trousers Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 http://talksport.com/football/premier-leagues-seven-richest-billionaire-owners-revealed-can-you-guess-order-150303137679?p=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 TBH, it makes no difference now whether we're owned by the 6th richest, the 60th richest etc, as we are looking to be self-sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 No difference NOW, but a bloody handy thing to have to get us out of L1 and the Championship and get established in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 TBH, it makes no difference now whether we're owned by the 6th richest, the 60th richest etc, as we are looking to be self-sustainable. It does though doesn't it. Having a billionaire owner is why we've risen from League 1 to 6th in the Premier League - the financial security gives us freedom to invest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 TBH, it makes no difference now whether we're owned by the 6th richest, the 60th richest etc, as we are looking to be self-sustainable. It does though doesn't it. Having a billionaire owner is why we've risen from League 1 to 6th in the Premier League - the financial security gives us freedom to invest. Gareth Rogers said the £40m training ground upgrade cost was largely funded by Katharina Liebherr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Gareth Rogers said the £40m training ground upgrade cost was largely funded by Katharina Liebherr. Is the cost training ground upgrades etc. exclusive from FFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Is the cost training ground upgrades etc. exclusive from FFP? I believe so, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Gareth Rogers said the £40m training ground upgrade cost was largely funded by Katharina Liebherr. And that's been funded now. I don't expect to see much more 'hand in pocket' from KL now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 All we need now is to become a club that players don't just want to leave for a bigger one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 And that's been funded now. I don't expect to see much more 'hand in pocket' from KL now. Me neither, and nor should anyone really expect it. I wouldn't mind betting the total investment wiped off by the family is nearer 9 figures than 8, and we've been brought back into the Premier League better than we ever had before we left it. Their only last responsibility (or rather, my wish) is that when they choose to move on that they sell to decent new owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 All we need now is to become a club that players don't just want to leave for a bigger one. we are already a club like that. The only clubs who can take our players now are the biggest ones in Europe. If you think we're ever going to be big enough for players to think joining man United isn't a step up then you're going to be forever disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 we are already a club like that. The only clubs who can take our players now are the biggest ones in Europe. If you think we're ever going to be big enough for players to think joining man United isn't a step up then you're going to be forever disappointed. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 we are already a club like that. The only clubs who can take our players now are the biggest ones in Europe. If you think we're ever going to be big enough for players to think joining man United isn't a step up then you're going to be forever disappointed. Correct. And, of course in football's pecking order, if Man Utd think they're ever going to be big enough to think joining Real Madrid isn't a step up, then they are going to be disappointed for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Mrs T once said that if your only opportunity is to be equal then it isn't really opportunity. No glass ceilings, have some aspiration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Interesting topic this one. I think we all knew that her net worth was around those figures, but with FFP and with our ethos it is important to become self sustainable. Commercially, we are so behind the game it's untrue. Fair play to her for funding Staplewood, thats huge for us and strengthens our infrastructure. Stadium expansion isnt a necessity, but if she wants to continue to set the club up for the future then I would be delighted to see her invest in an expansion to assist the club in growing organically in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Is the cost training ground upgrades etc. exclusive from FFP? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 we are already a club like that. The only clubs who can take our players now are the biggest ones in Europe. If you think we're ever going to be big enough for players to think joining man United isn't a step up then you're going to be forever disappointed. Sad but true. And even sadder is FFP is what makes this the case. Man City have proven that with unlimited spending and no rules to worry about, you can rise from the lower leagues to Champions League. I can't ever see that happening again while FFP remains. KL's money could continue to be invested in development facilities, maybe even the stadium itself, which will benefit us in the long run. It also provides a secure financial footing. I'd also hope that should she decide to sell up one day, she won't let the club go on the cheap. That should in turn mean we don't end up with 'cheap' owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 minority shareholders in arsenal and QPR are worth more than abramovic. weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Slightly off-topic, but how can QPR share-holders just write-off £60m of debt under FFP rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Slightly off-topic, but how can QPR share-holders just write-off £60m of debt under FFP rules? I don't think they can after I read this: http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/qpr-figures-not-all-they-seem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Mrs T once said that