Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 So, the yearly football manager style thread is open. What do you think will happen this off-season, and who would you like to bring in (realistically). I am basing this on us qualifying for the Europa League. This is how I see it: Out Schneiderlin - £26m, £40k saved wages Clyne - £18m, £20k saved wages Ramirez - £4m, £60k saved wages Alderweireld - NA Djuricic - NA Elia - NA In Clasie - £14m, £30k wages Gignac – Free, £50k wages Trippier - £5m, £25k wages Nordfeldt - £3m, £20k wages Depay - £18m, £50k wages Van Dijk - £7m, £30k wages I know Depay is probably unlikely, but can only try. If not, we would need another winger/attacking mid. Who would you like to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 So, the yearly football manager style thread is open. What do you think will happen this off-season, and who would you like to bring in (realistically). I am basing this on us qualifying for the Europa League. This is how I see it: Out Schneiderlin - £26m, £40k saved wages Clyne - £18m, £20k saved wages Ramirez - £4m, £60k saved wages Alderweireld - NA Djuricic - NA Elia - NA In Clasie - £14m, £30k wages Gignac – Free, £50k wages Trippier - £5m, £25k wages Nordfeldt - £3m, £20k wages Depay - £18m, £50k wages Van Dijk - £7m, £30k wages I know Depay is probably unlikely, but can only try. If not, we would need another winger/attacking mid. Who would you like to see? Gignac is currently on 4.2 million €s a year, these things are less secret squirrel in France, so about 70K£ a week or so, we'd need to pay him far more than 50K a week, won't sign for us anyway and we'd not be the losers in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Gignac is currently on 4.2 million €s a year, these things are less secret squirrel in France, so about 70K£ a week or so, we'd need to pay him far more than 50K a week, won't sign for us anyway and we'd not be the losers in that. Ok, cool, for that much he's not worth it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I would be Amaze if we don't sign Elia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 We won't spend more than we bring in. No chance. If we sell Clyne a good option to replace him is Richards on a free, he wants to go somewhere he'll get first team football, has plenty of experience and has proven himself in this league and for england before injuries and zabaleta made a mess of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I would be Amaze if we don't sign Elia I'm not sure I actually rate him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2015 We won't spend more than we bring in. No chance. If we sell Clyne a good option to replace him is Richards on a free, he wants to go somewhere he'll get first team football, has plenty of experience and has proven himself in this league and for england before injuries and zabaleta made a mess of his career. That's fine, as I've got us spending £1m less looking at that... Richards may be a good bet, but would have thought he'd be on very high wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I'm not even going to bother with this summers exodus, I'm going to ahead and predict the summer after! Wanyama 23 million to Man city Reed 17 million to man Utd Gazzaniga undisclosed fee to whoever Nigel is managing. As for ins this summer Håvard Nordtveit 9 million jurgen Locadia for 15 million Riyad mahrez or Jeffrey Schlupp for 6 million instead of signing Elia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Well at the end of the season this automatically happens when loans finish: In: Ramirez - £55k Osvaldo - £55k Stephens - £Unknown Turnbull - £Unknown Out Alderweireld - £70k Elia - £40k Djuricic - £10k So that is the wage bill probably neutral from those transactions. Then in the summer I estimate this: Out Schneiderlin - £25m, £40k wages. Clyne - £15m, £20k wages Rodriguez - £15m, £30k wages Hooiveld - Out of contract (no wages saved as already out on loan - assuming Millwall are paying full whack). Boruc - Out of contract (no wages saved as already out on loan - assuming Bournemouth are paying full whack). Ramirez - Loan (team paying all £55k of wage) Osvaldo - Loan (team paying all of £55k wage) Mayuka - Loan (team paying all of £25k wage) To temper some of the wage saving I would expect most of the younger players to have wage accelerators in their contract for every year they are here. JWP, Reed, Targett, Stephens, Turnbull etc. That will impact wage budgets. Lets say they take up an extra £25k a week between them. So I make that £55m in fees and freeing up £200k a week for wages assuming the existing budget is what remains for next season. Not sure how much we'll spend and on how many players - suspect what (if any) European competition we're in will impact how we approach how big the squad needs to be. Suspect we'll sign Elia (£5m, £40k a week?) and we've got an Alderweireld, Schneiderlin, Clyne, and Rodriguez to replace too - apart from Alderweireld to effectively replace the other three will cost more in wages than they currently earn so it's going to be difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I'd let Clyne's contract run down and rather than sell him this summer, there's no way we'd get 18m for him with a year on his contract. I don't think anyone is desperate enough. Richards is barely getting a game for Fiorentina, he'd be a huge step down. I'd look to bring in a right back this summer anyway, they can play second choice to Clyne for a season. Sign a proper centre forward rather than someone who can do a job in a couple of positions. Gignac fits the bill. Personally I'd like to see us spend the majority of our budget on a centre forward, get someone really class in. Sign Elia, can't imagine he will cost much. Spend any money we get from the Schneiderlin sale trying to tie down Alderwiereld. Then we would just need a replacement for Schneiderlin, there's no way Reed is ready and when you play two defensive mids you need at least three there. Steven Davis and JWP can't play that role IMO. A little bit of scouting and I think there are quite a few young players who can play