Charlie Wayman Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Might as well drop him from the squad for the rest of the season and give one of the Academy lads a long run. Is Matt Targett any good on the right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Might as well drop him from the squad for the rest of the season and give one of the Academy lads a long run. Is Matt Targett any good on the right? It would be Jason McCarthy coming in if anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Might as well drop him from the squad for the rest of the season and give one of the Academy lads a long run. Is Matt Targett any good on the right? That's a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 The best way to avoid more glamorous clubs raiding our squad is to buy rubbish and develop no one through the academy. Every club has a limit - United couldn't hold onto Ronaldo, ditto Liverpool with Suarez. And even if we qualified for the Champions' League there would always be an offer from a club who might actually win it. Tis the way, but we are in a pretty good place, and able to offer quality players time on a pitch - if that motivates them more than shiny wheel trims and prison-style neck tats. If Lovren is worth £20M we should be able to get £75M for Clyne. SkySportsNews ticker today: The Daily Mirror are reporting that Chelsea have entered the race to sign Southampton right-back Nathaniel Clyne, who is also a target for Manchester United. Clyne, rated at around £15m, joined Saints in 2012 and his current deal expires in 2016 and is reportedly stalling on signing a new deal. Who put that valuation on him? Might not get £75M, of course, but I was hoping for upwards of £20M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Actually surprised he didn't join the exodus last year. However, he will have done us proud for three seasons by the summer so have no real issue with him taking the next step. As England's right back for potentially the next 10 years to improve further he would probably need to be playing Champions League regularly to cement this position as his once and for all so a move in the summer makes sense. As far as valuation is concerned, who knows? He is worth what another team is willing to pay so a potential auction between United and Chelsea can only be to our benefit. That said, moving to Manure at present is just as likely to achieve CL football as staying at Saints would. They are certainly not nailed on qualifiers, so Chelsea could emerge as front runners especially as he is a Londoner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Might as well drop him from the squad for the rest of the season and give one of the Academy lads a long run. Is Matt Targett any good on the right? If its true hes deffo off, this may well happen if we fluff the next few games and drop off the radar scope for Euro qualification. We may also see Morgan dropped and Toby sent back to Madrid as well in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 If its true hes deffo off, this may well happen if we fluff the next few games and drop off the radar scope for Euro qualification. We may also see Morgan dropped and Toby sent back to Madrid as well in that case. wanna bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Might as well drop him from the squad for the rest of the season and give one of the Academy lads a long run. Is Matt Targett any good on the right? If its true hes deffo off, this may well happen if we fluff the next few games and drop off the radar scope for Euro qualification. We may also see Morgan dropped and Toby sent back to Madrid as well in that case. Utterly bizarre mindset from both of you! When has similar ever happened before in football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Ah, Alpine is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andoru Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Summer's come early this year then. I'm sick of it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Ah, Alpine is back! It reminds me of the promotion season when his grand plan was for us to rest players and concentrate on the play-offs whilst we were second in the league. Or when he'd given up on the Ashes after the first session of the first test!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 wanna bet? **** it, why don't we just cancel Wanyama's contract at the same time, as he'll want to leave in a couple of years as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyOldBoy Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Clyne is not the player many think in my humble opinion....He has been able to express himself at Saints whilst a concrete midfield held the fort at times... this will not be the same at some of the "big" clubs.... he will be another Shaw.... but it matters not..... £25M will do nicely.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 (edited) Scumbag lying journalists That's not enough money Bang goes our chances of ----- Namecheck Dutch replacement Disloyal c*nt He's not all that anyway and that's BINGO! Edited 27 February, 2015 by Bearsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 £25M will do nicely. We may struggle to get £25m for a player with 1 year left on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 And a Very Merry Christmas to all Express readers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Is this a lying lazy scumbag type of article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Clyne is not the player many think in my humble opinion....He has been able to express himself at Saints whilst a concrete midfield held the fort at times... this will not be the same at some of the "big" clubs.... he will be another Shaw.... but it matters not..... £25M will do nicely.... Clyne is quality. All Saints fans know this and it is the reason why Man Utd and Chelsea apparently are tracking him. We won't get near £25m for him and will do well to replace with someone of anywhere near the same ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Hey Chuck, you must looking forward to a mass bed wetting session like you did last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Hey Chuck, you must looking forward to a mass bed wetting session like you did last summer. If we replace with good players then no. Key difference is we are prepared this time. Last year at this point the Club were deluded: the Reed interview saying we didnt have anyone interested in our players and they werent scheming behind his back when they clearly were, and that the MP issue wasnt a problem. It was. We seemed very naive and reactive and Krueger's football related interviews were simply dreadful and made it worse. This year we have eyes open so should be a lot better. Clyne will go, Schneiderlin will go, Toby won't sign. We are all aware and the Club probably are more prepared. Plus its less emotional than with Lambert and Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Might as well drop him from the squad for the rest of the season and give one of the Academy lads a long run. Is Matt Targett any good on the right? Yeah right, let's ruin the club's chances of the best Prem finish in years just so we can