if your only opportunity is to be equal then it isn't really opportunity. No glass ceilings, have some aspiration! There isn't a glass ceiling. If we wanted to be the next Man City we could be - splashing several hundred million quid should do it, there's no glass ceiling stopping that. Wishing for that to happen is not "aspiration", though, it's just a lottery-winner dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morse Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 we are already a club like that. The only clubs who can take our players now are the biggest ones in Europe. If you think we're ever going to be big enough for players to think joining man United isn't a step up then you're going to be forever disappointed. But Man U invariably offer the most money. If Stockport County could offer better wages than Man U you'd be surprised how attractive they become to ambitious players wanting the 'next step up'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Is the cost training ground upgrades etc. exclusive from FFP? It is completely excluded from FFP calculations, including any interest on loans to fund it. That is one reason why many clubs are looking to build or expand stadiums--those costs do not count against FFP but the increased income counts as FFP income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 There isn't a glass ceiling. If we wanted to be the next Man City we could be - splashing several hundred million quid should do it, there's no glass ceiling stopping that. Wishing for that to happen is not "aspiration", though, it's just a lottery-winner dream. FFP prohibits that kind of spending except on things like stadiums and youth programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 But Man U invariably offer the most money. If Stockport County could offer better wages than Man U you'd be surprised how attractive they become to ambitious players wanting the 'next step up'. Ridiculous argument. the reason They can do that it because they are one of the biggest clubs in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Ridiculous argument. the reason They can do that it because they are one of the biggest clubs in the world. True. Although given how FFP works in League One and League Two a billionaire could buy one of those clubs and offer salaries competitive with those offered by Manchester United. It would be crazy to do that, of course, if only because the chickens would really come home to roost when they got promoted to the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 True. Although given how FFP works in League One and League Two a billionaire could buy one of those clubs and offer salaries competitive with those offered by Manchester United. It would be crazy to do that, of course, if only because the chickens would really come home to roost when they got promoted to the Championship. Is this another one of your theoretical factoids that has no practical application in reality whatsoever, much like your "all teams need 47* points to be mathematically safe" stuff from the other week? *can't remember what the number was, but it was a pointless one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Is this another one of your theoretical factoids that has no practical application in reality whatsoever, much like your "all teams need 47* points to be mathematically safe" stuff from the other week? *can't remember what the number was, but it was a pointless one. Not entirely. (The number was 58 by the way. It is now 55.) Rich owners can still fund excessive expenditures in League One and League Two without FFP rules stopping them--although they have to do it correctly. If someone like Markus Leibherr bought a League One club now, he could outspend the other teams to earn promotion into the Championship. Once there, however, different FFP rules apply and he would have to be careful to keep his spending, including salaries under control. Also, the mathematically safe number is not entirely meaningless since it allows clubs to know when they are officially safe from relegation. I remember we were all happy last year at how early that occurred for us. If things go right we could be safe even earlier this year--after the Chelsea game. And yes I know that the sun going supernova before the end of the season is not much less likely that us being relegated this year even if we didn't earn another point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 Not entirely. (The number was 58 by the way. It is now 55.) Rich owners can still fund excessive expenditures in League One and League Two without FFP rules stopping them--although they have to do it correctly. If someone like Markus Leibherr bought a League One club now, he could outspend the other teams to earn promotion into the Championship. Once there, however, different FFP rules apply and he would have to be careful to keep his spending, including salaries under control. Also, the mathematically safe number is not entirely meaningless since it allows clubs to know when they are officially safe from relegation. I remember we were all happy last year at how early that occurred for us. If things go right we could be safe even earlier this year--after the Chelsea game. And yes I know that the sun going supernova before the end of the season is not much less likely that us being relegated this year even if we didn't earn another point. I was asking a rhetorical question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 3 March, 2015 Share Posted 3 March, 2015 I was asking a rhetorical question. And I answered with rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 March, 2015 Share Posted 4 March, 2015 And I answered with rhetoric. You answered with factoids with no practical application in reality. Still, fingers crossed we get those all important 57 points to stay up - that's the number all the clubs are chasing for survival and no mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andoru Posted 4 March, 2015 Share Posted 4 March, 2015 There's a big difference between having a wealthy owner and being a wealthy club. Her money is not Saints money. We wouldn't be