Saint Garrett Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/560548/Manchester-United-prepare-Nathaniel-Clyne-bid-Southampton MANCHESTER UNITED are planning their summer swoop of Southampton defender Nathaniel Clyne after he refused to sign a new deal at St Mary's. Published: 00:00, Thu, February 26, 2015By IZZY HORSEFIELD Manchester United are preparing their bid for Nathaniel Clyne United are hopeful they can prise the 23-year-old away from the south coast and will continue their pursuit once the transfer window re-opens in July. Red Devils boss Louis van Gaal is a big admirer of the in-demand right-back and according to the Daily Mirror, Clyne is keen on the move to Old Trafford. Clyne would link-up with former teammate and academy graduate Luke Shaw who made his move during Southampton's summer exodus last year. While United paid a whopping £27million for Shaw, they expect to pay a lot less for Clyne considering his current deal at Saints expires in July 2016. Clyne joined Southampton from Crystal Palace in 2012 on a four-year deal. Not good news - he left Crystal Palace for free after running down his contract, I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same thing here. Sell him in the summer, and replace him with Byram.
gr00031 Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 He was great at the beginning of the season, but recently seems distracted. If players want to go, let them go, there is plenty of good underrated talent in Europe. Whilst it would be a shame, it's not the end of the world
CB Saint Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 He wont go as cheaply as they think - There will be a fair bit of competition for his signature
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/560548/Manchester-United-prepare-Nathaniel-Clyne-bid-Southampton Not good news - he left Crystal Palace for free after running down his contract, I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same thing here. Sell him in the summer, and replace him with Byram. Byram isn't that good yet, and certainly not to a Prem level. Trippier may be a better bet, or even ask for £10m plus Rafael. If anyone can get him defending better it'd be Koeman.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Reading into Ralf Krueger's comments from his recent interview, it sounds like Clyne wants more than we want / can afford to offer him.
Halo Stickman Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Sounds about par for the course – England debut in autumn, leave the next summer.
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Reading into Ralf Krueger's comments from his recent interview' date=' it sounds like Clyne wants more than we want / can afford to offer him.[/quote'] Unsurprising, Toby was on about 5.5 million € a year at Atletico, which would have put him on about 80K£ a week when he signed for us, assuming of course that he saw no reason to take a pay cut at that time. We therefore have established a precedent, we're willing to pay 80K a week at least, so when we have these young(ish) lads on 30K a week doing well and being noticed we need to expect to offer them at least as much as the highest paid player currently. IF we've not offered him 80-90K then he's going to look elsewhere.
shurlock Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Time to play moneyball. You mean sign someone from the Eredivise?
trousers Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Shame, not least because it means he won't be 100% mentally focused on Saints during the run in. (human nature and all that)
The9 Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Shame, not least because it means he won't be 100% mentally focused on Saints during the run in. (human nature and all that) Can't see it making much difference to be honest, even if he's off he needs to keep his level up to ensure interested parties remain so, especially if he's running down his contract, as his value then is only based on his performance level. Anyone know where he gets his hair cut?
ecuk268 Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Anyone know where he gets his hair cut? His head may be already in Manchester.
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Sounds about par for the course – England debut in autumn, leave the next summer. yes - not the first time we've seen that....but if Shaw went for £27 mill.....can Clyne be worth less? - given his extra experience....and rave reviews for England.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 yes - not the first time we've seen that....but if Shaw went for £27 mill.....can Clyne be worth less? - given his extra experience....and rave reviews for England. Only 1 year left on contract...
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Byram isn't that good yet, and certainly not to a Prem level. Trippier may be a better bet, or even ask for £10m plus Rafael. If anyone can get him defending better it'd be Koeman. agreed..I've been impressed watching him in games....wonder how he looks in the " Black Box "....?
