then they need to ban female staff at clubs from doing this (Eva Carneiro); http://i.imgur.com/T2oXswj.jpg or this; http://spelersvrouw.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Eva-Carneiro-1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 That really annoys me - someone did the same to me last season, so I just pointed to the family end of the ground and requested they sit there in future (I was in block 3). It is football, it is where many people go to catch up with mates, enjoy a beer, support their team and let go a bit. This whole article shows how out of touch the FA are as well. If they want people to stop singing get your tits out, then they need to ban female staff at clubs from doing this (Eva Carneiro); http://i.imgur.com/T2oXswj.jpg or this; http://spelersvrouw.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Eva-Carneiro-1.jpg Well this thread has taken an unexpected upturn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Not sure if we can change it to "La Lineswoman" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-eu-31747499 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Here we go, Owen Gibson has written an article directly addressing some if your concerns... http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/mar/05/sexist-chanting-chelsea-eva-carneiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 (edited) Replied to wrong person... Edited 6 March, 2015 by Coxford_lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 This whole article shows how out of touch the FA are as well. If they want people to stop singing get your tits out, then they need to ban female staff at clubs from doing this (Eva Carneiro) Why? Are we going to ban Beckham stripping off to his pants? What's one thing got to do with another? So because she wants to do so beautiful photographs that means it's OK to disrespect her in her role as a professional doctor? If I put photos on facebook of myself in my bikini, that will make it OK for people to shout at me to get my tits out when I'm at work? Please explain so I know how to behave in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Turn for what, hypo? Condescension from Hypo I think he means Lou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 That's a whole different issue and nothing to do with this topic, Whelk. I wouldn't call you a c*nt for shouting at the ref, but I would if you booed a Saints player. Be you'd be giving me a filthy look back! It does have something to do with it. What is acceptable in a 'cauldron' of a football ground that has been traditionally made of working class men. Mind some pr1ck behind me shouted abuse at Tim Howard regarding his Tourettes. Talk is cheap but he was a few rows back but if he said it again I was going to call him a cnt and to shut the fck up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 It does have something to do with it. What is acceptable in a 'cauldron' of a football ground that has been traditionally made of working class men. Mind some pr1ck behind me shouted abuse at Tim Howard regarding his Tourettes. Talk is cheap but he was a few rows back but if he said it again I was going to call him a cnt and to shut the fck up But I'm a woman. I don't have an issue with swearing. This has nothing to do with sexism, you c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 But I'm a woman. I don't have an issue with swearing. This has nothing to do with sexism, you c*nt. So where does your regulation stop? And start - what if someone shouts you ****ing whore at a male ref? Or a female linesmen? Is it to be dealt with differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 (edited) Why? Are we going to ban Beckham stripping off to his pants? What's one thing got to do with another? So because she wants to do so beautiful photographs that means it's OK to disrespect her in her role as a professional doctor? If I put photos on facebook of myself in my bikini, that will make it OK for people to shout at me to get my tits out when I'm at work? Please explain so I know how to behave in the future. Oh do come on, it's not rocket science is it? Woman poses in underwear (for a specific target audience) and some of said target audience are at a match where she appears in the main arena, some tipsy chanting starts, more people join in. Wendy Toms used to run the line at the Dell for many years, she was popular and the home crowd were good to her (i.e. just the usual 'abuse' for getting it wrong, but actually she was one of the better Linesman). Edited 6 March, 2015 by Patrick Bateman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 So where does your regulation stop? And start - what if someone shouts you ****ing whore at a male ref? Or a female linesmen? Is it to be dealt with differently? Being sexist has nothing to do with whether or not you use swear words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Being sexist has nothing to do with whether or not you use swear words. No but women wanting to go in a traditional male environment and then getting upset by the behaviour is the point. If you were to join a rugby club and then get offended by the sexist songs sung by the rugger boys on the coach would you say you have right not to be offended so they must stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Football is inherently sexist, it has gender bias in it's very inception. Football. Foot-BALL. BALLS? Sexist. Why not something gender neutral, like Footsphere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 6 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 6 March, 2015 Oh do come on, it's not rocket science is it? Woman poses in said underwear (for a specific target audience) and some of said target audience are at a match where she appears in the main arena, some tipsy chanting starts, more people join in. You make it sound so nice - tipsy chanting. But we're not discussing 'nice', we're discussing 'demeaning'. And I still don't understand why. Why would Eva doing something that is beautiful and that everyone likes, make people want to belittle her when she's in her professional capacity? What is the flow of thought that takes you from one place to the other? Everyone seems to like her, I think? Or do you not? Do the photos make you lose respect for her? Or is this just crude flirtation that guys think she secretly likes? I'm genuinely confused! I'm struggling to understand because I wouldn't follow the same thought process after seeing David Beckham in his undies. It wouldn't compel me to shout 'get your f*cking c*ck out'. It would make me think - hot guy, family guy, talented footballer. I'd gain respect. Help me understand the male brain... I'm not trying to catch you out, I just want to understand on a deeper level than just 'what do you expect?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 6 March, 2015 Share Posted 6 March, 2015 David Beckham in his undies. It wouldn't compel me to shout 'get your f*cking c*ck out'. disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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