richard Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/20/liverpool-joe-gomez-charlton-athletic Liverpool sign someone who was used at centre back in the academy but at right back last season.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 Has Clyne gone yet? On holiday? Probably.
pluto Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 Hes mugging us off so lets get rid and take £12M, i did notice the club want a transfer request off him as well.
beatlesaint Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 i did notice the club want a transfer request off him as well. where did you see that ? I hope it's true, it's about bloody time these money grabbing sods gave up their loyalty bonuses for forcing a move.
Alain Perrin Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 Forget percentages, Yoshida had a very solid season - it is unfortunate that when he played Ms and Big Vic were also out, not to mention Ff. Granted not first choice but good nonetheless.
pluto Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 In Jeremy Wilsons latest telegraph article it says SFC want a clear indication from him that he wants to leave. On doing so they will then say if thats the case, we want a transfer request and you will forego any owed bonus payments. The club must be rightly peeved off as hes stringing them along and doing so just to fill his money bags. Lallana was the same, wanted out but wouldnt transfer request until we turned the screw on him and he melted.
Mr Biscuits Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 Tbh after 26 pages of 'will he won't he' I just want it done. Whichever way. Unless it's about wages, his best option is Saints where he will get guaranteed first team football. If he wants the wages he's welcome to go and watch his arse turn square polishing the bench somewhere else
cellone Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 I have to say that is a very harsh and inaccurate assessment of Yoshida's value to SFC. I would have to say that is a very accurate response to his assessment.
Dark Munster Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 In Jeremy Wilsons latest telegraph article it says SFC want a clear indication from him that he wants to leave. On doing so they will then say if thats the case, we want a transfer request and you will forego any owed bonus payments. The club must be rightly peeved off as hes stringing them along and doing so just to fill his money bags. Lallana was the same, wanted out but wouldnt transfer request until we turned the screw on him and he melted. Didn't he run down his contract at Palace before joining us? If so, aren't Saints being rather hypocritical? As long as he gives his best in every match, he has every right to run down his contract. He kept his end of the bargain, and has no obligation to sign a new contract or hand in a transfer request.
Redslo Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 Didn't he run down his contract at Palace before joining us? If so, aren't Saints being rather hypocritical? As long as he gives his best in every match, he has every right to run down his contract. He kept his end of the bargain, and has no obligation to sign a new contract or hand in a transfer request. Yes, he does. However, I don't think it is appropriate to try to force a transfer without putting in a transfer request. I admit it is quite common, but that doesn't make it right.
Matthew Le God Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 Didn't he run down his contract at Palace before joining us? If so, aren't Saints being rather hypocritical? As long as he gives his best in every match, he has every right to run down his contract. He kept his end of the bargain, and has no obligation to sign a new contract or hand in a transfer request. What have Saints said or done that is hypocritical regarding Clyne?
cellone Posted 20 June, 2015 Posted 20 June, 2015 Didn't he run down his contract at Palace before joining us? If so, aren't Saints being rather hypocritical? As long as he gives his best in every match, he has every right to run down his contract. He kept his end of the bargain, and has no obligation to sign a new contract or hand in a transfer request. Agree if he leaves at the end of the contract but as Redslo said different if he is pushing for a move.
pluto Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 We cant afford to lose £12m lets says on Clyne, im more interested in the club.
Dark Munster Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 What have Saints said or done that is hypocritical regarding Clyne? If Wilson is correct they don't want him to run down his contract, in order to get a good fee now. On top of that they want him to forgo bonus payments. Palace got none of that and we benefitted then. Yes, he does. However, I don't think it is appropriate to try to force a transfer without putting in a transfer request. I admit it is quite common, but that doesn't make it right. I haven't heard anything about Clyne pushing for a move now, only that he won't sign a new contract. But if he is, I agree he should hand in a transfer request.