alongside and compliment Wanyamas style. If we lose Toby, Schneiderlin and Clyne in the summer I think we will really struggle to replace those three and sign the players we need to beef up the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Well at the end of the season this automatically happens when loans finish: In: Ramirez - £55k Osvaldo - £55k Stephens - £Unknown Turnbull - £Unknown Out Alderweireld - £70k Elia - £40k Djuricic - £10k So that is the wage bill probably neutral from those transactions. Then in the summer I estimate this: Out Schneiderlin - £25m, £40k wages. Clyne - £15m, £20k wages Rodriguez - £15m, £30k wages Hooiveld - Out of contract (no wages saved as already out on loan - assuming Millwall are paying full whack). Boruc - Out of contract (no wages saved as already out on loan - assuming Bournemouth are paying full whack). Ramirez - Loan (team paying all £55k of wage) Osvaldo - Loan (team paying all of £55k wage) Mayuka - Loan (team paying all of £25k wage) To temper some of the wage saving I would expect most of the younger players to have wage accelerators in their contract for every year they are here. JWP, Reed, Targett, Stephens, Turnbull etc. That will impact wage budgets. Lets say they take up an extra £25k a week between them. So I make that £55m in fees and freeing up £200k a week for wages assuming the existing budget is what remains for next season. Not sure how much we'll spend and on how many players - suspect what (if any) European competition we're in will impact how we approach how big the squad needs to be. Suspect we'll sign Elia (£5m, £40k a week?) and we've got an Alderweireld, Schneiderlin, Clyne, and Rodriguez to replace too - apart from Alderweireld to effectively replace the other three will cost more in wages than they currently earn so it's going to be difficult. As if we're getting 15m for Jay Rod, he was only just worth that before his injury... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I reckon people might fancy Mané, but largely it's defensively (especially defensive midfield) we need to worry about player departures. There is one person we need to retain no matter what though, and that's Koeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2015 How much would Benteke cost now I wonder..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 As if we're getting 15m for Jay Rod, he was only just worth that before his injury... I reckon there are several clubs that would go for him at £15m as long as he could pass a medical. Our Argentinian friend in North London for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Well at the end of the season this automatically happens when loans finish: In: Ramirez - £55k Osvaldo - £55k Stephens - £Unknown Turnbull - £Unknown Out Alderweireld - £70k Elia - £40k Djuricic - £10k So that is the wage bill probably neutral from those transactions. Then in the summer I estimate this: Out Schneiderlin - £25m, £40k wages. Clyne - £15m, £20k wages Rodriguez - £15m, £30k wages Hooiveld - Out of contract (no wages saved as already out on loan - assuming Millwall are paying full whack). Boruc - Out of contract (no wages saved as already out on loan - assuming Bournemouth are paying full whack). Ramirez - Loan (team paying all £55k of wage) Osvaldo - Loan (team paying all of £55k wage) Mayuka - Loan (team paying all of £25k wage) To temper some of the wage saving I would expect most of the younger players to have wage accelerators in their contract for every year they are here. JWP, Reed, Targett, Stephens, Turnbull etc. That will impact wage budgets. Lets say they take up an extra £25k a week between them. So I make that £55m in fees and freeing up £200k a week for wages assuming the existing budget is what remains for next season. Not sure how much we'll spend and on how many players - suspect what (if any) European competition we're in will impact how we approach how big the squad needs to be. Suspect we'll sign Elia (£5m, £40k a week?) and we've got an Alderweireld, Schneiderlin, Clyne, and Rodriguez to replace too - apart from Alderweireld to effectively replace the other three will cost more in wages than they currently earn so it's going to be difficult. Good post. Necessarily speculative, but it's a more realistic look at things than similar exercises. Even with the emergence of Reed, I can also see us bringing another midfielder in to replace Cork, as we tried with Vilhena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I reckon people might fancy Mané, but largely it's defensively (especially defensive midfield) we need to worry about player departures. There is one person we need to retain no matter what though, and that's Koeman. Everyone's replaceable. Surely last Summer shows us that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Everyone's replaceable. Surely last Summer shows us that. Nobody's irreplaceable but some are harder to replace than others. In the main, our best players this season have largely been our old squad, not our new signings. For all the players we've brought in, we're still missing something up top and wouldn't be surprised if this is a priority area in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Nobody's irreplaceable but some are harder to replace than others. In the main, our best players this season have largely been our old squad, not our new signings. For all the players we've brought in, we're still missing something up top and wouldn't be surprised if this is a priority area in the summer. It has to be a priority, although I think it depends on what happens with Jrod... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Out Gaston - 4 million Osvaldo - Breach of contract - court case Clyne - 15 Million Morgan - 25 Million Ins Gourcuff - Free Transfer Claise - 15 Milllion Byram - 5 million Trippier - 8 million Toby - if he wants first team football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I really can't see Morgan going for under £30m if we got £25m for Captain ****beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I really can't see Morgan going for under £30m if we got £25m for Captain ****beard Then you are deluded, we'll get 20 million maximum, no one is going to offer us any more, it's the going top rate for a player in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 We won't spend more than we bring in. No chance. If we sell Clyne a good option to replace him is Richards on a free, he wants to go somewhere he'll get first team football, has plenty of experience and has proven himself in this league and for england before injuries and zabaleta made a mess of his career. How's it going for Micah at Fiorentina? