Nathaniel Clyne Joins Liverpool - Official

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Sure, but all I'm saying is that there are ways of doing it. All I need say is - Danny Ings. Do you hear him saying what Morgan and Clyne have been saying to the press about CL and trophies? No (at least I think not, but stand to be corrected). We all know that he isn't going to be at Burnley next season. He's doing it the right way. Maybe behind the scenes things are different, maybe they're not, but he is at the very least treating the supporters with respect by giving his all to Burnley and not talking about next season.

 

Maybe I am of an age where I expect a higher standard. You say it's not unique to us, others say it's modern footballers, etc etc, but that really doesn't excuse poor behaviour. OK, Clyne has been relatively quiet until recently and Morgan has been far worse all season. It is just a common courtesy to your employers and, with football being a little different from other businesses, the supporters that you give your all, or the appearance, to the team. But the pursuit of (obscene amounts of) money and manners aren't easy bedfellows.

 

"Manners are the basic building blocks of civil society" - Alexander McCall Smith, but then football is wholly detached from society, civil or otherwise, which is a sad indictment of so much money swilling around. Or on a personal level, as von Goethe stated, "a man's manners are a mirror in which he shows his portrait". Disappointing from certain players.

 

I don't disagree with your sentiment but football is not a game for gentleman. It's a business for many who play the game and whilst they may love the sport it is also a means for them to earn lots of money - and with all the money that exists in the game there are opportunities to earn incredible wealth, and often footballers don't come from wealthy backgrounds either.

 

Ings is conducting himself well but it is easier to do that when you have your future in your own hands. That is the big difference he has against other players setting themselves up for moves.

[Dan Johnson]

I like Clyne and I think he is the best English right back in the league and arguably the best in the league of any nationality.

 

However, he is just a full-back. How often does a full-back win man of the match? Answer: hardly ever.

 

So, if Man U want to pay him £100k+ per week and give us £20million+ I'm quite happy with that. As long as we don't replace him with a donkey like Fox we may end up with a stronger squad overall by investing some of the money elsewhere.

 

 

Absolutely this.

 

When Shaw left we had people climbing over themselves to say he was irreplaceable, yet in my eyes we got a better player for cheaper & invested the other money to progress the strength of the squad overall.

 

If we get offered £20 million + for Clyne, as sorry as I will be to see him go, I don’t think he’s irreplaceable.

[Greenridge]

I like Clyne and I think he is the best English right back in the league and arguably the best in the league of any nationality.

 

However, he is just a full-back. How often does a full-back win man of the match? Answer: hardly ever.

 

So, if Man U want to pay him £100k+ per week and give us £20million+ I'm quite happy with that. As long as we don't replace him with a donkey like Fox we may end up with a stronger squad overall by investing some of the money elsewhere.

 

The '+' being Hernandez. Could all fit together if Clyne wants to leave and J-Rod goes.

[LGTL]

Clyne to Utd has been a done deal for about 6 months now.

[SO16_Saint]

of course he is going to play

 

I think that is why he was dropped on saturday.

So, which is it?

[Batman]

So, which is it?

 

he will play again this season. quite obvious really

[Sour Mash]

Clyne to Utd has been a done deal for about 6 months now.

Not saying you're wrong, but why would a deal be done so early?

[Goatboy]

Assuming that Clyne leaves in the summer, can I be the first to point out that overall, the squad's hair will be improved.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Assuming that Clyne leaves in the summer, can I be the first to point out that overall, the squad's hair will be improved.

 

He does have a rather silly lid.

[Batman]

I really would like Trippier as his replacement. I think he is a good player with great potential.

[Smirking_Saint]

All a bit disappointing from Clyne, better to keep his mouth shut, continue to work hard and deliver for us and he'll get a good move at the end of the season anyway.

 

It all makes you wonder whats being said behind the scenes, this has all the hallmarks of a player that sees his future elsewhere but with the club thinking otherwise for me. I imagine its all come to a head, hence why he was dropped on Saturday.