CB Fry Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 If Wilson is correct they don't want him to run down his contract, in order to get a good fee now. On top of that they want him to forgo bonus payments. Palace got none of that and we benefitted then. Dont really understand how that is hypocritical. If Liverpool or Man United came in with twenty million tomorrow, do you think Clyne would be quite as keen to run his contract down?
derry Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 He had a very ineffective spell in the latter third of the season. Most of the comments about his performance inferred that he was making sure he didn't get injured before the end of the season. Unless he signs a contract and commits himself I think it's time to move him on for the best price. I wouldn't be surprised if the England Liverpool connection hasn't been in full tapping up mode during the international break. Reducing our exposure to the England connection would be no bad thing. I suspect that Toby has had the same treatment from the Belgium Premier connections.
diggers Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Personally I don't have a problem with him running his contract down so long as he gives 100% for the term of the contract. At the end of the day isn't that what a contract is? I suppose we could say that Koeman is running his contract down and no ones complaining about that. Equally, those of us with mortgages are running those contracts down too, no ones saying, "come on wollwich, re sign me for another 5 years"
Dark Munster Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Dont really understand how that is hypocritical. If Liverpool or Man United came in with twenty million tomorrow, do you think Clyne would be quite as keen to run his contract down? If that happens both Clyne and Saints would be very happy.
Redslo Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Personally I don't have a problem with him running his contract down so long as he gives 100% for the term of the contract. At the end of the day isn't that what a contract is? I suppose we could say that Koeman is running his contract down and no ones complaining about that. Equally, those of us with mortgages are running those contracts down too, no ones saying, "come on wollwich, re sign me for another 5 years" Except that Koeman doesn't have to worry about injuring himself and losing a big pay day if he gives his all right up until the end of his contract.
Weston Saint Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 I doubt Saints are insisting he put in a transfer request to avoid paying bonuses. If he runs down his contract we get nothing and we have already turned down £10m from Liverpool. What they want is for Clyne to say I am signing or I am not signing. If the latter they will sell him now.
buctootim Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Maybe he is waiting to see what happens with Toby Good point. A ready made right back there, when we have a surplus of CBs
batterseasaint Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 I think its quite simple why he's not giving a definitive answer to Saints. He's not that bothered about moving to Liverpool, but does want to wait and see if Utd come back in for him.
pluto Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Transfer request required and we turned down £7M with add ons to £9m
saintroyt Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Christ this forum is like eastenders on speed no info and loads of balls
Saint IQ Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Transfer request required and we turned down £7M with add ons to £9m If true Liverpool really do take the p*ss don't they, Leak an offer to the press and it turns out to contain add ons that still equates to less than the fee in the papers. They did it with Lovren and Lallana last year. Whereas with Shaw and United, we never had any of this.
cellone Posted 21 June, 2015 Posted 21 June, 2015 Christ this forum is like eastenders on speed no info and loads of balls Eastenders on speed would be far less thought out and far more repetitive than this forum. double fact
Didcot Saint Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 I have heard from someone connected with the club that Clyne is going no where and wants to stay. Sorry but that's the only info I have.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 I have heard from someone connected with the club that Clyne is going no where and wants to stay. Sorry but that's the only info I have. That's positive news so I'm going to believe it.
pangy Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 I have heard from someone connected with the club that Clyne is going no where and wants to stay. Sorry but that's the only info I have. Pretty sure he would of signed the contract offered to him 6 months ago if that was the case,I don't claim to know anything but it seems to me he is off and if nobody meets our valuation for him he will run it down and move next summer for free
DT Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 Nah, not buying that. Clyne has the look of someone who's wanted out for ages and wants a few more noughts on his wage packet
St Chalet Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 Nah, not buying that. Clyne has the look of someone who's wanted out for ages and wants a few more noughts on his wage packet If he wanted 0's in his pay packet he'd have joined Pompey.
DT Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 If he wanted 0's in his pay packet he'd have joined Pompey. You should be on the stage
hypochondriac Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 I'm still positive on Clyne after the comments of K Billy.
beavis17 Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 I have heard from someone connected with the club that Clyne is going no where and wants to stay. Sorry but that's the only info I have. I hope so. Imagine if we ended up keeping him and Morgan
Whitey Grandad Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 You should be on the stage The next one leaves in the morning
Dark Munster Posted 22 June, 2015 Posted 22 June, 2015 I have heard from someone connected with the club that Clyne is going no where and wants to stay. Sorry but that's the only info I have. Until the end of his contract? I can believe that.