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notnowcato Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 That's fine, as I've got us spending £1m less looking at that... Richards may be a good bet, but would have thought he'd be on very high wages. High wages compared to his actual worth to the team... Overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Love a bit of transfer summer speculation. Jeff's original post is a good effort. I'm going to assume we lose 4 in the summer: Clyne > Trippier Alderweireld > van Dijk Schneiderlin > Clasie J-Rod > Depay Jury still out on retaining Elia & Djuricic. Plus, we still need a Cork replacement & another striker so: - Vilhena - Ings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I'm much more concerned with keeping RK in I'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I'm much more concerned with keeping RK in I'm honest. True, and he'd be the key in securing most of the Dutch players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 How's it going for Micah at Fiorentina? Doesn't play much as they prefer a 3-5-2 and the manager doesn't see him as a CB or as a wide player in the 3-5-2. He's crap, hasn't lived up to his potential and would be on huge wages. Exactly the opposite sort of player we should be after... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I reckon people might fancy Mané, but largely it's defensively (especially defensive midfield) we need to worry about player departures. There is one person we need to retain no matter what though, and that's Koeman. One would have thought so but if even Ronald Koeman does not have enough charisma and drawing power to hold onto Toby, Morgan & Clyney then we maybe are over-egging the cake a bit on his appeal to players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Look like another summer of upheaval, though hopefully not as stressful as last summer. Let's pray we can keep our success going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 Get Ings please Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 26 February, 2015 Share Posted 26 February, 2015 I think it's the obvious suspects to go, but wouldn't be surprised to see another large turnover in players now the Koeman has his feet firmly under the table and has had a bit of time to formulate a plan for next year. If we were to qualify for Champions League I would suspect the purse strings would be released a bit more, especially with the extra TV revenue from both that and the Sky deal. Outs : Boruc Ramirez Alderweireld Schneiderlin Clyne Elia Djurajcic Osvaldo (please!) Hooiveld Ins: Haven't a clue, as I don't follow the European Leagues, although there are some obvious names being chucked around such as Clasie. I really would like to see us with a 20 goal a year player, but they are incredibly rare and exorbitantly expensive. From the Premier League I think Ings, Austin, Benteke might be able to make the step up but as a cheeky outsider, why not pay the extra cash in wages and see if Utd would swap Clyne for Van Persie plus a cash adjustment our way? I know he's over 30, but 2 class (and injury free....) years from him could give us a chance to make the next step up. I have a feeling he will move on from Utd this year regardless. The big unknown is Rodriguez. Will he go? If he stays will he be the player he was before injury? After such a serious injury I think I would take the money and run. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple more of the younger players become more regular with the 1st team, and I wouldn't mind that if we have invested heavily in just 2 or 3 top players. I think Reed is an awesome prospect and would be as good already as Schneiderlin was a couple of years ago - but is that good enough for us right now? I think Stephens will be back in the squad next year and that will be the make or break year for him. I also think McCarthy could step up on a regular basis and is at least as good as Byram - but I would love us to get Trippier. I'd love to see Seager get a chance before the end of this season to see how he does. From the time he joined, the coaching staff were saying he had an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time and it could be possible we have a gem right under our own noses if he is given the opportunity. It's about time one of our striking prospects made the breakthrough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 I'm not sure I actually rate him... Potentially world class according to some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Look like another summer of upheaval, though hopefully not as stressful as last summer. Let's pray we can keep our success going. Surely with all that ambition we have, the players won't want to be going anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Surely with all that ambition we have, the players won't want to be going anywhere? Yep, because that's the only factor players consider when looking at the next move in their career... