Jordan Robertson - Going down big-time...

[Thedelldays]

FFS delldays, do you make it your mission to disagree with everything said on this site?

 

 

being a young driver should have nothing to do with it...might as well have said disabled or a women driver...

 

you dont know how good a driver he is..he might have done and passed an advanced driving course..and as a result...be a better driver than most of us...

[derry]

Sorry but the story was that it was a minor accident. What was said was "Robertson is suffering from bruises from a minor traffic accident". Where is the mentioning that a guy had to be air lifted to hospital and was fighting for his life which sadly he lost? If the person writing it did not know the circumstances of the event then why publish it? The club might not have spoken to Robertson or the police at that time but the way they presented it was to make it sound like he was in a bad way. Notice how the story has now been pulled from the OS and all that remains is one sentence on the Reading preview saying "Robertson wont figure after being in a minor car crash over xmas".

 

The reality is if you work in media and you present news then get your facts right before you press the print button especially on a story like that. Now the dust has settled and true facts are coming out it would appear the boy was playing around with his stereo and crashed into the other car because of it. And now he has been arrested because of it. Soon as that story was told notice Saints distancing themselves from him? Notice the "Southampton decided not to comment on the incident" bit?

 

So the bit you say "shows no real thought for the process" makes me laugh because what process is that? Do the Saints OS follow a different line of conduct to the rest of us in the media? A journalists job is to know the facts and to print what has happened. How could he miss a 30 ton ambulance helicopter? Or the fact a motorway had to be closed to deal with it? Or maybe not even phone the hospital to find out that a guy was fighting for his life? So the reason the guy needs to be sacked is because he didnt do his job simple as that. How would you feel if that was your dad (or family member) and you saw that news piece saying it was "minor"? Of course you would be totally understanding im sure....

 

Purely for accuracy 30 tons is the max take off weight of the 78 seat Dash 8 - Q400. A police/Ambulance helicopter approx 2 - 3 tons at the outside.

[Saint_clark]

He won't get as long as McCormack got as (obviously) he wasn't drunk at the time. He will still be charged with manslaughter, take into account that he's a footballer, chances are he'll get 2-3 years.

[derry]

He won't get as long as McCormack got as (obviously) he wasn't drunk at the time. He will still be charged with manslaughter, take into account that he's a footballer, chances are he'll get 2-3 years.

 

The girl that was allegedly texting and killed a cyclist, at the junction of Westquay Rd and Mountbatten Way, who jumped a red light was given 4 years initially, I believe reduced a bit on appeal.

 

If he does go to trial it could be serious if he is found guilty.

 

Presumably he spent Christmas day at home and was on his way back to join up with the squad for Plymouth, he was going to play instead of McGoldrick who was going to be on the bench.

[alpine_saint]

While he shouldn't have broken his concentration as he did while driving, I genuinely feel for Robertson. Obviously the victim in this is the dead man, but Robertson will suffer as well. A very tragic incident, and even more so that it was thoroughly avoidable.

 

Do you feel sorry for :

 

Lee Hughes

Lee McCormack

 

as well ???

[hypochondriac]

Do you feel sorry for :

 

Lee Hughes

Lee McCormack

 

as well ???

 

I see you continue to igore my post in the reading post match reaction thread...

[alpine_saint]

I see you continue to igore my post in the reading post match reaction thread...

 

And its really annoying you, isnt it ?

[Alain Perrin]

Do you feel sorry for :

 

Lee Hughes

Lee McCormack

 

as well ???

 

You are a **** aren't you.

 

How is changing your ipod / fiddling with your stereo / changing the aircon / eating a sandwich, the same as being multiple times over the drink drive limit? It isn't and never will be.

 

If you can't differentiate between the two then you need to spend more time in the real world and less time in the cellar (after all Fritzel's crime is the same as Robertson's isn't it?)

[alpine_saint]

You are a **** aren't you.

 

How is changing your ipod / fiddling with your stereo / changing the aircon / eating a sandwich, the same as being multiple times over the drink drive limit? It isn't and never will be.

 

If you can't differentiate between the two then you need to spend more time in the real world and less time in the cellar (after all Fritzel's crime is the same as Robertson's isn't it?)

 

What utter, utter bolllox. They ALL amount to the same thing - not being fully in control of your vehicle.

 

Did you know research has been done that suggests someone using their mobile phone is 3 times as dangerous to fellow road users as someone over the legal alcohol limit ?