St.Patrik Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 Hmmm Metro - how much do they know.....http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/23/liverpool-agree-to-pay-southamptons-15m-asking-price-to-seal-nathaniel-clyne-transfer-5258753/
Matthew Le God Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 Hmmm Metro - how much do they know.....http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/23/liverpool-agree-to-pay-southamptons-15m-asking-price-to-seal-nathaniel-clyne-transfer-5258753/ Nothing, that article is merely a rehash of other reports. They link to the article it is based on and it is this... http://www.squawka.com/news/liverpool-transfer-round-up-firmino-is-close-reds-agree-to-meet-saints-asking-price-for-clyne/403225 Which is also a rehash of other reports and it links to this... http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/585831/Manchester-City-50m-Bid-Raheem-Sterling-Liverpool-Transfer-News So basically the Tuesday Metro article you've linked to is a retelling of a story in the Sunday Express. The Metro often does these follow the trail articles, as its journalist have no contacts of their own and you end up finding the story is a rehash from an older story in other publications.
Sour Mash Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 I hope so. Imagine if we ended up keeping him and Morgan I doubt we just want to keep him. We want him to either sign a new contract (which he doesn't seem to want to do), or be sold for as good a price as possible.
Twiggy Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 Hmmm Metro - how much do they know.....http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/23/liverpool-agree-to-pay-southamptons-15m-asking-price-to-seal-nathaniel-clyne-transfer-5258753/ Not a lot, I like their crossword in the morning though.
Crowds Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 I've heard he doesn't fancy Liverpool and wants Utd!
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 I've heard he doesn't fancy Liverpool and wants Utd! The reports that suggest he hasn't told Saints whether or wants to stay or leave in the face of a bid from Liverpool makes me think that too.
FloridaMarlin Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 I don't know one way or another whether the Metro report is true, but it could be a clever tactic by Saints if they have accepted Liverhampton's £15m bid. They have basically said to him that without signing a new contract he is not much use to them long-term, so they will be happy to sell him for their asking price and realise his value. If he doesn't fancy Liverpool it throws the ball firmly into his court to either sign a new deal or they sell him to Liverhampton, or he gambles on waiting for United to come in.
Sour Mash Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 I don't know one way or another whether the Metro report is true, but it could be a clever tactic by Saints if they have accepted Liverhampton's £15m bid. They have basically said to him that without signing a new contract he is not much use to them long-term, so they will be happy to sell him for their asking price and realise his value. If he doesn't fancy Liverpool it throws the ball firmly into his court to either sign a new deal or they sell him to Liverhampton, or he gambles on waiting for United to come in. Or he could just not sign for us or Liverpool and run his contract down.
Toomer Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 Or he could just not sign for us or Liverpool and run his contract down. If he wants to play that game I would make him 2nd choice to Cedric.
Sour Mash Posted 23 June, 2015 Posted 23 June, 2015 If he wants to play that game I would make him 2nd choice to Cedric. Why? Even if Clyne continues to train and play well and is a better player than Cedric?
Mouldy Coat Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 I agree with Toomer. We should force the hand. If Cedric shows promise then Clyne should play back up to Cedric until he shows he is committed to the club by signing s contract to stay. Otherwise risk missing out on the Euros. However, I think it is all hypothetical myself as the domino effect will start once a big deal is landed and Saints will get nearer their asking price
Fan The Flames Posted 24 June, 2015 Posted 24 June, 2015 The club has very few levers in these situations to make things happen. The player controls the situation, the club has a choice between selling him to the highest bidder to a club that the player is happy to go to or keep him and risk him not signing a new contract and walking next summer. Personally i think that the threat of not playing him will have no bearing on the situation. Clyne will do what he wants, if he wants to run down his contract he will, he may decide that a move is his best option if the deal is good. If the money is good at Liverpool then Clyne will end up there, he may wait for United to show an interest but not to the point where he scuppers the Liverpool deal.
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