 

Hopefully it'll be sorted quickly because, as good as Alderweireld is he just doesnt possess the attacking flair of Clyne.

 

I am reserved to losing Clyne this summer to be honest, but aslong as we get a good fee and replace with a goid attacking full back then Im all for it.

 

Its a shame Spurs pocketed Yedlin after the world cup tbh as I think that kid could be mustard.

[Verbal Kint]

Not saying you're wrong, but why would a deal be done so early?

 

Similar to Shaw. Player has decided he wants to leave and where he wants to go to. We will have roughly agreed a headline fee (seems like it's about 20 million) and his agent will have already done his contract. The way of football now

 

At 20 million I think we've done well. He's very good one on one defensively and has the pace to get himself out of trouble. But his attacking game is average IMO (only 2 assists all season despite being considered a very attacking fullback) and his crossing is not as good as many think. Very similar to Shaw actually and I've no doubt United fans in 12 months will be saying the same thing about him that they are about Shaw now. Good defensively, not up to much going forward

[Sour Mash]

Similar to Shaw. Player has decided he wants to leave and where he wants to go to. We will have roughly agreed a headline fee (seems like it's about 20 million) and his agent will have already done his contract. The way of football now

 

At 20 million I think we've done well. He's very good one on one defensively and has the pace to get himself out of trouble. But his attacking game is average IMO (only 2 assists all season despite being considered a very attacking fullback) and his crossing is not as good as many think. Very similar to Shaw actually and I've no doubt United fans in 12 months will be saying the same thing about him that they are about Shaw now. Good defensively, not up to much going forward

But what is the advantage of us getting a deal done so early?

[Verbal Kint]

But what is the advantage of us getting a deal done so early?

 

Well if Clyne has decided he wants to join Utd then there isn't much we can do about it, might as well negotiate a fee now so we can plan for replacements

[Sour Mash]

Well if Clyne has decided he wants to join Utd then there isn't much we can do about it, might as well negotiate a fee now so we can plan for replacements

I'm sure there is plenty of planning for the summer going on regardless. Surely it'd be better for Clyne to just focus on delivering for us for this season, with the agreement that once the season is completed a deal can be negotiated for him to move. I guess the counter argument to that is it might remove any speculation or uncertainty for a number of months and should just allow him to concentrate on his football, but that doesn't really seem to have worked.

[Batman]

I'm sure there is plenty of planning for the summer going on regardless. Surely it'd be better for Clyne to just focus on delivering for us for this season, with the agreement that once the season is completed a deal can be negotiated for him to move. I guess the counter argument to that is it might remove any speculation or uncertainty for a number of months and should just allow him to concentrate on his football, but that doesn't really seem to have worked.

 

if he really wants to go to united, he needs to agree to go there sooner as they will just buy someone else for £30m

[Sour Mash]

if he really wants to go to united, he needs to agree to go there sooner as they will just buy someone else for £30m

Well I guess if they've offered £30m, that answers the question!

[Batman]

Well I guess if they've offered £30m, that answers the question!

 

they probably haven't, he only has a year left on his contract

[Smirking_Saint]

they probably haven't, he only has a year left on his contract

 

So ? He still has a market value and Utd still have a weakness at RB, a year is a long time for a club wanting success

[Batman]

So ? He still has a market value and Utd still have a weakness at RB, a year is a long time for a club wanting success

 

I suspect a player at clynes level will not go for £30m in the final year of his contract

 

Has any player gone for that amount in the last 12 months?

[Smirking_Saint]

I suspect a player at clynes level will not go for £30m in the final year of his contract

 

Has any player gone for that amount in the last 12 months?

 

Shaw

[Batman]

Shaw

 

was shaw in the last year of his contract?

(serious question)

[Pilchards]

I suspect a player at clynes level will not go for £30m in the final year of his contract

 

Has any player gone for that amount in the last 12 months?

 

If a team wants him that badly then 30m is not a stupid price at all.

Already Liverpool and Utd have paid way over the odds for average players and they know that Clyne is proven plus young enough to make a profit for the future.