 

Oh, and its "Fritzl" btw. You should make more effort to get your dim cliches correct.

[NickG]

What utter, utter bolllox. They ALL amount to the same thing - not being fully in control of your vehicle.

 

Did you know research has been done that suggests someone using their mobile phone is 3 times as dangerous to fellow road users as someone over the legal alcohol limit ?

 

Oh, and its "Fritzl" btw. You should make more effort to get your dim cliches correct.

 

thought it was just football you did'nt speak sense on

[Saint_clark]

Do you feel sorry for :

 

Lee Hughes

Lee McCormack

 

as well ???

 

The difference being, Robertson didn't think "I want to listen to a different song....but if I do I could crash.....oh f*ck it". He just changed his ipod on an impulse, as anyone would.

McCormack thought "oh f*ck it, nothing will happen, i'm not that p*ssed anyway".

[Fan The Flames]

What utter, utter bolllox. They ALL amount to the same thing - not being fully in control of your vehicle.

 

Did you know research has been done that suggests someone using their mobile phone is 3 times as dangerous to fellow road users as someone over the legal alcohol limit ?

 

Oh, and its "Fritzl" btw. You should make more effort to get your dim cliches correct.

 

Which we all know that study is ******** and so what, Robertson was not on the phone. Dont hang him until you know all the facts, resist the temptation.

[Ash]

Sorry but the story was that it was a minor accident. What was said was "Robertson is suffering from bruises from a minor traffic accident". Where is the mentioning that a guy had to be air lifted to hospital and was fighting for his life which sadly he lost? If the person writing it did not know the circumstances of the event then why publish it? The club might not have spoken to Robertson or the police at that time but the way they presented it was to make it sound like he was in a bad way. Notice how the story has now been pulled from the OS and all that remains is one sentence on the Reading preview saying "Robertson wont figure after being in a minor car crash over xmas".

 

The reality is if you work in media and you present news then get your facts right before you press the print button especially on a story like that. Now the dust has settled and true facts are coming out it would appear the boy was playing around with his stereo and crashed into the other car because of it. And now he has been arrested because of it. Soon as that story was told notice Saints distancing themselves from him? Notice the "Southampton decided not to comment on the incident" bit?

 

So the bit you say "shows no real thought for the process" makes me laugh because what process is that? Do the Saints OS follow a different line of conduct to the rest of us in the media? A journalists job is to know the facts and to print what has happened. How could he miss a 30 ton ambulance helicopter? Or the fact a motorway had to be closed to deal with it? Or maybe not even phone the hospital to find out that a guy was fighting for his life? So the reason the guy needs to be sacked is because he didnt do his job simple as that. How would you feel if that was your dad (or family member) and you saw that news piece saying it was "minor"? Of course you would be totally understanding im sure....

This is not investigative journalism, the BBC did not lead a Panorama documentary calling the incident a minor car crash. A football team's website put in the team news section that a player was involved in a minor car crash. Firstly, as the article was about the team's preparations for a fixture I think including news about a serious car accident would have been in extremely bad taste, secondly, the only proper way to report it would have been an article of its own but seeing as though the facts are still not fully known and the player is only ours for a matter of days it seems really unnecessary.

The person publishing it probably did so without fully understanding the seriousness of the situation, but seeing as though they work for the Saints website and not a serious mainstream news network I would think they don't have the resources to double check their facts like you suggest. The next time the physio tells the guy that Svensson is not in the match squad because his knee has been playing him up do you want Svensson to swing by the media office for a second opinion? Or should the guy get on with the rather trivial matter of relaying the team news to the fans?

You imply that you work in the media but I would wager that it is with something more weighty than what we are talking about here. The source of this news must have been either the player himself or the police, why would the club's media department find it necessary to look into motorways being closed down or hospital admissions?

"Hello is that the Hospital? I work for the Southampton Football Club website and I wonder if you could tell me whether or not there have been any serious implications from the road traffic accident which happened earlier today?"

[NickG]

far too reasonable!

[alpine_saint]

Which we all know that study is ******** and so what, Robertson was not on the phone. Dont hang him until you know all the facts, resist the temptation.

 

You dont consider changing song on an ipod as a similar exercise to doing an SMS or selecting a phone number ???

 

Bizarre..

[Alain Perrin]

What utter, utter bolllox. They ALL amount to the same thing - not being fully in control of your vehicle.