play someone who has been a contributor less often. Doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 (edited) Clyne will go, Schneiderlin will go, Toby won't sign. We are all aware and the Club probably are more prepared. Plus its less emotional than with Lambert and Lallana. Would you be happy if we signed Jordy Clasie to replace Schneiderlin? I think the recruitment of last summer and this January should go a long way to assure Saints even if Schneiderlin, Clyne, Alderweireld and Rodriguez leave we are in good hands. I think its the departure of Les Reed that would worry me the most as he is the one constant in a high postion for the last 5 years. Edited 27 February, 2015 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Players come, players go. It's what they do here and now that matters. They're like workhorses, run 'em into the ground and then move 'em on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Would you be happy if we signed Jordy Clasie to replace Schneiderlin? I think the recruitment of last summer and this January should go a long way to assure Saints even if Schneiderlin, Clyne, Alderweireld and Rodriguez leave we are in good hands. I think its the departure of Les Reed that would worry me the most. I agree about Les, and maybe Ronald as well. But if that little list did leave it would give us a problem with home grown players and its impacts on possible squad size for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 I agree about Les, and maybe Ronald as well. But if that little list did leave it would give us a problem with home grown players and its impacts on possible squad size for next season. Reed is the football vision at the club since 2010, he has seen Pardew, Adkins, Pochettino and Koeman in his time here. If Koeman goes it'll be for Reed to find his replacement, he probably already knows who he'd want and the club has a great track record of appointments since 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Would you be happy if we signed Jordy Clasie to replace Schneiderlin? I think the recruitment of last summer and this January should go a long way to assure Saints even if Schneiderlin, Clyne, Alderweireld and Rodriguez leave we are in good hands. I think its the departure of Les Reed that would worry me the most as he is the one constant in a high postion for the last 5 years. Agree and yeah he sounds good but I havent seen a lot of him and the PL is a much tougher slog than the Dutch League as Pelle and Tadic have found since November. Good point on Reed. Wonder if losing Mitchell will have manifested as a blow? Have we replaced him? Recruitment ultimately will be the judge of how good the summer is, if we replace those players well and sort the positions we are weak in (RB cover, GK cover, Striker) plus beef the squad for Europe if we get there, then we can do well. But somewhere along the line you will struggle to keep replacing quality with equal/better quality and will be a worse team for selling your best players. That is just normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 I'm looking forward to Harry Reed stepping up into the gap and be 1st choice next season. Cracking player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 I'm looking forward to Harry Reed stepping up into the gap and be 1st choice next season. Cracking player. Will he be here next season? He has had three good games for us this season which probably means he is off to Arsenal in the summer...... ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 But somewhere along the line you will struggle to keep replacing quality with equal/better quality and will be a worse team for selling your best players. That is just normal. Has RK not explained, at least a couple of times to journos, that the reason he was relaxed last summer, and will be again this if we lose anyone, is because most Dutch clubs are very used to doing exactly this (successfully) almost every season, and hence it is just normal business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Agree and yeah he sounds good but I havent seen a lot of him and the PL is a much tougher slog than the Dutch League as Pelle and Tadic have found since November. Good point on Reed. Wonder if losing Mitchell will have manifested as a blow? Have we replaced him? Recruitment ultimately will be the judge of how good the summer is, if we replace those players well and sort the positions we are weak in (RB cover, GK cover, Striker) plus beef the squad for Europe if we get there, then we can do well. But somewhere along the line you will struggle to keep replacing quality with equal/better quality and will be a worse team for selling your best players. That is just normal. You say it like the club has a choice the best players won't stay so what choice does the club have? It's not the club's fault that modern football is the way it is and that players, already earning more than most can dream of, frequently feel entitled to even higher wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Would you be happy if we signed Jordy Clasie to replace Schneiderlin? I think the recruitment of last summer and this January should go a long way to assure Saints even if Schneiderlin, Clyne, Alderweireld and Rodriguez leave we are in good hands. I think its the departure of Les Reed that would worry me the most as he is the one constant in a high postion for the last 5 years. This is the bloke who was described in the summer as f*cking useless, full if sh*t and can't sell the club to anyone, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Yep, same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 This is the bloke who was described in the summer as f*cking useless, full if sh*t and can't sell the club to anyone, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Well if Clyne is off for £20m as is rumoured, we'd have to find a replacement. Like the look of Kieran Trippier from Burnley myself, similar to Clyne in that he likes to get forward and whip crosses into the box. Him and McCarthy would be decent options for the right back position. Darmian from Torino would be ambitious, could cover both right and left back slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Not sure about Trippier. Is he even likely to be available anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 27 February, 2015 I like Trippier, would definitely take him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 If we are talking about Trippier, may as well through Danny Simpson into the ring, crikey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 Has RK not explained, at least a couple of times to journos, that the reason he was relaxed last summer, and will be again this if we lose anyone, is because most Dutch clubs are very used to doing exactly this (successfully) almost every season, and hence it is just normal business? It's not exactly the same. Pretty much all Dutch clubs are raped of their star players each summer and they all have gradually got worse over the lat ten years or more. Some of the English clubs keep theirs or improve on what they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 27 February, 2015 Share Posted 27 