Master Bates Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 (edited) Rasiak to join Watford in 24hrs, oo'er Edited 15 August, 2008 by Master Bates
tiger Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Fairly inevitable I guess but for Watford to have more cash to splash than us you realise just how far we have fallen. If John goes (he has been told he can go if a club matches his wages) we will be very lightweight upfront.
John B Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 tiger said: Fairly inevitable I guess but for Watford to have more cash to splash than us you realise just how far we have fallen. If John goes (he has been told he can go if a club matches his wages) we will be very lightweight upfront. Watford sold a defender recently for £4million
Ian the Red Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Rasiak not so much of a loss but John would be a great loss if Tiger is right
labibs Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Watford have parachute payments as well and sold Henderson / let Ellington go out on loan, freeing up wages etc... I expect Greg will go on loan initially, maybe up until Christmas? He should score a few and then we can get a fee for him. A shame, I still think he is a player who has a lot to offer in this league, but definitely makes financial sense.
trousers Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Master Bates said: Rasiak to join Watford in 24hrs, oo'er Source? Ta
Saint Martini Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 I'm not so sure John is one of the main candidates for a transfer. He played in the cup and it looks like he's a main part of Jan's plans. With Saga and Rasiak gone (assuming MB is right) I think we've offloaded enough strikers and pretty much only Skacel and Euell are the ones we really want to get rid off.
madruss Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Saint Martini said: I'm not so sure John is one of the main candidates for a transfer. He played in the cup and it looks like he's a main part of Jan's plans. With Saga and Rasiak gone (assuming MB is right) I think we've offloaded enough strikers and pretty much only Skacel and Euell are the ones we really want to get rid off. Agreed. John's hold up play is far superior to Rasiak's and he will therefore be able to contibute a lot more to the team, given the new formation. Anyone can see we can't afford both Rasiak and John, and if we can hold on to SJ we could do well this season
dubai_phil Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Saint Martini said: I'm not so sure John is one of the main candidates for a transfer. He played in the cup and it looks like he's a main part of Jan's plans. With Saga and Rasiak gone (assuming MB is right) I think we've offloaded enough strikers and pretty much only Skacel and Euell are the ones we really want to get rid off. But pretty sure that the maths is At least ONE of Skacel, Euell & anyone else. So if we DON'T move those two out we start to have to find the money elsewhere. We have to choose, think we should all be out there trying to sell JE & RS tbh
Johnny Shearer Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 If he goes on loan to Watford they wont buy at all. It'll be like the Bolton situation. They'll take him, use him and just give him back at a later date. I suppose it will get his wages of our books. Saints will have to keep hold of John though.
Saint Martini Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Johnny Shearer said: If he goes on loan to Watford they wont buy at all. It'll be like the Bolton situation. They'll take him, use him and just give him back at a later date. I suppose it will get his wages of our books. Saints will have to keep hold of John though. We got some cash for the Rasiak loan deal as well, so if that's what Watford are going to do fine with me. We would have him off our books, he'll play matches in the CCC so he'll be in the shop window and we get a bit off cash.
Master Bates Posted 14 August, 2008 Author Posted 14 August, 2008 trousers said: Source? Ta Silly question indeed
SaintDonkey Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 This rumour was about yesterday as well - isn't the pupported 24 hours up yet?
dubai_phil Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Master Bates said: Silly question indeed It was a bloke in a pub at lunchtime who'd just flown in from Cern in Switzerland wasn't it :-)
ottery st mary Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 The Watford Manager said Striker signed by Friday.
Saint Klaus I Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 http://www.rivals.net/news/pgarticle.aspx?artid=13602_3981620&id=74
Master Bates Posted 14 August, 2008 Author Posted 14 August, 2008 dubai_phil said: It was a bloke in a pub at lunchtime who'd just flown in from Cern in Switzerland wasn't it :-) Nah, BUT looks like someone has a link.
Saint Martini Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 ottery st mary said: The Watford Manager said Striker signed by Friday. Friday? O'RLY?
dubai_phil Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Master Bates said: Nah, BUT looks like someone has a link. ah ha so you told him as it was rumoured on a thread on here and he posted it as you are an impeccable source and then you posted his posting of your posting Wonder if he posted the first post of the post chain of posts :-) arrghhh head explodes, but tbh seems pretty sensible and likely
DT Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 He's a funny one, Rasiak. For someone who scores so many goals he sure looks like someone who can't. I suspect he's got a bit of an attitude, and he looks like he runs in treacle, half the time. And yet he always seems to pop up with important goals. Like the one he'll get for Watford against us. Still, if we can get good money, I say tata.
Master Bates Posted 14 August, 2008 Author Posted 14 August, 2008 dubai_phil said: ah ha so you told him as it was rumoured on a thread on here and he posted it as you are an impeccable source and then you posted his posting of your posting Wonder if he posted the first post of the post chain of posts :-) arrghhh head explodes, but tbh seems pretty sensible and likely No conspiracy here, unless Roswell pops up.
egreog Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Good move for him and better move for Saints...........will give Watford some much needed pace up front!! lol
RMoo2 Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 He is signing on loan for Watford. My brother works for them and is down here sorting it out. We will get a loan fee and of course they will cover his wages, option to buy when loan is finished.
ottery st mary Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Saint Martini said: Friday? O'RLY? Yes Siree the same day as our takeover, allegedly.
trousers Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 egreog said: Good move for him and better move for Saints Not if his overall season performances secure Watford a promotion spot at our expense.....that would cost us £60m....
buctootim Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 trousers said: Not if his overall season performances secure Watford a promotion spot at our expense.....that would cost us £60m.... a) loan him out, see him score to keep us from promotion and lose £60m. b) keep him, have to pay £750,000 in wages and go bankrupt.