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Surely with all that ambition we have, the players won't want to be going anywhere? Still dim, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Surely with all that ambition we have, the players won't want to be going anywhere? and of course, money doesn't come into it at all. I mean..... .who would want to earn £5 million a year, when they could be quite happy on £2 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 looks like an interesting summer again... Deffo leaving Clyne Morgan Probably leaving Toby Maybe Rodriguez Obviously, Boruc and those others who's contract runs out will go with the sale of Gaston and Osvaldo (hopefully) We need a GK to give FF more competition, a new RB, Another top class CB (if toby goes), a CM and (IMO) A pelle like striker I can see Elia signing if he is cheap enough and not sure of Djuricic. cant see how different he is to tadic (yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxford_lou Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Potentially world class according to some Koeman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Get Ings please Les. This. No idea where he may end up; lots of regular speculation that it will be one of the top clubs, but then he has talks with Moyes about Real Soc, which is a bit left field but not the worst move for him. Would be an excellent result if we get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 This. No idea where he may end up; lots of regular speculation that it will be one of the top clubs, but then he has talks with Moyes about Real Soc, which is a bit left field but not the worst move for him. Would be an excellent result if we get him Thought he'd said that he'll not go to Sociedad and wants to join Liverpool, could be just press speculation on behalf of the Liverpool FC party though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Thought he'd said that he'll not go to Sociedad and wants to join Liverpool, could be just press speculation on behalf of the Liverpool FC party though. I heard that too; like I said there are lots of stories out there about him and its not at all clear where he may go. But I think he can be a top player and he also seems to be very decent guy. Add in young, english and a goalscorer then the wage bill and signing on fee will be pretty hefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 I'm much more concerned with keeping RK in I'm honest. I think he will see out his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Surely with all that ambition we have, the players won't want to be going anywhere? Of course it is all about ambition isn't it - nothing to do with the huge amount of money that the big clubs can spend on wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 What's the Elia fee - about £3m, wasn't it? I'd definitely pay that for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 looks like an interesting summer again... Deffo leaving Clyne Morgan Probably leaving Toby Maybe Rodriguez Obviously, Boruc and those others who's contract runs out will go with the sale of Gaston and Osvaldo (hopefully) We need a GK to give FF more competition, a new RB, Another top class CB (if toby goes), a CM and (IMO) A pelle like striker I can see Elia signing if he is cheap enough and not sure of Djuricic. cant see how different he is to tadic (yet) Is that Schneiderlin as definitely leaving as he was when you told us he was definitely leaving last summer? I think there is a good chance he will go but he may not. You said were a realist last summer, when stating he would go and that we would be worse this season than last. We have no idea which clubs will actually come up with a bid, a lot is random gossip or agent talk. The higher we finish the less clubs are automatic choices for players, we don't know what wages etc, there is good chance that most players would go if Man U , Man C or Chelsea make an offer, if for example we qualified for CL and Arsenal didn't the decision less obvious, would players now leave for Everton? Who knows who will leave but sure club will get decent replacements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 What's the Elia fee - about £3m, wasn't it? I'd definitely pay that for him. but we are backed by a person that owns more than than the shareholders of Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs (maybe), she could compete if she wanted to, Chelsea and City have shown that's possible over the last decade or so. We cant compete with their history or even their fanbase so some extent, but its actually not that hard to pay Clyne 80K a week if she wanted to. That would spell real ambition, but if we are not ambitious then fine, its not an issue, its just, what are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Koeman? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 but we are backed by a person that owns more than than the shareholders of Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs (maybe), she could compete if she wanted to, Chelsea and City have shown that's possible over the last decade or so. We cant compete with their history or even their fanbase so some extent, but its actually not that hard to pay Clyne 80K a week if she wanted to. That would spell real ambition, but if we are not ambitious then fine, its not an issue, its just, what are we? Oh, please. You should've supported Pompey if that's your idea of 'ambition'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 but we are backed by a person that owns more than than the shareholders of Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs (maybe), she could compete if she wanted to, Chelsea and City have shown that's possible over the last decade or so. We cant compete with their history or even their fanbase so some extent, but its actually not that hard to pay Clyne 80K a week if she wanted to. That would spell real ambition, but if we are not ambitious then fine, its not an issue, its just, what are we? What about FFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 27 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2015 but we are backed by a person that owns more than than the shareholders of Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs (maybe), she could compete if she wanted to, Chelsea and City have shown that's possible over the last decade or so. We cant compete with their history or even their fanbase so some extent, but its actually not that hard to pay Clyne 80K a week if she wanted to. That would spell real ambition, but if we are not ambitious then fine, its not an issue, its just, what are we? Do you understand what FFP is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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