February, 2015 (edited) It's not exactly the same. Pretty much all Dutch clubs are raped of their star players each summer and they all have gradually got worse over the lat ten years or more. Some of the English clubs keep theirs or improve on what they have. Yes ok generally. Feyenoord didnt though, under Koeman, despite being skint when he got there. They improved. The point is that he is very used to this happening, and Reed is well versed too, so lets hope we get worse next year like we have this Edited 27 February, 2015 by Bucks Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 Personally i don't begrudge Clyne moving on. I seem to remember last summer the primary complaint being about players (Lallana in particular) signing long term big contracts and then wanting out straight away, well Clyney has fulfilled most of his and will probably be sold to avoid him going on a free. He signed the contract, he's honoured it to a point where it's virtually over and from a selling point of view effectively is, therefore I don't think we can really complain, he did the same thing at Palace and why shouldn't he, thats what the contract is there for. Obviously I will be gutted to see him go, but I think for a change we are seeing a player actually stick to what he has signed, and act well within his rights to see that contract out and move on. Fair play to the lad in my opinion, and I wish him well for the future, seems a fairly sensible and switched on guy, evident from not signing for United some years ago when he had the chance but instead opting to join us for the guarantee of first team football before now seemingly bagging his 'big' move. We'll survive and move on I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 I agree about Les, and maybe Ronald as well. But if that little list did leave it would give us a problem with home grown players and its impacts on possible squad size for next season. I addressed this in my blog: http://redsloscf.blogspot.com/2015/01/southamptons-european-roster-issues.html] For European purposes we need four club trained players. We have only two Isgrove and Schneiderlin. Unless we loan back someone like Walcott or Bale, that is the best we can do in that category so our European roster will be limited to 23. For European purposes we need four association trained players. For Premier League purposes we need eight: We have eight: Bertrand, Barnes, Clyne, Cropper, Davis, Davis, Forster, and Rodriguez (plus Schneiderlin and Isgrove). Some of them are less useful than others, of course. Even if we are left only with Bertrand, Davis S, and Forster, I don't see it being a problem buying another English player. I do see a problem if we are playing in Europe with no club trained players, but we sign eight English players for the Premier League. That would mean that four roster players are not eligible for Europe. That might make some folks unhappy. However, we should still have enough players over all because are young players are not counted against these limits so Reed, Targett, and Ward-Prowse, for example, could all still play without taking up one of the 25 roster slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 "what, you play for a team called who? Banchester United? And you're on how much money? I had no idea, I have never left the Hampshire area or spoken to another player until I got called up for England. This has truly opened my eyes and no mistake." Much like many of the things you've "been saying for years", it's nonsense. You must be from Crete .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 This is the bloke who was described in the summer as f*cking useless, full if sh*t and can't sell the club to anyone, yes? Yepper!!..... that would be me LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 This time last year I thought NC would go in the summer along with MS. Got that all wrong! Glad they stuck with us for a season longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 Personally i don't begrudge Clyne moving on. I seem to remember last summer the primary complaint being about players (Lallana in particular) signing long term big contracts and then wanting out straight away, well Clyney has fulfilled most of his and will probably be sold to avoid him going on a free. He signed the contract, he's honoured it to a point where it's virtually over and from a selling point of view effectively is, therefore I don't think we can really complain, he did the same thing at Palace and why shouldn't he, thats what the contract is there for. Obviously I will be gutted to see him go, but I think for a change we are seeing a player actually stick to what he has signed, and act well within his rights to see that contract out and move on. Fair play to the lad in my opinion, and I wish him well for the future, seems a fairly sensible and switched on guy, evident from not signing for United some years ago when he had the chance but instead opting to join us for the guarantee of first team football before now seemingly bagging his 'big' move. We'll survive and move on I'm sure. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 I would personally splash whatever we get for Clyne and then some more to get Coleman from Everton. He can defend, score, is young (I think). I think Everton are struggling a bit at the moment and the need to sell in order to buy it appears. All depend on where we end though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 I would personally splash whatever we get for Clyne and then some more to get Coleman from Everton. He can defend, score, is young (I think). I think Everton are struggling a bit at the moment and the need to sell in order to buy it appears. All depend on where we end though. Why would a very well regarded young player move from Everton to us? Highly unlikely. If he's for sale, it won't be to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 I would personally splash whatever we get for Clyne and then some more to get Coleman from Everton. He can defend, score, is young (I think). I think Everton are struggling a bit at the moment and the need to sell in order to buy it appears. All depend on where we end though. He is 26, and again, unless he was on last year of his contract or something, Everton would never sell- unless we pay something ridiculous. His contract ends in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 I would personally splash whatever we get for Clyne and then some more to get Coleman from Everton. He can defend, score, is young (I think). I think Everton are struggling a bit at the moment and the need to sell in order to buy it appears. All depend on where we end though. Saints won't be spending the £20m+ record fee it would take to sign a right back like Coleman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 28 February, 2015 Share Posted 28 February, 2015 He is 26, and again, unless he was on last year of his contract or something, Everton would never sell- unless we pay something ridiculous. His contract ends in 2019. Didn't realise ge was that old. Definitely a non starter then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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