Bearsy Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Clyne's actions do not suit my feelings! I've got no problem with bros being contract rebel at dumb clubs like Palace or whatever, but it is massive disrespect to do it to us! He should sign new contract immediately, and then vociferously demand transfer in the summer, like Lallana and Schneiderlin done. Where is yo sense of honour, Clyne?
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 (edited) sorry duplication. Edited 26 February, 2015 by david in sweden
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Only 1 year left on contract... got to sell now. Maybe +/- £30 million this season....but next summer, he walks ....for £ NOTHING
Appy Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Trippier please, Byram isn't even a regular at a poor Leeds team.
Colinjb Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 You mean sign someone from the Eredivise? It's an option.
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 got to sell now. Maybe +/- £30 million this season....but next summer, he walks ....for £ NOTHING Yeah, but that's the point, we won't get anywhere near to 30m for him because of that. 18m at best imo.
teedee38 Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Clyne's management are no fools and they are playing the transfer game, RK & the board have been able to replace, and in most cases better, those who leave so lets not get this out of proportion. As with most sides its the core of the squad we need to be looking at Gardos, Fonte, Wanyama and especially Schneiderlin are the ones to worry about, I wonder if Arsenal offer £100m for 3 of them would we take it?
shurlock Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 (edited) Clyne's management are no fools and they are playing the transfer game, RK & the board have been able to replace, and in most cases better, those who leave so lets not get this out of proportion. As with most sides its the core of the squad we need to be looking at Gardos, Fonte, Wanyama and especially Schneiderlin are the ones to worry about, I wonder if Arsenal offer £100m for 3 of them would we take it? Without stirring a hornets nest, it's debatable whether, in most cases, we've brought in better players. Clyne is a class act and far harder to replace than Lambert, Chambers and Lovren were last season. Edited 26 February, 2015 by shurlock
Saint_clark Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Well at least he isn't doing a Lallana. If he goes, fair play to him. Get trippier in.
John B Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 He was great at the beginning of the season, but recently seems distracted. If players want to go, let them go, there is plenty of good underrated talent in Europe. Whilst it would be a shame, it's not the end of the world But is the reason we will never be a CL side
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Clyne's management are no fools and they are playing the transfer game, RK & the board have been able to replace, and in most cases better, those who leave so lets not get this out of proportion. As with most sides its the core of the squad we need to be looking at Gardos, Fonte, Wanyama and especially Schneiderlin are the ones to worry about, I wonder if Arsenal offer £100m for 3 of them would we take it? er.....then someone might use the FFP rules to suggest we are earning " too much " ....
david in sweden Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 (edited) Yeah, but that's the point, we won't get anywhere near to 30m for him because of that. 18m at best imo. don't think Clyne ..or Man Utd would want to wait another season(with/without) a Euro. competition, clearly the MU squad needs " refreshing in defence " soon. Playing in Europe might be seen as a bonus for us, but another season without Euro football at Old Trafford would start a meltdown there. MU are still a long way behind Chelsea and Citeh (qualitywise), and are unlikley to be title candidates again in the short term. Edited 26 February, 2015 by david in sweden
trousers Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Can't see it making much difference to be honest, even if he's off he needs to keep his level up to ensure interested parties remain so, especially if he's running down his contract, as his value then is only based on his performance level. Fair point, but he'll also be wary about the consequences of picking up a significant injury in the lead up to any impending deal so, subconsciously at least, he may think twice (more so than usual) about going in for a 50/50 tackle (for example). Fine margins and all that. Probably over-analysis on my part but that hasn't stopped me thinking out loud on an internet football forum before
LeBizzier69 Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 I just wish money was not a factor and we could insist on them seeing out their contracts.....and not let the players have everything their way all the time. "Sorry Nathaniel, we'd like you to stay and enjoy another 38 games (+ cups) for Southampton FC....and frankly don't care what you want."
The9 Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 His head may be already in Manchester. Even if it is, his hairdresser will still be in Southampton until the end of the season, we have the Lovren precedent for that.