 

Did you know research has been done that suggests someone using their mobile phone is 3 times as dangerous to fellow road users as someone over the legal alcohol limit ?

 

Oh, and its "Fritzl" btw. You should make more effort to get your dim cliches correct.

 

Excellent! I think it is particularly creative the way that you've introduced mobile phones (note, something I didn't mention and abhor) into the equation to back up your strange stance.

 

I assume that (if you drive) you've got a car without a heater, stereo, never eaten or drunk anything whilst driving and remain in a Zen like focus not ever being distracted by anything inside or out of your vehicle. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.

 

When typing Fritzel I umm'd and ahh'd about Fritzel or Fritzl - I guess when dealing with a pedant like yourself I should use Google, but somehow for a paedophile, it didn't seem worth it. You comprehended, if not understood anyway.

[alpine_saint]

thought it was just football you did'nt speak sense on

 

I take that as a compliment from you, Mr. P.R. Plant..

[NickG]

Excellent! I think it is particularly creative the way that you've introduced mobile phones (note, something I didn't mention and abhor) into the equation to back up your strange stance.

 

I assume that (if you drive) you've got a car without a heater, stereo, never eaten or drunk anything whilst driving and remain in a Zen like focus not ever being distracted by anything inside or out of your vehicle. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.

When typing Fritzel I umm'd and ahh'd about Fritzel or Fritzl - I guess when dealing with a pedant like yourself I should use Google, but somehow for a paedophile, it didn't seem worth it. You comprehended, if not understood anyway.

 

surely not?

 

He has put his views on drivers and we should respect them

[Alain Perrin]

You dont consider changing song on an ipod as a similar exercise to doing an SMS or selecting a phone number ???

 

Bizarre..

 

Or changing radio station?

 

You don't know the facts.

 

Pressing 'Next' on an Ipod in a cradle, same as changing a radio station. Composing a playlist or searching for a particular Abba track, dangerous.

[alpine_saint]

Excellent! I think it is particularly creative the way that you've introduced mobile phones (note, something I didn't mention and abhor) into the equation to back up your strange stance.

 

I assume that (if you drive) you've got a car without a heater, stereo, never eaten or drunk anything whilst driving and remain in a Zen like focus not ever being distracted by anything inside or out of your vehicle. Otherwise you are a hypocrite.

 

When typing Fritzel I umm'd and ahh'd about Fritzel or Fritzl - I guess when dealing with a pedant like yourself I should use Google, but somehow for a paedophile, it didn't seem worth it. You comprehended, if not understood anyway.

 

See my post above as to why I compared ipods to mobile phones...

 

As for the rest of your post, well, it simply wasnt worth the oxygen it took to read it.

[NickG]

I take that as a compliment from you, Mr. P.R. Plant..

 

again, well argued, and witty, impressive man that you are. Try a football post rather pathetic old mans spite all the time. You don't even read peoples posts just throw insults without having the decency to read their point of view first. As in the boycott thread.

[alpine_saint]

Or changing radio station?

 

You don't know the facts.

 

Pressing 'Next' on an Ipod in a cradle, same as changing a radio station. Composing a playlist or searching for a particular Abba track, dangerous.

 

So you tell me then, why accidents dont occur with changing radio station, but sending SMS messages they do.

 

You are talking pedantic crap, and you know it.

[NickG]

Or changing radio station?

 

You don't know the facts.

 

Pressing 'Next' on an Ipod in a cradle, same as changing a radio station. Composing a playlist or searching for a particular Abba track, dangerous.

 

they undermine our youth!

[alpine_saint]

again, well argued, and witty, impressive man that you are. Try a football post rather pathetic old mans spite all the time. You don't even read peoples posts just throw insults without having the decency to read their point of view first. As in the boycott thread.

 

Whereas you are just out on a wind-up whenever somebody is not swayed by the sheer volume of gullible Lowe Luvvie posting you make...

[NickG]

go on do a search and read them -or once again will facts undermine you?

 

Do a search, or even just read that one boycott thread and once again realise you are wrong and just throw empty insults.

[alpine_saint]

go on do a search and read them -or once again will facts undermine you?

 

Do a search, or even just read that one boycott thread and once again realise you are wrong and just throw empty insults.

 

How much are you being paid ?