where we are without the Liebherrs, but from now we're basically on our own. Katerina is essentially Saints' richest supporter. As far as can be told, she wants the club to fund itself, meaning that we'll always have to sell to earn, and invest in cheaper, younger players to develop, just as we've have always done. We'll trade and survive on the reputation of our youth academy, ability to revive stalling careers, and willingness to take a chance on players from weaker leagues who want a chance at playing in the Premier League. Dare I say it, but now we're really just an upmarket version of Newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 4 March, 2015 Share Posted 4 March, 2015 We should start singing songs for Kat. Her dad saved us and became a legend but the major ongoing funding for the years since his death has come from her. Interesting that she was widely rumoured pre Cortese's departure to not be interested and wanting a sale. That was clearly sh**te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 March, 2015 Share Posted 4 March, 2015 Mrs T once said that if your only opportunity is to be equal - then it isn't really an opportunity. No glass ceilings, have some aspiration! I recall seeing her say that on TV.. like / dislike her politics, but she knew how to give a good speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 4 March, 2015 Share Posted 4 March, 2015 You answered with factoids with no practical application in reality. Still, fingers crossed we get those all important 57 points to stay up - that's the number all the clubs are chasing for survival and no mistake. This response inspired me to research the difference between facts and factoids. Since that information actually meets one of the definitions of factoids I will spare you. On the other hand, I always assumed that players and fans were happy when their club had mathematically assured themselves that they would not be relegated. Maybe it is only bad teams that worry about that and Southampton is now one of the big boys and above petty concerns like that. Hooray for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 March, 2015 Share Posted 4 March, 2015 This response inspired me to research the difference between facts and factoids. Since that information actually meets one of the definitions of factoids I will spare you. On the other hand, I always assumed that players and fans were happy when their club had mathematically assured themselves that they would not be relegated. Maybe it is only bad teams that worry about that and Southampton is now one of the big boys and above petty concerns like that. Hooray for us. Maybe you need to look up "reality" instead. Fingers crossed for Villa and Leicester getting them 56 points, eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 March, 2015 Share Posted 4 March, 2015 (edited) Sad but true. And even sadder is FFP is what makes this the case. Man City have proven that with unlimited spending and no rules to worry about, you can rise from the lower leagues to Champions League. I can't ever see that happening again while FFP remains. KL's money could continue to be invested in development facilities, maybe even the stadium itself, which will benefit us in the long run. It also provides a secure financial footing. I'd also hope that should she decide to sell up one day, she won't let the club go on the cheap. That should in turn mean we don't end up with 'cheap' owners. In time ..investment in property, stadium, etc, appreciates in value. If we were bankrupted again...(heaven forbid)..then Staplewood complex could be self-sustaining as a training centre for sports, and the SMS site must be worth far more than it cost when built..... 15 years ago. When Marcus Liebherr (R.I.P) bought the club in 2009, what he really bought was not just a bankrupted L1 club with very limited player assets (Surman and Dyer having been sold to pay the staff salaries that summer) ..but the Staplewood site and SMS, that together had a value far in excess of that which he paid. The only big player fees paid out in the beginning were for Lambert and Fonte...(and I think we'd all agree that they were both good investments). Whereas, investment in a player for...(say) £25 million (plus a 4 year contract at 50K /week)... would set the club back around £40 million incl. taxes. - with no forseeableable profit in selling before that contract ran out - (unless his name was Gareth Bale) it shows why...when Football is a business, the Academy is the best investment we've ever made. It's clear that whilst many clubs are counting their pennies, those with owners like Abrahamovic don't think twice about the odd £20 -30 million - every transfer window. If the likes of Liverpool and Man.Utd have to spend £100+ million every season to " top-up " their squads, they may be regarded as " rich clubs " (in theory), but there's relatively small profits against that sort of outlay. If there's no " quick fix ", then they can quickly overspend the FFP limits, and become another " Leeds....or Pompey " in the making. If Katarina stays true to the vision her father had (and it looks that way)...then Forbes' figs, show that there's no way she needs to sell the club ..." for a quick profit." Edited 4 March, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 4 March, 2015 Share Posted 4 March, 2015 In time ..investment in property, stadium, etc, appreciates in value. If we were bankrupted again...(heaven forbid)..then Staplewood complex could be self-sustaining as a training centre for sports, and the SMS site must be worth far more than it cost when built..... 15 years ago. When Marcus Liebherr (R.I.P) bought the club in 2009, what he really bought was not just a bankrupted L1 club with very limited player assets (Surman and Dyer having been sold to pay the staff salaries that summer) ..but the Staplewood site and SMS, that together had a value far in excess of that which he paid. ..... " Any idea what happened to Jackson's Farm? Do we still own that? Any hint it will ever be built on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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