[shurlock]

was shaw in the last year of his contract?

(serious question)

 

Didn't he sign a five year contract in July 2013, so he would have had four years left when he went to United.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

was shaw in the last year of his contract?

(serious question)

 

Nah, was about a year into his deal.

 

EDIT: Sorry, forgot the link:

 

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11700/8821160/southampton-defender-luke-shaw-signs-a-new-five-year-deal

[Batman]

If a team wants him that badly then 30m is not a stupid price at all.

Already Liverpool and Utd have paid way over the odds for average players and they know that Clyne is proven plus young enough to make a profit for the future.

 

again, what players in world football have gone for that sort of money in the last year of their contract?

£20m MAX i would say for clyne (with maybe a player on loan for the season the other direction)

Edited 15 April, 2015 by Batman

[Smirking_Saint]

was shaw in the last year of his contract?

(serious question)

 

No he wasnt

 

That said. With the right level of interest there is no reason why we cant get 20-30m for him, what with tighter rules on HG players coming in imminantly.

 

There are a lot of clubs that need a RB at his level

[Matthew Le God]

I suspect a player at clynes level will not go for £30m in the final year of his contract

 

Has any player gone for that amount in the last 12 months?

 

Shaw

was shaw in the last year of his contract?

(serious question)

 

He had 4 years left.

[View From The Top]

Not saying you're wrong, but why would a deal be done so early?

 

As I mentioned early on the thread, all parties reached a gentlemans agreement ages ago, or so I was informed.

[Smirking_Saint]

As I mentioned early on the thread, all parties reached a gentlemans agreement ages ago, or so I was informed.

 

Then whats causing the unrest ?

[angelman]

As I mentioned early on the thread, all parties reached a gentlemans agreement ages ago, or so I was informed.

 

Gentlemen know how to keep their traps shut (and gentlemen and football is surely an oxymoron).

[shurlock]

As I mentioned early on the thread, all parties reached a gentlemans agreement ages ago, or so I was informed.

 

Recall that Koeman was going to have transfer talks with Clyne just last month. Suggests that nothing was settled then -let alone before.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11445770/Man-Utd-transfer-news-Nathaniel-Clyne-to-have-make-or-break-contract-talks-with-Southampton.html

[Avenue Saint]

Lets have 10m plus Hernandez.

[View From The Top]

Recall that Koeman was going to have transfer talks with Clyne just last month. Suggests that nothing was settled then -let alone before.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11445770/Man-Utd-transfer-news-Nathaniel-Clyne-to-have-make-or-break-contract-talks-with-Southampton.html

 

Perhaps I should have worded it differently. Clyne's "people" have agreed the deal with Utds "people".

 

The person who told me this is the same person who told me the details of the Shaw deal before it broke.

 

Take it or leave it, I give not one toss.

[Avenue Saint]

Actually 15m plus Hernandez.

[shurlock]

Perhaps I should have worded it differently. Clyne's "people" have agreed the deal with Utds "people".

 

The person who told me this is the same person who told me the details of the Shaw deal before it broke.

 

Take it or leave it, I give not one toss.

 

Fair enough, that would make more sense.

[View From The Top]

Then whats causing the unrest ?

 

I'd guess Saints really want him to stay but with only a year remaining on his contract and a six figure wage at one of the world's biggest clubs on offer, we've no chance.

[wadesmith]

Sorry but I see this as regurgitated papr talk attempting to unsettle our player.

[SuperSAINT]

Perhaps I should have worded it differently. Clyne's "people" have agreed the deal with Utds "people".

 

The person who told me this is the same person who told me the details of the Shaw deal before it broke.

 

Take it or leave it, I give not one toss.

 

Probably true - Isn't that how deals are done nowadays? Agent agrees a deal and once that's complete, then it's down to the clubs to agree a fee.

[the saint in winchester]

Agreed. I don't think Koeman has much time for anyone he feels isn't fully focused and pulling their weight.