[Micky]

Interesting debate - sad to see that the usual suspects are out to deliver the coup de gras based on a few lines of 'hurried journolism' and very little fact. It is a tragic case, young man involved in a RTA where another man tragically loses his life.

 

And the facts that we do actually know, that JR allegedly was changing tracks on an iPod. How do we know that - well we can only assume that he admitted that much to the police (in which case well done him). But does that mean that he was (is) totally to blame for the accident. Do we know for sure that the deceased gent didn't do something that contributed to this accident? Was a 3rd party involved, who failed to stop? What other contributing factors were ?

 

Perhaps it would be wise to allow all of the facts to be considered before we open the trap door or pull the trigger - eh - just a thought.

[alpine_saint]

Interesting debate - sad to see that the usual suspects are out to deliver the coup de gras based on a few lines of 'hurried journolism' and very little fact. It is a tragic case, young man involved in a RTA where another man tragically loses his life.

 

And the facts that we do actually know, that JR allegedly was changing tracks on an iPod. How do we know that - well we can only assume that he admitted that much to the police (in which case well done him). But does that mean that he was (is) totally to blame for the accident. Do we know for sure that the deceased gent didn't do something that contributed to this accident? Was a 3rd party involved, who failed to stop? What other contributing factors were ?

 

Perhaps it would be wise to allow all of the facts to be considered before we open the trap door or pull the trigger - eh - just a thought.

 

With all due respect, given the history of professional footballers and their driving conduct, I think it is entirely understandable that certain conclusions have been drawn on the basis of limited facts. The police obviously feel there was sufficent information to make an arrest.

[Fan The Flames]

With all due respect, given the history of professional footballers and their driving conduct, I think it is entirely understandable that certain conclusions have been drawn on the basis of limited facts. The police obviously feel there was sufficent information to make an arrest.

 

You are obviously on a wind up now. Lets see if you are man enough to take it all back if there is no case against JR.

[swastika eyes]

I should use Google, but somehow for a paedophile, it didn't seem worth it.

 

Alain you really shouldn't admit to that on this thread, this one's about Saints related driving.

[Micky]

With all due respect, given the history of professional footballers and their driving conduct, I think it is entirely understandable that certain conclusions have been drawn on the basis of limited facts. The police obviously feel there was sufficent information to make an arrest.

 

Ohhh I see - so you are actually judging him and making assumptions based on accounts of what other players have done at the wheel of their motor vehicles - good plan, could probably save loads on legal fees if such a concept was introduced - but I doubt it ever will be.

[St Marco]

This is not investigative journalism, the BBC did not lead a Panorama documentary calling the incident a minor car crash. A football team's website put in the team news section that a player was involved in a minor car crash. Firstly, as the article was about the team's preparations for a fixture I think including news about a serious car accident would have been in extremely bad taste, secondly, the only proper way to report it would have been an article of its own but seeing as though the facts are still not fully known and the player is only ours for a matter of days it seems really unnecessary.

The person publishing it probably did so without fully understanding the seriousness of the situation, but seeing as though they work for the Saints website and not a serious mainstream news network I would think they don't have the resources to double check their facts like you suggest. The next time the physio tells the guy that Svensson is not in the match squad because his knee has been playing him up do you want Svensson to swing by the media office for a second opinion? Or should the guy get on with the rather trivial matter of relaying the team news to the fans?

You imply that you work in the media but I would wager that it is with something more weighty than what we are talking about here. The source of this news must have been either the player himself or the police, why would the club's media department find it necessary to look into motorways being closed down or hospital admissions?

"Hello is that the Hospital? I work for the Southampton Football Club website and I wonder if you could tell me whether or not there have been any serious implications from the road traffic accident which happened earlier today?"

 

It didnt stop the echo/bbc/sky from finding the right facts did it.....you would think a source closer to home i.e the club who pay his wages and supposedly give him a place to sleep would be more up on details before the others would you not? So as i said three times now....if your a journalist your job is to report things you know, not speculate. Look at the Sheff United website, what did they say? "It is an unfortunate tragedy and our condolences go out to the family of Mr Mohamed but Sheffield United cannot make further comment as it is a police matter."

No mention of the words "minor" nor "accident"...

 

What did we say?

"Robertson will not be playing due to suffering bruises from a minor car accident".....

Do you see the difference there?