SaintDonkey Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Well if he does go to Watford on loan at we should be able to negotiate it so he can't play against us in October. Hopefully by then he'll have established himself as the focal point of Watford's signature 'hoof it up to the big man' style and they'll flounder without him handing us an easy victory. Then by the time December comes Saints will be financially secure after sell outs at every match and Greg can come back, force his way back into the Saints side by February and score a hattrick against Watford at Vicarage Road
AlfredKo Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 SaintDonkey said: Well if he does go to Watford on loan at we should be able to negotiate it so he can't play against us in October. Hopefully by then he'll have established himself as the focal point of Watford's signature 'hoof it up to the big man' style and they'll flounder without him handing us an easy victory. Then by the time December comes Saints will be financially secure after sell outs at every match and Greg can come back, force his way back into the Saints side by February and score a hattrick against Watford at Vicarage Road Plus Saganowski can come back from Denmark, if we keep a good shape in the first half of this season, I am sure the second half of the season will be fairly easy.
trousers Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 buctootim said: a) loan him out, see him score to keep us from promotion and lose £60m. b) keep him, have to pay £750,000 in wages and go bankrupt. Is the answer (a) ?
buctootim Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 trousers said: Is the answer (a) ? I'll let you know in May.
ozzmeister Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 How long is Rasiaks contract. If it is a six month loan then after that period (and Rasiak only has one year left) could Watford simply sign him on bosmans free?
Rebel Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 it's a bit of a surprise he's joining Watford really if its true as he not exactly going to fit their long ball 'hoof it' style he may move about a bit - but he's slow doing it and he's not exactly dominant in the air either is he - or aggressive enough to lead their line although immobile I would have thought John would have suited their style better (although I still expect him to end up at Stoke or Hull on loan once they realise they can't sign anyone else) then again he's not great in the air either!
Danny R Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Watford do like to use wingers like Tommy Smith who can deliver into the right areas for Grzg to be deadly.
JustMike Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Ian the Red said: Rasiak not so much of a loss but John would be a great loss if Tiger is right i disagree, Rasiak will score goals in this division as he has proven in the past.
Danny R Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Danny R said: Watford do like to use wingers like Tommy Smith who can deliver into the right areas for Grzg to be deadly. Also, if he is still 95-1 to be the Championship top scorer, it is well worth a tenner.
ottery st mary Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 I have heard that Watford are converting to TOTAL football, a Dutch method apparently.
alpine_saint Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run. F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance. T**t.
Stu Man Do Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 RMoo2 said: He is signing on loan for Watford. My brother works for them and is down here sorting it out. We will get a loan fee and of course they will cover his wages, option to buy when loan is finished. Does this mean he will be unable to play against us during his loan period?
PokingFun Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 alpine_saint said: Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run. F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance. T**t. FFS Alpine calm down - Rasiak has not played for us properly for over 18 months..
tommi Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Danny R said: Also, if he is still 95-1 to be the Championship top scorer, it is well worth a tenner. My thoughts exactly - I just had £10 at 55/1....
John B Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 alpine_saint said: Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run. F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance. T**t. I think that rant is slightly over the top. Rasiak has hardly played for us in the last year and in the present financial climate it seems a good deal to me.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 Rasiak leaving would probably be the least surprising development of the summer - we just can't afford him I'm sorry to say . With Saganowski and Rasiak gone (if true) it should go without saying that Stern John must now stay unless replaced by a proven CCC quality striker . David McGoldrick has made a very promising start to the season but IMO we cannot prudently rely on him or BWP to score enough goals to keep us up this season .
SB Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 alpine_saint said: Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run. F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance. T**t. The **** is you.. I've never knocked Rasiak, nobody can argue with his score ratio? But his heart isn’t at the club, and his ££ is another issue which IS important.. If he had passion and desirer to play for Southampton then maybe I'd agree with what you said, but until he shows that he'd like to stay, then selling him is the best option for both sides.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 SB said: The **** is you.. I've never knocked Rasiak, nobody can argue with his score ratio? But his heart isn’t at the club, and his ££ is another issue which IS important.. If he had passion and desirer to play for Southampton then maybe I'd agree with what you said, but until he shows that he'd like to stay, then selling him is the best option for both sides. Do you know him then? another poster making assumptions about a players desire to play for Saints or leave? he might love it at Saints and want to stay or might have been frozen out to balance the books and cut the wage bill. If he does go i'd say good luck to him. I will never forget his late goal at Derby in the play off semi. Saints probably don't have another player on their books who could have scored that goal on the night.
saintwarwick Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 alpine_saint said: Great, let's give all our decent strikers away for nothing, especially as McG will be flogged at xmas if he keeps up his goal run. F**king joke. Lowe isnt the slightest bit interested in keeping the team going, just so long as the figures balance. T**t. So you understand this part, this is the reason we have to unload him. As for Mcgoaldrick being sold at xmas if he keeps his scoring going you really are talking sh1te again.
saintwarwick Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 AndyNorthernSaints said: Do you know him then? another poster making assumptions about a players desire to play for Saints or leave? he might love it at Saints and want to stay or might have been frozen out to balance the books and cut the wage bill. If he does go i'd say good luck to him. I will never forget his late goal at Derby in the play off semi. Saints probably don't have another player on their books who could have scored that goal on the night. Stern John.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 saintwarwick said: Stern John. Rasiak is a better finisher IMO.
Ludwig Posted 14 August, 2008 Posted 14 August, 2008 I told you all this ages ago. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=6169&postcount=3 A week ago today, in fact.
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