 

You can be a 'conspiracy theorist' if you want, but RK was clear he wasn't dropped, he was rested, after internationals and a run of domestic games. Not sure Toby covered himself in glory, he was pretty poor, and RK has already stated 'Calvin' Clyne is back in the side for this weekend.

[Verbal Kint]

Probably true - Isn't that how deals are done nowadays? Agent agrees a deal and once that's complete, then it's down to the clubs to agree a fee.

 

I think we learnt last summer that's exactly how big clubs do deals. The last thing they want is to go in against each other and set up a bidding war and drive the price up

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Probably true - Isn't that how deals are done nowadays? Agent agrees a deal and once that's complete, then it's down to the clubs to agree a fee.

 

Exactly how it's done, player agrees terms first, then fee is agreed.

[DJ_TOAST]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Clyne

Hope you rot like the rest of the greedy buggers

[Doctoroncall]

Perhaps I should have worded it differently. Clyne's "people" have agreed the deal with Utds "people".

 

The person who told me this is the same person who told me the details of the Shaw deal before it broke.

 

Take it or leave it, I give not one toss.

 

 

I presume the fee has still to be agreed, so if another club comes in which matches Saints evaluation (and assuming the board will sell) then it could get a bit messy if Utd feel they can dictate the price having 'got their man'?

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Clyne

Hope you rot like the rest of the greedy buggers

 

He's in his mid twenties and has the opportunity to join the biggest club in the country (who are better than us) and treble / quadruple his wage. There is no scenario on earth where it makes sense for him to stay at Saints.

 

And lets not forget the manner in which he joined Saints in the first place. We've benefitted from this as much as he has.

[nta786]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out Clyne

Hope you rot like the rest of the greedy buggers

 

tbf to him, unlike Lallana/Lovren, he has honoured his contract on the large part, and I for one don't blame him for the move.

He didn't throw his toys out the pram like the other 2, but yeah, he can go, and I'm sure we have replacements lined up.

[Sour Mash]

You can be a 'conspiracy theorist' if you want, but RK was clear he wasn't dropped, he was rested, after internationals and a run of domestic games. Not sure Toby covered himself in glory, he was pretty poor, and RK has already stated 'Calvin' Clyne is back in the side for this weekend.

Sod it, I'll be even more of a "conspiracy theorist". Clyne has agreed £100k a week with Man Utd, but United are only offering Saints £12m for him, something which we've said "no-way we're doing a deal on that basis". Clyne is unhappy we're stalling his dream move and is kicking up a bit of a fuss

[Chez]

Until Clyne goes on strike because we are holding him to his contract and won't sell him this summer, then I don't think there is much to complain about.

 

The club holds the cards. We can either get another season from him and then he walks for free the summer after this or we get our £10-£15m this summer, count the profit made and hope that we can bring in a suitable replacement (hopefully one with pace, as slow fullbacks are like chocolate fireguards).

 

I think we all know by now that these moves are agreed (between player and new club) months before they happen and this looks to be the case here.

[doggface]

 

I think we all know by now that these moves are agreed (between player and new club) months before they happen and this looks to be the case here.

 

Absolutely. Despite the fact that this is against the rules, obviously happens every day. I'm sure Saints are guilty too.

 

It makes a mockery of the rules. IMO football needs to either re-write the rule book and make it legal or bring in new legislation with very harsh penalties (ie banned from euro competition).

 

That would soon stop it.

[S-Clarke]

All this tapping up stuff is just the nature of the game. Agents talk between each other and clubs to gauge interest all the time, and as they're working on behalf of the player....the player never actually physically meets to discuss contract terms, the agents and the players talk - so the agent sort of acts as a proxy with the clubs, so in a way it's not pure tapping up which is why they get away with it probably. That way when they're able to make the move officially, most stuff is agreed and it only needs the rubber stamping from the players etc.

 

The agents are just doing their job, pretty well in the eyes of their clients. It's just the way it is and I don't think it'll ever change.

 

As other's have said, we do exactly the same. Look at the situation with Tonny Velheina - we talked to his agent and knew of his interest and demands. I'm sure we've been talking with Jordy's agent as well.