 

Now dont get me wrong im not judging Robertson, i have not said one bad thing about him. But if this reporter that you are failing badly to stick up for has any knowledge of the media he/she would know to follow sources and not print on anything your not sure of. Why? Because in this day and age even the slightest thing wrong = libel. You would think having a boss who is well known for taking people to court for libel that they would know that wouldnt you?

 

So again you can attempt to stick up for the reporting policy all you like but it makes no difference. They should of phoned the hospital and asked what was going on. That is not ilegal, or did you not know that either?

[saintwarwick]

Interesting debate - sad to see that the usual suspects are out to deliver the coup de gras based on a few lines of 'hurried journolism' and very little fact. It is a tragic case, young man involved in a RTA where another man tragically loses his life.

 

And the facts that we do actually know, that JR allegedly was changing tracks on an iPod. How do we know that - well we can only assume that he admitted that much to the police (in which case well done him). But does that mean that he was (is) totally to blame for the accident. Do we know for sure that the deceased gent didn't do something that contributed to this accident? Was a 3rd party involved, who failed to stop? What other contributing factors were ?

 

Perhaps it would be wise to allow all of the facts to be considered before we open the trap door or pull the trigger - eh - just a thought.

 

Absolutely, it seems to some he is guilty before being charged. Let's wait for the full facts before passing judgement.

[alpine_saint]

You are obviously on a wind up now. Lets see if you are man enough to take it all back if there is no case against JR.

 

OK. Fair enough.

[alpine_saint]

 

What did we say?

"Robertson will not be playing due to suffering bruises from a minor car accident".....

Do you see the difference there?

 

 

Also, why are the Daily Mail saying the loan finished on the 13th ??? Seems to me there has been sloppy journalism from more than one source.

[Alain Perrin]

What did we say?

"Robertson will not be playing due to suffering bruises from a minor car accident".....

Do you see the difference there?

 

I think the OS are completely in the clear here.

 

All it was doing was reporting the facts as it knew them (on a day when most probably not working). I don't know what happened but I guess the call went something like this:

 

[Ring Ring]

"Hello Jordan here, I won't be able to come to the game as I've had a car accident"

"Are you okay?"

"Yes, just cuts and bruises, the other guy is in hospital though"

"Ok, see you"

[sound of a phone being put down]

"Oi John, mark Jordan down as not being able to play, he's bruised after a car accident"

"No problem Steve, should I ring the hospitals/police in the area to find out more?"

"Don't bother John, that would be a waste of time after all we are a football website. I'm sure the cyberwarriors won't spend time worrying about that....."

 

... not forgetting that someone lost their life and that makes every argument on here petty in comparison.

[hypochondriac]

And its really annoying you, isnt it ?

 

Not really. I'll just bring it up in the future as an example of you not having a clue what you are talking about.

[Kaiser Soze]

There are too many people on here making damning judgements before waiting to see the facts.

 

Thoughts go out to Robertson at a difficult time

[eelpie]

Yet more economies of truth on the OS? Either his contract ended on 13th or it didn't....and thus he was either available for selection or back at Sheff Utd.

 

What's wrong with telling us the truth once in a while?

 

(p.s. the Daily Mail article also suggests that Dyer is back when it says that Robertson is back at Sheff Utd and that the 'player swap deal' with Saints terminated)

 

Jut possibly the guy who sadly lost his life was still in a coma when the OS and The Echo originally broke the news.

 

Very sad.

[Give it to Ron]

There are too many people on here making damning judgements before waiting to see the facts.

 

Thoughts go out to Robertson at a difficult time[/quote

 

Agreed and great sympathy for the other mans family of course.

I have met Jordan at the Mountbatten sports quiz and had a chat to him.

My impression of him was that he is a very shy and quiet lad and not the brash and ****y git that some of them can be.

Not that this has any relevance to his accident but just for those that want to label him in with others that have been in trouble before.

[trousers]

Jut possibly the guy who sadly lost his life was still in a coma when the OS and The Echo originally broke the news.

 

Very sad.

 

Of course.

 

But not sure what that's got to do with the accuracy of the reporting of player contract dates?

[Matt SFC]

As this thread continues it becomes more evident in each one of Alpine Saint posts that he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

 

In particular this post:

With all due respect, given the history of professional footballers and their driving conduct, I think it is entirely understandable that certain conclusions have been drawn on the basis of limited facts. The police obviously feel there was sufficent information to make an arrest.

 

 

Basically silly comments from a silly man.