The9 Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 I just wish money was not a factor and we could insist on them seeing out their contracts.....and not let the players have everything their way all the time. "Sorry Nathaniel, we'd like you to stay and enjoy another 38 games (+ cups) for Southampton FC....and frankly don't care what you want." Would he have signed for us in the first place if money wasn't a factor?
sotonist Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 It's a troublesome proposition really. Were currently directly in competition with a team that he is likely to want to move to next season. He might want to keep playing well to maintain his suitor's interest and might be thoroughly, but if he's fairly certain that the deal is on, even if only subconsciously he won't want to contribute to their missing out on the best league position they can get. this kind of situation stinks. the last year and a half of a player's contract becomes tainted.
CB Fry Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Always thought he wasn't a stayer Was that from when he left Crystal Palace for lots more money with us?
beatlesaint Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Sounds about par for the course – England debut in autumn, leave the next summer. This all day long. Rooney been chatting away no doubt in the same way Stevie G did for Liverpool last year. Doesnt help that the England manager always talks about his players being at big clubs. Everytime one of ours gets called up I cringe cos you just know what will happen....
Saint-Armstrong Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 He isn't going to stay. Toby isn't going to stay. Morgan isn't going to stay. The sooner we accept it and look forward to the new arrivals, the better.
sotonist Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Was that from when he left Crystal Palace for lots more money with us? tbf he also left for premier league football at a time when palace hadn'd tinished in the top 15 of the championship for 5 years.
sotonist Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 not only bad typing but i should have said top 14. that's my three for the day
Saint Charlie Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 In another thread Unbelievable Jeff said Clyne would sign a new contract because he "seemed honourable". Of course he won't, and its pretty obvious why, anyone in his shoes would do (and be instructed to do) the same.
DT Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Was that from when he left Crystal Palace for lots more money with us? Um. Yes.
beatlesaint Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 He isn't going to stay. Toby isn't going to stay. Morgan isn't going to stay. The sooner we accept it and look forward to the new arrivals, the better. Thats a fair assessment I would say.
Window Cleaner Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 He isn't going to stay. Toby isn't going to stay. Morgan isn't going to stay. The sooner we accept it and look forward to the new arrivals, the better. I shall do that thanks, hopefully we can ease up a bit on the Dutch and Eredivisie strains a bit, don't rate any of them overmuch.
alpine_saint Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Another sh*t summer beckons. No Toby No Clyne No Morgan No J-rod return Maybe we have gone off-the-boil in the last few weeks because our "superstars" are more focused on their big summer pay-days.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Another sh*t summer beckons. No Toby No Clyne No Morgan No J-rod return Maybe we have gone off-the-boil in the last few weeks because our "superstars" are more focused on their big summer pay-days. It's not fun but it is far better than the alternative - to have players no-one else wants and in all likelihood a worse team in a worse league position. This is almost best case scenario!
trousers Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Another sh*t summer beckons. If it's as fruitful as the last "sh*t summer" then bring it on I say...
doddisalegend Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Without stirring a hornets nest, it's debatable whether, in most cases, we've brought in better players. Clyne is a class act and far harder to replace than Lambert, Chambers and Lovren were last season. People said the same about Shaw.
SO16_Saint Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 Sell him. Buy replacement. Improve him and our profit. Repeat.
Saint Charlie Posted 26 February, 2015 Posted 26 February, 2015 (edited) Will happen each year. Will be Wanyama the year after as he won't extend his contract either. Fine, just puts a lot of pressure on the recruitment success. Is a slight shame though that despite how well we are doing we can't get our best players (the ones who have the choice to move to bigger clubs) to sign new contracts here. In two summers we will have lost: Lambert, Lallana, Shaw, Lovren, Chambers, Clyne, Alderweireld, Schneiderlin and possibly Jay Rod. Any club that keeps growing and improving despite that is a miracle worker IMO. Get a few of the signings wrong in key positions and it becomes dodgy. Edited 26 February, 2015 by Saint Charlie
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